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[2dimes]

Is it true the Moonies own Enteman's (sp?). You know, the snack cake and danish making company?

I had heard the owned Palmolive and there was a picture of the moon on some tooth paste tubes that were made by them. Either crest or colgate I forget which one.

That was part of the percieved evidence the person that told me used as proof.

[static_ice]

That isn't actually what I meant. I'm not saying it would have to alter your perception of what God is, rather it would have to force you to re-evaluate calling something quantifiable "God."

Now I'm more confused. You mean it would be comparable to worshiping... oh, say, the sun?

[Frigidus]

That isn't actually what I meant. I'm not saying it would have to alter your perception of what God is, rather it would have to force you to re-evaluate calling something quantifiable "God."

Now I'm more confused. You mean it would be comparable to worshiping... oh, say, the sun?

Yes. The Sun of God.

[static_ice]

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[static_ice]

Is it true the Moonies own Enteman's (sp?). You know, the snack cake and danish making company?

I had heard the owned Palmolive and there was a picture of the moon on some tooth paste tubes that were made by them. Either crest or colgate I forget which one.

That was part of the percieved evidence the person that told me used as proof.

I haven't heard of us owning either of these, but if we do own them its not owned by all of us or I'd be getting shares.

But the organization does own the New Yorker Building.

[static_ice]

That isn't actually what I meant. I'm not saying it would have to alter your perception of what God is, rather it would have to force you to re-evaluate calling something quantifiable "God."

Now I'm more confused. You mean it would be comparable to worshiping... oh, say, the sun?

Yes. The Sun of God.

Very funny but the son of god (either one ) isn't worshiped as a God (or shouldn't be IMO).

[bloknayrb]

That isn't actually what I meant. I'm not saying it would have to alter your perception of what God is, rather it would have to force you to re-evaluate calling something quantifiable "God."

Now I'm more confused. You mean it would be comparable to worshiping... oh, say, the sun?

Yes. Do you know of any present-day religions that involve direct sun-worship? People worshipped the sun because they didn't understand what it was, they only knew that it gave life to everything that they knew of. To them, it seemed like a god. Now that we know what it is, I wouldn't say that it would make sense to worship it. Would you?

[2dimes]

Do you know of any present-day religions that involve direct sun-worship?

The solar temple.

[bloknayrb]

Do you know of any present-day religions that involve direct sun-worship?

The solar temple.

Never heard of it...

[spurgistan]

Is it true the Moonies own Enteman's (sp?). You know, the snack cake and danish making company?

I had heard the owned Palmolive and there was a picture of the moon on some tooth paste tubes that were made by them. Either crest or colgate I forget which one.

That was part of the percieved evidence the person that told me used as proof.

I haven't heard of us owning either of these, but if we do own them its not owned by all of us or I'd be getting shares.

But the organization does own the New Yorker Building.

Not to say that all "Moonies" get shares from this, but if you get the Washington Times, that is a newspaper directly owned by the Rev. Moon, and perceived as the media arm of the church. Honestly, I don't know much about the church, but that is one bad newspaper. They even have a section called "the Fishwrap". Can't fault 'em for hubris, there.

[static_ice]

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[static_ice]

That isn't actually what I meant. I'm not saying it would have to alter your perception of what God is, rather it would have to force you to re-evaluate calling something quantifiable "God."

Now I'm more confused. You mean it would be comparable to worshiping... oh, say, the sun?

Yes. Do you know of any present-day religions that involve direct sun-worship? People worshipped the sun because they didn't understand what it was, they only knew that it gave life to everything that they knew of. To them, it seemed like a god. Now that we know what it is, I wouldn't say that it would make sense to worship it. Would you?

No I don't, but first of all I don't think we know everything about energy atm... and whether or not energy is a divine being, it does run the universe, does it not? Sure, the sun provides life, but there would be no sun without basic energy, along with all the depths of the universe. We could sustain life for a little bit if the sun suddenly stopped giving light one day. But without energy, life would be inconceivable.

And second of all, in our religion's mandatory "utopia world", we wouldn't need to worship God. We wouldn't need to get up early on Sundays and do our thang. The point is a constant relationship with God throughout the entire week. I think we'd think of God more as a father than as an almighty smite-happy divine being.

[static_ice]

Oh, and in my conversation with 2dimes I was reminded of something. We don't believe that Jesus was meant to die on the cross. We believe he was supposed to save the world and unfortunately he failed.

Because of this we believe the Cross is actually painful to Jesus. It reminds him of the most spiritual pain he'd ever felt. We encourage all the christian groups associated with us to switch their Crosses with Crowns (usually in the form of pins). Don't ask me why they picked Crowns.

[Frigidus]

Oh, and in my conversation with 2dimes I was reminded of something. We don't believe that Jesus was meant to die on the cross. We believe he was supposed to save the world and unfortunately he failed.

Because of this we believe the Cross is actually painful to Jesus. It reminds him of the most spiritual pain he'd ever felt. We encourage all the christian groups associated with us to switch their Crosses with Crowns (usually in the form of pins). Don't ask me why they picked Crowns.

My guess would be because the crown of thorns is also associated with the crucifixion, but more reverent and less painful. Just a shot in the dark though, and since I've never read the Bible I'm probably wrong.

[2dimes]

The crown thing I would suspect to be more of a "King of kings" reference.

Good call on this.

we wouldn't need to worship God. We wouldn't need to get up early on Sundays and do our thang. The point is a constant relationship with God throughout the entire week. I think we'd think of God more as a father than as an almighty smite-happy divine being.

I agree, and think we should be more like that now.

[bloknayrb]

That isn't actually what I meant. I'm not saying it would have to alter your perception of what God is, rather it would have to force you to re-evaluate calling something quantifiable "God."

Now I'm more confused. You mean it would be comparable to worshiping... oh, say, the sun?

Yes. Do you know of any present-day religions that involve direct sun-worship? People worshipped the sun because they didn't understand what it was, they only knew that it gave life to everything that they knew of. To them, it seemed like a god. Now that we know what it is, I wouldn't say that it would make sense to worship it. Would you?

No I don't, but first of all I don't think we know everything about energy atm... and whether or not energy is a divine being, it does run the universe, does it not? Sure, the sun provides life, but there would be no sun without basic energy, along with all the depths of the universe. We could sustain life for a little bit if the sun suddenly stopped giving light one day. But without energy, life would be inconceivable.

And second of all, in our religion's mandatory "utopia world", we wouldn't need to worship God. We wouldn't need to get up early on Sundays and do our thang. The point is a constant relationship with God throughout the entire week. I think we'd think of God more as a father than as an almighty smite-happy divine being.

I'm not a christian, so I don't do the sunday thing... with me it is all week. Also, you could argue that life is inconceivable without water or gravity, or air... that doesn't make them things worth worshipping.