Obama is a JOKE!!!!!..not to say that Hillary isn't

[browng-08]

But what about his Straight Talk Express?

[jsmith72]

thats a nice find...lol i like that

[DaGip]

DaGip, I don't understand you at all.

You have a thread posting a bunch of videos bashing McCain, the links being long rants about how crazy he is, and how we shouldn't vote for him.

I pretty much agree with that, OK.

Now you say you're still considering him?

I think you're the crazy one. How could you possibly consider voting for someone you believe to be mentally incapable of office? Do you have that low an opinion of Obama and/or Hillary?

The thing is that I want to stay loyal to my party (Republican), right now I am leaning towards Obama and away from McCain, but only time will tell. My decision is not concrete, McCain could change my mind, i could admit that I have been totally wrong. I would write in Ron Paul but then that would be wasting my vote, now wouldn't it? For the Republican ticket, I will write in Ron Paul, but for the Presidential election I am considering Obama more than McCain. I would have to weigh it all out at the time of the election, go over all the information that I can gather about each candidate and vote accordingly. Don't want you to think I am crazy, I am just laying out a game plan for myself. McCain with Romney, no way in hell would I vote for that! McCain with Ron Paul, hell yes I would vote for that, but it will never happen as they both hate each other. McCain with Huckabee, that is a possible consideration. My biggest issue is party loyalty. Do I just vote Republican because I am registered as a Republican? I never thought that way before, I always vote for who I think will do the best job. Right now, I am thinking Obama. McCain has some strikes against him in my book. Please don't think I am crazy (not that I really give a shit anyway).

[browng-08]

By the way, jsmith, I think you fucked up your sig image. There's just a link instead of the intended image.

[InkL0sed]

Party loyalty is stupid, and kills the system. Go with who you think will do the best job.

[static_ice]

Obama wants change, not opposite day.

[SolidLuigi]

He is a very liberal Republican, plus he is a war hero.

that's up for question too:
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/ first video on page

questionable navy career: http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmc ... nfit_2.htm



The second video on the page backs up the claims in the first video on how he was one of the biggest stone-wallers on releasing the files on POW/MIA's to family members.

*another interesting note, the article about his navy career, they mention he was known for his flings with women and what not. A recent article just surfaced, I'm not claiming it's true or not, but it seems to follow the trend outlined in the other article: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/po ... ref=slogin

Also, I'm a independent, though I lean a little more Republican/Conservative, and so far I'm going for Obama

[DaGip]

He is a very liberal Republican, plus he is a war hero.

that's up for question too:
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/ first video on page

questionable navy career: http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmc ... nfit_2.htm



The second video on the page backs up the claims in the first video on how he was one of the biggest stone-wallers on releasing the files on POW/MIA's to family members.

*another interesting note, the article about his navy career, they mention he was known for his flings with women and what not. A recent article just surfaced, I'm not claiming it's true or not, but it seems to follow the trend outlined in the other article: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/po ... ref=slogin

Also, I'm a independent, though I lean a little more Republican/Conservative, and so far I'm going for Obama

My dad was supposed to be on the Forestal that day, but instead he was assigned to the USS Roosevelt! My dad still talks about that.

McCain served the UnitedStates and was tortured by the enemy, so regardless of the many things being said about the man, I still think he deserves war hero status. But just because you are a war hero doesn't mean that you are qualified to be President of the most powerful nation on the face of the earth. McCain lacks charisma. He says "Uh..." and "Umm.." between every other word and phrase. He is always looking like he is reading off a teleprompter (is he?). Then like during the MIA/POW hearing, he just gets all huffy and lashes out at the woman who is trying to make her point, and then he acts like a little kid who ain't getting his way, and storms out of the room. Real mature there, Crazy John! Yeah, I am leaning way over to the Obama camp right now.

McCain wants to fight in the Middle East for the next 100 years! Does anybody even give a shit about that! Why in the fucck do we want to stay in the Middle East for the next 100 years? I just don't get the mentality. Our troops had a strong showing of support for Ron Paul, why didn't the rest of America listen? The soldiers' overall morale has been depreciating for some time over this whole excursion. McCain would have to install the draft to keep fighting over there. Just my opinion.

[SolidLuigi]

McCain served the UnitedStates and was tortured by the enemy, so regardless of the many things being said about the man, I still think he deserves war hero status. But just because you are a war hero doesn't mean that you are qualified to be President of the most powerful nation on the face of the earth.

Yeah, I didn't mean to come off questioning his POW status, I was just passing this info of what other vets know and think of him. The 2 guys in that first video(don't feel like looking up their names at the moment) said it nicely. They said that they aren't questioning what he did while he was a prisoner, cause you gotta do what you gotta do to survive, and no one has the right to bust his balls on that. But the fact that he's fighting to keep the files and reports classified because they would tell what he divulged and some people might question him for that kind of tears a hole in his straight-talk campaign.

[ritz627]

I know this is from a tad earlier...but whatever...

OBAMA having more knowledge than McCain..lol...what a joke...hes a lonley little chicago senator that has no idea what washington is about and if he does get ill be laughing on his first day when he gets there and says...What do I do Now!!...good luck figuring your party out but in the meantime McCain is gathering information on both and is ready to knock either one of them back to here they belong...A SENATOR...not the PRESIDENT!!!!

McCain's a f*cking senator too (of Arizona, in case you didn't know), to begin. And Obama's not the senator of a city, senators are for the entire state, so I hope that you are not implying that he is the senator of only Chicago.

Now, do you have any idea about politics? Judging by your writing, I would say you are about 13 or 14 years old - which further proves that you have no idea what the heck you are writing about. And I honestly have heard nothing sensible come out of your posts. So, I find it laughable that someone who has little sense of government and politics is criticizing the sense of politics of someone who majored in the study of it (law from Harvard), and has been active in the field.

I do not question the political knowledge of McCain, although I stopped liking he when he suddenly switched his stance on the Iraq War. I feel that he is tailoring his beliefs too much to become a Republican president, but that is just me, I can see where people like him however.

[C4]

Obama is what this country needs. There's too much money running the politics now and looks like he would be the right person to clean up Washington.

Agreed. I think Hillary Clinton used to be like this but 17 years of politics has changed her.

[mandalorian2298]

personally, I think it is disgusting that IF and when Obama becomes the next president ( God I hope not) that he will never even swear in on the Holy Bible......

OMG! A rational person could become the president of USA?! Surely such travesty will never take place.

[0ojakeo0]

i assumed this was a conspiracy thread

[jsmith72]

I know this is from a tad earlier...but whatever...

OBAMA having more knowledge than McCain..lol...what a joke...hes a lonley little chicago senator that has no idea what washington is about and if he does get ill be laughing on his first day when he gets there and says...What do I do Now!!...good luck figuring your party out but in the meantime McCain is gathering information on both and is ready to knock either one of them back to here they belong...A SENATOR...not the PRESIDENT!!!!

McCain's a f*cking senator too (of Arizona, in case you didn't know), to begin. And Obama's not the senator of a city, senators are for the entire state, so I hope that you are not implying that he is the senator of only Chicago.

Now, do you have any idea about politics? Judging by your writing, I would say you are about 13 or 14 years old - which further proves that you have no idea what the heck you are writing about. And I honestly have heard nothing sensible come out of your posts. So, I find it laughable that someone who has little sense of government and politics is criticizing the sense of politics of someone who majored in the study of it (law from Harvard), and has been active in the field.

I do not question the political knowledge of McCain, although I stopped liking he when he suddenly switched his stance on the Iraq War. I feel that he is tailoring his beliefs too much to become a Republican president, but that is just me, I can see where people like him however.

I know mcCain is a senator...this article is nopt about republicans is it..lol. this is about the democratic party. and by the way clinton and obama also switched their stances on the war too...nobodys perfect buddy..get some facts before you talk..lol...oh well i just hope that whoever gets the presidency they will lead america the way it is supposed to be led...to the benefit of AMERICANS

[unriggable]

Really good article here.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/ ... /36/458633

Clinton's Successes:
S.694 : A bill to direct the Secretary of Transportation to issue regulations to reduce the incidence of child injury and death occurring inside or outside of light motor vehicles, and for other purposes. (This is currently in conference committee to reconcile difference with the House bill)
Passed in the Senate:
S.CON.RES.27 : A concurrent resolution supporting the goals and ideals of "National Purple Heart Recognition Day".
S.RES.21 : A resolution recognizing the uncommon valor of Wesley Autrey of New York, New York
S.RES.92 : A resolution calling for the immediate and unconditional release of soldiers of Israel held captive by Hamas and Hezbollah.
S.RES.141 : A resolution urging all member countries of the International Commission of the International Tracing Service who have yet to ratify the May 2006 amendments to the 1955 Bonn Accords to expedite the ratification process to allow for open access to the Holocaust archives located at Bad Arolsen, Germany.
S.RES.222 : A resolution supporting the goals and ideals of Pancreatic Cancer Awareness Month.
S.AMDT.666 to H.R.1591 To link award fees under Department of Homeland Security contracts to successful acquisition outcomes under such contracts.
S.AMDT.2047 to H.R.1585 To specify additional individuals eligible to transportation for survivors of deceased members of the Armed Forces to attend their burial ceremonies.
S.AMDT.2108 to H.R.1585 To require a report on the planning and implementation of the policy of the United States toward Darfur.
S.AMDT.2390 to H.R.2638 To require that all contracts of the Department of Homeland Security that provide award fees link such fees to successful acquisition outcomes.
S.AMDT.2474 to H.R.2638 To ensure that the Federal Protective Service has adequate personnel.
S.AMDT.2823 to H.R.3074 To require a report on plans to alleviate congestion and flight delays in the New York/New Jersey/Philadelphia Airspace.
S.AMDT.2917 to H.R.1585 To extend and enhance the authority for temporary lodging expenses for members of the Armed Forces in areas subject to a major disaster declaration or for installations experiencing a sudden increase in personnel levels.

Obama's Success:
S.AMDT.1041 to S.1082 To improve the safety and efficacy of genetic tests.
S.AMDT.3073 to H.R.1585 To provide for transparency and accountability in military and security contracting.
S.AMDT.3078 to H.R.1585 Relating to administrative separations of members of the Armed Forces for personality disorder.
S.AMDT.41 to S.1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.
S.AMDT.524 to S.CON.RES.21 To provide $100 million for the Summer Term Education Program supporting summer learning opportunities for low-income students in the early grades to lessen summer learning losses that contribute to the achievement gaps separating low-income students from their middle-class peers.
S.AMDT.599 to S.CON.RES.21 To add $200 million for Function 270 (Energy) for the demonstration and monitoring of carbon capture and sequestration technology by the Department of Energy.
S.AMDT.905 to S.761 To require the Director of Mathematics, Science, and Engineering Education to establish a program to recruit and provide mentors for women and underrepresented minorities who are interested in careers in mathematics, science, and engineering.
S.AMDT.923 to S.761 To expand the pipeline of individuals entering the science, technology, engineering, and mathematics fields to support United States innovation and competitiveness.
S.AMDT.924 to S.761 To establish summer term education programs.
S.AMDT.2519 to H.R.2638 To provide that one of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5 million or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee certifies in writing to the agency awarding the contract or grant that the contractor or grantee owes no past due Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.2588 to H.R.976 To provide certain employment protections for family members who are caring for members of the Armed Forces recovering from illnesses and injuries incurred on active duty.
S.AMDT.2658 to H.R.2642 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.2692 to H.R.2764 To require a comprehensive nuclear threat reduction and security plan.
S.AMDT.2799 to H.R.3074 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.3137 to H.R.3222 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.3234 to H.R.3093 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.3331 to H.R.3043 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
Senate Resolutions Passed:
S.RES.133 : A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.
S.RES.268 : A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day".

[Snorri1234]

I know mcCain is a senator

You obviously don't, as you pointed out Obama wasn't as knowledgable as McCain because Obama is just a senator.....

...this article is nopt about republicans is it..

Funny how threads about democratic candidates always turn into pro-republican jerk-fests.

[Napoleon Ier]

Can anone actually compose a list of concrete policies put forward by dear old Barack and tell me why any of them will be beneficial?

[Grooveman2007]

I think I'd like Obama, except I have no idea what he's for (besides change). If someone would be kind enough to send me something about Obama's policies, it would be much appreciated .

[lokisgal]

you all seem to be so good with coming up with dirt cant you do your own research on finding concrete info on Obama - or is it just easier to listen to the bs you get fed by others

[Snorri1234]

Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief

Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.

* Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.
* Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.

[ritz627]

I know this is from a tad earlier...but whatever...

OBAMA having more knowledge than McCain..lol...what a joke...hes a lonley little chicago senator that has no idea what washington is about and if he does get ill be laughing on his first day when he gets there and says...What do I do Now!!...good luck figuring your party out but in the meantime McCain is gathering information on both and is ready to knock either one of them back to here they belong...A SENATOR...not the PRESIDENT!!!!

McCain's a f*cking senator too (of Arizona, in case you didn't know), to begin. And Obama's not the senator of a city, senators are for the entire state, so I hope that you are not implying that he is the senator of only Chicago.

Now, do you have any idea about politics? Judging by your writing, I would say you are about 13 or 14 years old - which further proves that you have no idea what the heck you are writing about. And I honestly have heard nothing sensible come out of your posts. So, I find it laughable that someone who has little sense of government and politics is criticizing the sense of politics of someone who majored in the study of it (law from Harvard), and has been active in the field.

I do not question the political knowledge of McCain, although I stopped liking he when he suddenly switched his stance on the Iraq War. I feel that he is tailoring his beliefs too much to become a Republican president, but that is just me, I can see where people like him however.

I know mcCain is a senator...this article is nopt about republicans is it..lol. this is about the democratic party. and by the way clinton and obama also switched their stances on the war too...nobodys perfect buddy..get some facts before you talk..lol...oh well i just hope that whoever gets the presidency they will lead america the way it is supposed to be led...to the benefit of AMERICANS

I like how you didn't even address my point that you have no political knowledge whatsoever. That being said, I think its funny that you try, pathetically, to insult my political intelligence.

Please stop using "lol" after every... well "...", its difficult to tell where the sentences end and the next ones begin.

Clearly, you are a naive (most likely arrogant) teenager who believes everything they read. I can assure you that Obama will lead to the benefit of Americans, he was born in America, and has been an American citizen all his life. To even suggest otherwise is frankly, insane. And would it be so bad that he helped out the people of the region of Darfur and Uganda, and other regions, and actually gave Africa some political attention? I honestly don't think so.

[SolidLuigi]

Obama origanally voted NO NO NO NO NO on Iraq...then in the blink of an eye he voted two times YES and YES supporting an additional surge and reinforcements to be sent (along with most of the party) and then went back to NO NO NO NO NO.. he was NO then YES then NO again...a classic fip-flop

You aren't looking at the whole picture here, or from a rational viewpoint. He originally voted NO on the Iraq war because he didn't agree with it. Now years later, not the blink of an eye, the proposed surge comes up. We are neck-deep in the war and it's shitty with the civil war going on over there. Looking at that situation, he could vote no for the surge to try to prove a point, but the best course of action at this point is to send the surge to get control of the mayhem since we are already there. He's a smart man, and put his pride aside and voted yes on the surge because it was in the best interest of the safety of our troops and Iraqi civilians over there. My buddy is a reservist who is part of that surge, he's over there now, he says that officers stationed there say its so much better there now than before the surge, and recent news that has come out because it's been 1 year since the surge backs that up.

In short:

Obama voted NO on the original vote to go to war

Obama voted YES for the troop surge. This is not flip-flopping, flip-flopping entails making 2 different decisions on the same subject. These aren't the same subject

Subject 1: Should we end our time of peace, invade a country on claims of WMD's and depose it's leader, setting up permanent bases?

Subject 2: We are already in a war, and it is getting out of control. Should we send a surge of troops to pacify the unrest and hopefully lessen the amount of American troop and Iraqi civilian deaths?

Without looking at all the facts and just hearing that he voted "no" then "yes" might make someone assume he is flip-flopping, but that is irresponsible and we all know what happens when you assume...

[Hologram]

... Obama's got a ton more sense than McCain, is a ton more intellectual, is not a racist, is quite a bit younger, and is a strong symbol for change of which our country sorely needs right now.

... Hey DaGip, I don't want to get on a negative track with you here, cause' I like Obama, but I have to know on what you are basing your assessments of John McCain, as "non-intellectual, and a racist" (can't argue the age point, obviously).

...

I said I believed Obama to be more intellectual, not that McCain is non-intellectual, and McCain being a racist, read this aritcle of which you have heard nothing about:

McCain hates GOOKS!

I do want to mention that I think McCain is a bit off his rocker, and is not mentally fit for office. I haven't ruled him out, but I am leaning more towards Obama.

I wouldn't rule him out because of the race thing. Hell, if I was captured by the Vietnamese (or more likely, Arabian terrorists as I'm going in the Corps. Semper Fi!) I would hold quite a bit of resentment against the race as whole, however unintentional. The thing is, I doubt McCain would act on it in office. I don't think I've made up my mind between Obama and McCain yet, but this racist thing doesn't make me look down on the latter.

However, if someone does want to show me a bit where McCain has actually voted as a Senator for some sort of racial policy against Asians, that would affect my vote quite a bit, what with racial bigotry being absolutely disgusting in my point of view.

[suggs]

I just hope who ever wins, that they swear their oath on a copy of Sports Illustrated (swimsuit ed.).

Thanks to Josh Lyman for pointing out that would be completely constitutional.
I can't remember the joker who started this thread-but mate, if you want tradition and arbitrary, unjust, outdated, anachronistic, meaningless conventions that stifle freedom, COME TO THE UK!
You're in the wrong country to moan about tradition-the US has always been about progress, liberty, freedom etc-and abolitoning corrupt tyrnannies and traditions.

God Save the King.

[Snorri1234]

I just hope who ever wins, that they swear their oath on a copy of Sports Illustrated (swimsuit ed.).

That would be so awesome.



But really, can't the just swear their oath on the book of the law or something?