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Postby heavycola on Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:21 pm

suggs wrote:
heavycola wrote:for history? pah. Just find the consensus and then argue the opposite.


Bollocks.
In some ways.
On the other hand.
To some extent, I agree.
Thoguh, in summary, the consensual thesis of your consensus post, is
BOLLOCKS.


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Postby reminisco on Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:26 pm

was a History Major in University. dual concentration in Intellectual and American History. with a Film Studies Minor.

now i study the Law. it's an ever on going process. reading some of the most dry stuff ever. gotta know the Rules of Evidence and Criminal Law like it's second nature.

in my free time (surprise!), aside from wasting away on this website, i read an awful lot of True Crime books, History (especially British Military history -- gaining a deeper understanding of my roots), and Crime Fiction.

i can't resist noir or crime films. i go to the cinema a fair amount, and am almost always drawn to the crime pictures first.

par example: i'll be at the new Batman opening night, even though that's not really a crime film, it is.
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Postby suggs on Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:28 pm

Favourite Agatha Christie?
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Postby reminisco on Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:29 pm

oh, and to ahead and explain now, Intellectual History was basically the practical application of Philosophy.

we'd read Hegel, and then talk about how Hitler twisted it in his rhetoric, for example. Why Mein Kampf is the biggest piece of shit dumb book written by a meth-head.

we thoroughly studied all of the primary sources behind the thinking of the American gov't, as well as several other democracies in the world.

so i'm familiar with all of the enlightenment readers, at least as far as they apply to diplomacy, governments, and war.
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Postby reminisco on Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:33 pm

suggs wrote:Favourite Agatha Christie?


no, sorry chum. i hate her. i think she's insipid, obvious, and lame.

i far prefer the writers who give us the dirty world we live in, where the muck and shit and piss of life make solutions not like a puzzle, but more like the human tragedy it always is.

favourite of all time would be Raymond Chandler.

currently i love Dennis Lehane (wrote the novels that Mystic River and Gone Baby Gone were based on, and wrote a few stories/teleplays for The Wire)

also a huge fan of W. Somerset Maugham's spy novel, Ashenden.

and then the usual... Elmore Leonard, Chester Himes, Dashiell Hammet, etc.
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Postby ignotus on Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:37 pm

I was studying history...

Now I'm selling my body every day working as a secretary to get enough money for my PhD! :evil:
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Postby btownmeggy on Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:47 pm

ignotus wrote:I was studying history...

Now I'm selling my body every day working as a secretary to get enough money for my PhD! :evil:


No offense..., but...

You have to pay for it?

:shock:

Why would anyone ever do that?

I don't know anything about the Croatian educational economic racket.

I guess a lot of people maybe look at U.S. Americans going to college/uni and wonder the same thing. My first four years of college cost about... $80,000, not counting the $50,000 of scholarships I received. I'm recouping it by being paid to attend (post)graduate school, though.
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Postby Neoteny on Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:49 pm

btownmeggy wrote:
ignotus wrote:I was studying history...

Now I'm selling my body every day working as a secretary to get enough money for my PhD! :evil:


No offense..., but...

You have to pay for it?

:shock:

Why would anyone ever do that?

I don't know anything about the Croatian educational economic racket.

I guess a lot of people maybe look at U.S. Americans going to college/uni and wonder the same thing. My first four years of college cost about... $80,000, not counting the $50,000 of scholarships I received. I'm recouping it by being paid to attend (post)graduate school, though.


Well... if your grades are shit like mine are, one might not have much of a choice. But then again, I'm not making a value judgement on ignotus. Just saying that it's possible. #-o
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Postby spurgistan on Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:50 pm

International Development.

I'm halfway to graduating, and I still don't know what that means.
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Postby suggs on Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:51 pm

I'm confused. I thougth everyone in the western world had to fund their Phd. In the Arts subjects anyway?
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Postby btownmeggy on Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:51 pm

Neoteny wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:
ignotus wrote:I was studying history...

Now I'm selling my body every day working as a secretary to get enough money for my PhD! :evil:


No offense..., but...

You have to pay for it?

:shock:

Why would anyone ever do that?

I don't know anything about the Croatian educational economic racket.

I guess a lot of people maybe look at U.S. Americans going to college/uni and wonder the same thing. My first four years of college cost about... $80,000, not counting the $50,000 of scholarships I received. I'm recouping it by being paid to attend (post)graduate school, though.


Well... if your grades are shit like mine are, one might not have much of a choice. But then again, I'm not making a value judgement on ignotus. Just saying that it's possible. #-o


What's your GPA? C'mon, you can tell me. I'll tell you mine. Unless yours is a lot lower than mine was, then maybe I'll keep quiet to keep from hurting your feelings.

You're a bio major?
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Postby btownmeggy on Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:54 pm

suggs wrote:I'm confused. I thougth everyone in the western worldhadtofund theirPhd. In the Arts subjects anyway?


No! It's very uncommon in the U.S. In most PhD programs, (in the liberal arts, at least; and engineering; I don't know about Education or Public Policy and the like) students have all their tuition paid and then also receive "stipends" which range from $13,000 to $30,000. Usually you have to teach a couple of introductory undergraduate classes in exchange for this salary, unless you're considered exceptionally brilliant, and then you don't.
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Postby ignotus on Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:58 pm

I studied for free (as most of the students in my generation; the rest payed only about 700 Euros a year). That was one of the best things that came from communism - free education. Now government is cutting their aid to universities you have to pay for everything.

My PhD costs about 10 000 Euros (at my former college) and that is a big sum. As a secretary, working 8 hours a day Monday to Friday, I get payed 620 Euros a month so you figure it out. And student loans are something only people with good jobs can dream about.
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Postby suggs on Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:00 pm

btownmeggy wrote:
suggs wrote:I'm confused. I thougth everyone in the western worldhadtofund theirPhd. In the Arts subjects anyway?


No! It's very uncommon in the U.S. In most PhD programs, (in the liberal arts, at least; and engineering; I don't know about Education or Public Policy and the like) students have all their tuition paid and then also receive "stipends" which range from $13,000 to $30,000. Usually you have to teach a couple of introductory undergraduate classes in exchange for this salary, unless you're considered exceptionally brilliant, and then you don't.


BLOODY HELL! I'm coming over tothe USA then.Pretty sure you have to fund yourown in the UK.
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Postby ignotus on Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:03 pm

suggs wrote:
BLOODY HELL! I'm coming over tothe USA then.Pretty sure you have to fund yourown in the UK.

:shock:
Save me a seat in the plane.
:P


Uncle Sam I'm coming!

EDIT: My GPA average is 4,55 (1 is bad, 5 is awesome). With that average I'm in 10% of the best students (maybe even in 5%) in the last year.
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Postby btownmeggy on Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:06 pm

suggs wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:
suggs wrote:I'm confused. I thougth everyone in the western worldhadtofund theirPhd. In the Arts subjects anyway?


No! It's very uncommon in the U.S. In most PhD programs, (in the liberal arts, at least; and engineering; I don't know about Education or Public Policy and the like) students have all their tuition paid and then also receive "stipends" which range from $13,000 to $30,000. Usually you have to teach a couple of introductory undergraduate classes in exchange for this salary, unless you're considered exceptionally brilliant, and then you don't.


BLOODY HELL! I'm coming over tothe USA then.Pretty sure you have to fund yourown in the UK.


I'm not sure about in UK. I know lots of U.S. Americans who got Masters in UK, and of course they had to pay, but it's not so bad because the cost per year for a Masters is the same as in the US ($30,000ish), but they're generally only 1 year long, while in the US they're two. I think PhD students receive stipends, though. I don't know. Guiscard will tell us.
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Postby Neoteny on Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:07 pm

btownmeggy wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:
ignotus wrote:I was studying history...

Now I'm selling my body every day working as a secretary to get enough money for my PhD! :evil:


No offense..., but...

You have to pay for it?

:shock:

Why would anyone ever do that?

I don't know anything about the Croatian educational economic racket.

I guess a lot of people maybe look at U.S. Americans going to college/uni and wonder the same thing. My first four years of college cost about... $80,000, not counting the $50,000 of scholarships I received. I'm recouping it by being paid to attend (post)graduate school, though.


Well... if your grades are shit like mine are, one might not have much of a choice. But then again, I'm not making a value judgement on ignotus. Just saying that it's possible. #-o


What's your GPA? C'mon, you can tell me. I'll tell you mine. Unless yours is a lot lower than mine was, then maybe I'll keep quiet to keep from hurting your feelings.

You're a bio major?


I'll put it this way, it is higher than half of my GPA in high school...

I am indeed involved the most awesomest major. And yeah, you foreigners are apparently missing out. Our post-secondary education is really one of the better things we have going for us in the US.
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Postby btownmeggy on Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:10 pm

ignotus wrote:
suggs wrote:
BLOODY HELL! I'm coming over tothe USA then.Pretty sure you have to fund yourown in the UK.

:shock:
Save me a seat in the plane.
:P


Uncle Sam I'm coming!


Give it a try. For realz. It's the same deal for "internationals" as for U.S. domestic students. Plus, there's 274 PhD-granting universities in the United States. They all need students. They all need people to teach their 1st year students who Karl Marx was.
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Postby btownmeggy on Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:12 pm

btownmeggy wrote:
ignotus wrote:
suggs wrote:
BLOODY HELL! I'm coming over tothe USA then.Pretty sure you have to fund yourown in the UK.

:shock:
Save me a seat in the plane.
:P


Uncle Sam I'm coming!


Give it a try. For realz. It's the same deal for "internationals" as for U.S. domestic students. Plus, there's 274 PhD-granting universities in the United States. They all need students. They all need people to teach their 1st year students who Karl Marx was.


Oh, but I should say: APPLYING for PhDs in the U.S. costs A LOT of money. Between ordering transcripts, ordering GRE scores, and application fees, my partner and I spent about $4000 applying this year. He applied to 15 schools, and me to 9. That's a lot more than most people do, for sure... but it's expensive, regardless.
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Postby Neoteny on Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:13 pm

btownmeggy wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:
ignotus wrote:
suggs wrote:
BLOODY HELL! I'm coming over tothe USA then.Pretty sure you have to fund yourown in the UK.

:shock:
Save me a seat in the plane.
:P


Uncle Sam I'm coming!


Give it a try. For realz. It's the same deal for "internationals" as for U.S. domestic students. Plus, there's 274 PhD-granting universities in the United States. They all need students. They all need people to teach their 1st year students who Karl Marx was.


Oh, but I should say: APPLYING for PhDs in the U.S. costs A LOT of money. Between ordering transcripts, ordering GRE scores, and application fees, my partner and I spent about $4000 applying this year. He applied to 15 schools, and me to 9. That's a lot more than most people do, for sure... but it's expensive, regardless.


That's true, but it's cheaper than it could be.
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Postby ignotus on Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:15 pm

btownmeggy wrote:
ignotus wrote:
suggs wrote:
BLOODY HELL! I'm coming over tothe USA then.Pretty sure you have to fund yourown in the UK.

:shock:
Save me a seat in the plane.
:P


Uncle Sam I'm coming!


Give it a try. For realz. It's the same deal for "internationals" as for U.S. domestic students. Plus, there's 274 PhD-granting universities in the United States. They all need students. They all need people to teach their 1st year students who Karl Marx was.


Roman Emperor?

j/k


I could try to get a scholarship in the USA... I would probably get it (references, knowledge of the language, GPA...)

But I really want to stay in Croatia (I have my personal reasons). Maybe a month or two in the USA...

Really don't know. :-k
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Postby btownmeggy on Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:24 pm

ignotus wrote:But I really want to stay in Croatia (I have my personal reasons). Maybe a month or two in the USA...


Well, there's the drawback. You have to live in the U.S., instead of your gorgeous homeland filled with people, places, and things you love. And what's more, most universities are located in podunk towns in podunk states (like Neoteny's!).
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Postby Neoteny on Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:25 pm

btownmeggy wrote:
ignotus wrote:But I really want to stay in Croatia (I have my personal reasons). Maybe a month or two in the USA...


Well, there's the drawback. You have to live in the U.S., instead of your gorgeous homeland filled with people, places, and things you love. And what's more, most universities are located in podunk towns in podunk states (like Neoteny's!).


Hey, we are the third largest town in Georgia. Get off my sack. If you wanted to go to grad school in Georgia, you'd want to go to Athens or Atlanta anyhow. I'm hoping to move to Cali for grad school though, if that reveals anything...
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Postby btownmeggy on Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:28 pm

Neoteny wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:
ignotus wrote:But I really want to stay in Croatia (I have my personal reasons). Maybe a month or two in the USA...


Well, there's the drawback. You have to live in the U.S., instead of your gorgeous homeland filled with people, places, and things you love. And what's more, most universities are located in podunk towns in podunk states (like Neoteny's!).


Hey, we are the third largest town in Georgia. Get off my sack. If you wanted to go to grad school in Georgia, you'd want to go to Athens or Atlanta anyhow. I'm hoping to move to Cali for grad school though, if that reveals anything...


I've heard back from everywhere I applied last fall. It's now official that I will be doing my PhD in a kinda-charming-little-podunk town in the OLD SOUTH. But not in Georgia.
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Postby ignotus on Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:29 pm

I would like to do some research while I'm in the USA. Probably when I get my PhD.

I would like to come and see Washington DC (mostly museums, libraries and archives) and New York (museums, Broadway, Ellis Island, et cetera). :wink:
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