wow that's unfair!

[suggs]

For a start, no one is under attack.
Secondly, in the UK we've had a white police force for 150 years-its called the Metropolitan Police.
Sure, I'm exaggerating, but the vast majority of the UK is run by whites, for whites-or rather, with no positive discrimination in favour of blacks, at any rate.
You live in London, right? Which has the highest mix of different races in Europe. But you get beaten up, or mugged, it could be either a black copper or a white copper who saves your bacon.
They dont (for the vast majority) of them ask what colur is he.
Anyway, the real problem in Britain is still old-fashioned racism (cant remember many black Prime Ministers or England football managers, can you.
Yes, there are complex issues surrounding immigration.
But statistically, the richest people in England are still white...

yes the vast majority of the uk is run by whites because the natural skin pigment in the uk is white

i have nothing against black cops or white cops they are just doing their job (what i was talking about is that black people can have their groups while white people cant without it being called discrimination, and i might not be physically assaulted but just the other day i got called a honky i cud not say anything back over them threatening to say it's racism and im discriminating them and i have nothing against black people there are alot of black people who play for arsenal and i dont have anything against them (and the majority of people [at the moment i say] is white thats why there is a more greater chance of a white person getting chose for priminister or manager)

Your argument is completly logical (unlike your spelling, which is just insane). However, democracy is not based on logic, since very few people are capable of logical thought. Democracy is based on giving the mayority a few slogans to choose among, since the mayority is made from people who prefer repeating slogans to thinking.

For example, your argument will probably be interpreted as racistic by the Mods, so they will warn you and lock this thread. If you continue to think outside the box, they will perma-ban you from the Forum. It's not their fault of course, since their conformism will be defined as either disability (poor sick people ) or result of social pressue (poor oppressed people ). Either way, there is no way that they are responsible for their actions. Norse is the only man alive who is responsible for his actions.

Utter balls, masquarading as intelligent, anarchical, "thought.
Racism is entirely illogical.
And democracy is the most logical system any one has ever come up with.
One person, one vote-its pure logic.

[Snorri1234]

When a whitey calls a black guy the 'n-word' it makes the news yet a black person can say 'f*ck you, cracker or honky' and no one cares.

Because cracker and honky aren't offensive to anyone. The difference between the two is that the n-word has been used as a put-down in all those centuries.

I've watched Black Panthers march down Forbes avenue calling for solidarity of the black race and it was perceived as a positive thing by the community, yet you get a few Aryans together for a march and it's picketed by every race and they need police protection just to make it 3 blocks.

Because Black Panthers generally aren't talking about killing or driving off all "whities"?

Emerika sure has done a fine job of making different groups resent each other; whether it be skin color, religion, socio-economic status or even education level, you are pretty much forced to choose a side here.

Yeah that is one of the biggest problems, I agree. Racism has leaked to both the sides of any argument which makes everything more divided. Black people hate white people because they're feeling oppressed, and more white people start hating black people because they think they're overreacting, which then increases the hate of the black people and so on and so on.

[viperbitex]

I would just like to point out that a black man could vote before a white woman could.

[suggs]

Slavery.

[unriggable]

I would just like to point out that a black man could vote before a white woman could.

They were also allowed to be enslaved before women, but that's a different story.

[Snorri1234]

I would just like to point out that a black man could vote before a white woman could.

Yeah, that's actually quite horrible.


Why did we ever allow women to vote?

[mandalorian2298]

For a start, no one is under attack.
Secondly, in the UK we've had a white police force for 150 years-its called the Metropolitan Police.
Sure, I'm exaggerating, but the vast majority of the UK is run by whites, for whites-or rather, with no positive discrimination in favour of blacks, at any rate.
You live in London, right? Which has the highest mix of different races in Europe. But you get beaten up, or mugged, it could be either a black copper or a white copper who saves your bacon.
They dont (for the vast majority) of them ask what colur is he.
Anyway, the real problem in Britain is still old-fashioned racism (cant remember many black Prime Ministers or England football managers, can you.
Yes, there are complex issues surrounding immigration.
But statistically, the richest people in England are still white...

yes the vast majority of the uk is run by whites because the natural skin pigment in the uk is white

i have nothing against black cops or white cops they are just doing their job (what i was talking about is that black people can have their groups while white people cant without it being called discrimination, and i might not be physically assaulted but just the other day i got called a honky i cud not say anything back over them threatening to say it's racism and im discriminating them and i have nothing against black people there are alot of black people who play for arsenal and i dont have anything against them (and the majority of people [at the moment i say] is white thats why there is a more greater chance of a white person getting chose for priminister or manager)

Your argument is completly logical (unlike your spelling, which is just insane). However, democracy is not based on logic, since very few people are capable of logical thought. Democracy is based on giving the mayority a few slogans to choose among, since the mayority is made from people who prefer repeating slogans to thinking.

For example, your argument will probably be interpreted as racistic by the Mods, so they will warn you and lock this thread. If you continue to think outside the box, they will perma-ban you from the Forum. It's not their fault of course, since their conformism will be defined as either disability (poor sick people ) or result of social pressue (poor oppressed people ). Either way, there is no way that they are responsible for their actions. Norse is the only man alive who is responsible for his actions.

Utter balls, masquarading as intelligent, anarchical, "thought.
Racism is entirely illogical.
And democracy is the most logical system any one has ever come up with.
One person, one vote-its pure logic.

You don't think that allowing a "black police" and condemning efforts to form a "white police" is racism?

Democracy is based on the belief that all people become equaly intelligent when they turn 18. Also, at that same time, they all get a diploma in Economics, Politics, Law and Ethics. This makes all of their views on said subjects equaly worth, so they each get one vote in the elections.
If this is the "most logical system" that human race has to offer after a million years od existance, I propose euthanasion of the sociaty as a concept.

[unriggable]

Democracy is the shittiest system ever. One should have to take a test before being able to vote, because a lot of people vote for the guy they like the most (not in a political sense, but in a friendly sense).

[Snorri1234]

"Well I don't know nuthing about their policies, but that Bush guy seems a nice enough fellow, I'd drink a beer with him."

[suggs]

But the alternative is to say "Shut up, I dont think you're intelligent enough to vote", and NO ONE has the right to say that, as all humans are fallible.
Democracy is the most equitable system yet devised.

[unriggable]

But the alternative is to say "Shut up, I dont think you're intelligent enough to vote", and NO ONE has the right to say that, as all humans are fallible.

We currently have the right to say "Shut up, I don't think you're intelligent enough to become a US citizen." so its not a big leap.

[Quinton]

I would just like to point out that a black man could vote before a white woman could.

Yeah man, and since we have had 2 wars n 2 nuclear bombings.

[bedub1]

Affirmative Action is racism.

[spurgistan]

I would just like to point out that a black man could vote before a white woman could.

Yeah man, and since we have had 2 wars n 2 nuclear bombings.

So, are black men or white women responsible for the two World Wars (the 2 wars I believe you refer to) and the 2 nuclear bombings? Clarify, please. I personally blame the Chinese. Crafty bastards.

I feel that in comparing the woes black men and white women have put up with over the milennia, we forget about black women (so do black men...
hur hur hur) So, props to black women for putting up with slavery and then not having the vote for 50 years after their male racial counterparts. So, props.

[suggs]

Affirmative Action is racism.

You are quite right. But its one of those odd cases where an"ism" actually brings more good than harm, so on utilitarian grounds, it's still cool.

And it's fighting against a much more prevalent and endemic racism, ie white men still rule most of the world. So i think a bit of racism the other way round is probably fair enough for the next hundred years or so.

[Quinton]

So, are black men or white women responsible for the two World Wars (the 2 wars I believe you refer to) and the 2 nuclear bombings? Clarify, please.

No...it is just one big coincidence..

I personally blame the Chinese. Crafty bastards.

Not a bad shout.

So.... black women ...(blah blah blah)...props.

Thats a bit too far.you shouldnt be so sexually minded.

[Snorri1234]

But the alternative is to say "Shut up, I dont think you're intelligent enough to vote", and NO ONE has the right to say that, as all humans are fallible.
Democracy is the most equitable system yet devised.

Yes. I believe it was Churchill who said: "Democracy is the worst political system ever, except for all the others that have been tried."

Democracy is the best we got.

[Quinton]

But the alternative is to say "Shut up, I dont think you're intelligent enough to vote", and NO ONE has the right to say that, as all humans are fallible.
Democracy is the most equitable system yet devised.

Yes. I believe it was Churchill who said: "Democracy is the worst political system ever, except for all the others that have been tried."

.

Well...If some fat, clincally insane alcoholic said it, then who am i to disagree.

[suggs]

Good old Winston. What a genius the man was

"I am a child of the House of Commons. I was brought up in my father's house to believe in democracy. 'Trust the people'—that was his message....I owe my advancement entirely to the House of Commons, whose servant I am. In my country, as in yours, public men are proud to be the servants of the State and would be ashamed to be its masters. Therefore I have been in full harmony all my life with the tides which have flowed on both sides of the Atlantic against privilege and monopoly....By the way, I cannot help reflecting that if my father had been American and my mother British, instead of the other way around, I might have got here on my own!"

—First of three speeches to a Joint Session of the States Congress, after Pearl Harbor, delivered 26 December 1941. (The others occurred in 1943 and 1952.)

[Snorri1234]

But the alternative is to say "Shut up, I dont think you're intelligent enough to vote", and NO ONE has the right to say that, as all humans are fallible.
Democracy is the most equitable system yet devised.

Yes. I believe it was Churchill who said: "Democracy is the worst political system ever, except for all the others that have been tried."

.

Well...If some fat, clincally insane alcoholic said it, then who am i to disagree.

You mean: fat alcoholic who was one of the best politicians ever? (Though I admit that doesn't mean he wasn't insane...)

[Napoleon Ier]

But the alternative is to say "Shut up, I dont think you're intelligent enough to vote", and NO ONE has the right to say that, as all humans are fallible.
Democracy is the most equitable system yet devised.

Yes. I believe it was Churchill who said: "Democracy is the worst political system ever, except for all the others that have been tried."

.

Well...If some fat, clincally insane alcoholic said it, then who am i to disagree.

You mean: fat alcoholic who was one of the best politicians ever? (Though I admit that doesn't mean he wasn't insane...)

True, but we must limit the extent to which majorities force themselves on minorities via greater degrees of libertarianism.

[got tonkaed]

libertaranism is useless in terms of trying to develop social policy, as by its own definition it tries to orient the individual purely on self interest, instead of within a larger social context.

[Napoleon Ier]

libertaranism is useless in terms of trying to develop social policy, as by its own definition it tries to orient the individual purely on self interest, instead of within a larger social context.

John Forbes Fucking Nash.

Also, why impose "societal progress" on individuals? Freedom is the natural state of man, not being forced toward an arbitrary destiny he did not choose.

[got tonkaed]

libertaranism is useless in terms of trying to develop social policy, as by its own definition it tries to orient the individual purely on self interest, instead of within a larger social context.

John Forbes Fucking Nash.

Also, why impose "societal progress" on individuals? Freedom is the natural state of man, not being forced toward an arbitrary destiny he did not choose.

you basically suggested that we should do such a thing in the other thread.

and though its tangential, that next sentence clearly flies in the face of the majority of evidence of human history. If man has a natural state, it sure seems like it hasnt been freedom for most of his history.

There are also some interesting religious implications of that second sentence that i dont think you have considered or would agree are true.

[Napoleon Ier]

libertaranism is useless in terms of trying to develop social policy, as by its own definition it tries to orient the individual purely on self interest, instead of within a larger social context.

John Forbes Fucking Nash.

Also, why impose "societal progress" on individuals?

you basically suggested that we should do such a thing in the other thread.

Where? You fascist.