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Postby Coleman on Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:23 am

I knew this ages ago and I'm going to be voting for him in the primaries when they hit my state if he is still in.

I should have a Ph.D., I'm as smart as that guy apparently.

I think all of you are going to be surprised if you still don't believe this could happen.
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Postby Norse on Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:43 pm

I think choosing january the 3rd as a polling date would be a strategically good move for cynical-minded parties to gather their potential numbewr of votes.

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Postby comic boy on Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:47 pm

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comic boy wrote:Anybody care to put their money where their mouth is and place a small wager, I have a years premium that says Big Ron wont get the primary.


That's a fool's bet, there's no chance Ron Paul gets the nomination.



Exactly which is why I expected Jay to jump at the chance, guess he is just spouting hot air :cry:
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Postby Frigidus on Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:19 pm

heavycola wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
Iliad wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Why Ron Paul MUST win

A question jay. If there this big conspiracy including some kind of illuminati and the new world order :? And these are really powerful people why are you still posting? If they have the power to rule the world surely they have the power to edit some stuff on the internet. And delete videos. So jay?



Do you really believe that? So this group of people should be able to find and deal with any and all that disclose info. about them? They are powerful, not God.


jay_a2j: subverting the most powerful people on the planet, one youtubeā„¢ link at a time


Exactly. At the very least they could find the stuff on YouTube.
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Postby silvanricky on Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:22 pm

Jay, if I promise to never make fun of your ridiculous posts again would you agree to never mention Ron Paul's name? I know it would be difficult for both of us but desperate times call for desperate measures.
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Postby jay_a2j on Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:04 pm

silvanricky wrote:Jay, if I promise to never make fun of your ridiculous posts again would you agree to never mention Ron Paul's name? I know it would be difficult for both of us but desperate times call for desperate measures.



Who are you?
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Postby got tonkaed on Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:06 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
silvanricky wrote:Jay, if I promise to never make fun of your ridiculous posts again would you agree to never mention Ron Paul's name? I know it would be difficult for both of us but desperate times call for desperate measures.



Who are you?



he posts sporadically, i would call him a conservative, though perhaps not a libertarian.....though im sure he could speak better for himself than i could.
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Postby Iliad on Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:30 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
Iliad wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Why Ron Paul MUST win

A question jay. If there this big conspiracy including some kind of illuminati and the new world order :? And these are really powerful people why are you still posting? If they have the power to rule the world surely they have the power to edit some stuff on the internet. And delete videos. So jay?



Do you really believe that? So this group of people should be able to find and deal with any and all that disclose info. about them? They are powerful, not God.

If they have the power to control the world they could hack into your account. Have moderators work for them. Delete videos. That is not hard. That's where you're wrong jay
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Postby jay_a2j on Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:47 pm

Iliad wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
Iliad wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Why Ron Paul MUST win

A question jay. If there this big conspiracy including some kind of illuminati and the new world order :? And these are really powerful people why are you still posting? If they have the power to rule the world surely they have the power to edit some stuff on the internet. And delete videos. So jay?



Do you really believe that? So this group of people should be able to find and deal with any and all that disclose info. about them? They are powerful, not God.

If they have the power to control the world they could hack into your account. Have moderators work for them. Delete videos. That is not hard. That's where you're wrong jay


Oh, like THAT wouldn't be obvious!

News just in: "Hundreds of people posting NWO/Illuminati stuff on youtube but somehow it all got deleted."

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Postby OnlyAmbrose on Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:56 pm

Guiscard wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
unriggable wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
unriggable wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Now imagine if the Paul turnout was over 50%? Go Ron Paul!!!!


Wow! Over 50%, that's what, 2.5% of republicans? Unbelievable!


2.5% of Republicans out of the 7.8% who actually vote in the primaries is a sizable fraction.


Keep in mind that it isn't as a whole, it's state-by-state. Since his popularity is over the internet I'd say theres an even spread over the nation, which really means that he is unlikely to win any states, never mind more than anyone else.


I don't see what that has to do with anything. 7.8% of Republicans nationally go to vote on primary day, and 2.5% of Republicans nationally support Ron Paul. Even if that number ISN'T evenly distributed throughout the states, he's bound to win several states assuming voter turnout for him is above average - which it is likely to be, given the enthusiasm of his supporters.


No-one's produced any figures for likely turnout of voters in the Ron Paul camp as opposed to other camps. Also do you think maybe if it looks like Ron Paul is doing well other Republicans who usually wouldn't bother will decide to get out and vote to keep the loon away? I think thats certainly a possibility...

I wouldn't have thought there would be much difference between Ron Paul supporters and any others. A lot of Ron Paul supporters we see on the net seem to be a lot of talk, but little else. You watch.


Like I said in the first post, these statistics are based purely on assumptions, but I think they're reasonable enough.

Did I ever mention that I (acting as Ron Paul) won the primary in my humanities class mock election by a majority? Maybe it's a sign... ;)
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Postby Iliad on Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:02 am

jay_a2j wrote:
Iliad wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
Iliad wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Why Ron Paul MUST win

A question jay. If there this big conspiracy including some kind of illuminati and the new world order :? And these are really powerful people why are you still posting? If they have the power to rule the world surely they have the power to edit some stuff on the internet. And delete videos. So jay?



Do you really believe that? So this group of people should be able to find and deal with any and all that disclose info. about them? They are powerful, not God.

If they have the power to control the world they could hack into your account. Have moderators work for them. Delete videos. That is not hard. That's where you're wrong jay


Oh, like THAT wouldn't be obvious!

News just in: "Hundreds of people posting NWO/Illuminati stuff on youtube but somehow it all got deleted."

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how would it be obvious. Jay just imagine that your bullshit is all true. All they have to do is have a moderator on the largest video-hosting site and delete the videos. Ban people who talk about it. Surely they could that if they have power to take over the world
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Postby Iliad on Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:06 am

OnlyAmbrose wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
unriggable wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
unriggable wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Now imagine if the Paul turnout was over 50%? Go Ron Paul!!!!


Wow! Over 50%, that's what, 2.5% of republicans? Unbelievable!


2.5% of Republicans out of the 7.8% who actually vote in the primaries is a sizable fraction.


Keep in mind that it isn't as a whole, it's state-by-state. Since his popularity is over the internet I'd say theres an even spread over the nation, which really means that he is unlikely to win any states, never mind more than anyone else.


I don't see what that has to do with anything. 7.8% of Republicans nationally go to vote on primary day, and 2.5% of Republicans nationally support Ron Paul. Even if that number ISN'T evenly distributed throughout the states, he's bound to win several states assuming voter turnout for him is above average - which it is likely to be, given the enthusiasm of his supporters.


No-one's produced any figures for likely turnout of voters in the Ron Paul camp as opposed to other camps. Also do you think maybe if it looks like Ron Paul is doing well other Republicans who usually wouldn't bother will decide to get out and vote to keep the loon away? I think thats certainly a possibility...

I wouldn't have thought there would be much difference between Ron Paul supporters and any others. A lot of Ron Paul supporters we see on the net seem to be a lot of talk, but little else. You watch.


Like I said in the first post, these statistics are based purely on assumptions, but I think they're reasonable enough.

Did I ever mention that I (acting as Ron Paul) won the primary in my humanities class mock election by a majority? Maybe it's a sign... ;)

not really. Ron Paul has no chance.
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Postby jay_a2j on Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:19 am

Iliad wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
unriggable wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
unriggable wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Now imagine if the Paul turnout was over 50%? Go Ron Paul!!!!


Wow! Over 50%, that's what, 2.5% of republicans? Unbelievable!


2.5% of Republicans out of the 7.8% who actually vote in the primaries is a sizable fraction.


Keep in mind that it isn't as a whole, it's state-by-state. Since his popularity is over the internet I'd say theres an even spread over the nation, which really means that he is unlikely to win any states, never mind more than anyone else.


I don't see what that has to do with anything. 7.8% of Republicans nationally go to vote on primary day, and 2.5% of Republicans nationally support Ron Paul. Even if that number ISN'T evenly distributed throughout the states, he's bound to win several states assuming voter turnout for him is above average - which it is likely to be, given the enthusiasm of his supporters.


No-one's produced any figures for likely turnout of voters in the Ron Paul camp as opposed to other camps. Also do you think maybe if it looks like Ron Paul is doing well other Republicans who usually wouldn't bother will decide to get out and vote to keep the loon away? I think thats certainly a possibility...

I wouldn't have thought there would be much difference between Ron Paul supporters and any others. A lot of Ron Paul supporters we see on the net seem to be a lot of talk, but little else. You watch.


Like I said in the first post, these statistics are based purely on assumptions, but I think they're reasonable enough.

Did I ever mention that I (acting as Ron Paul) won the primary in my humanities class mock election by a majority? Maybe it's a sign... ;)

not really. Ron Paul has no chance.



That should make the average person upset. Why in the world would anyone WANT Ron Paul to lose? Or "gloat" that "he doesn't have a chance"? Any reasonable person who educates himself on all the candidates should wan a Ron Paul in office.
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Postby Frigidus on Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:27 am

jay_a2j wrote:
Iliad wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
unriggable wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
unriggable wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Now imagine if the Paul turnout was over 50%? Go Ron Paul!!!!


Wow! Over 50%, that's what, 2.5% of republicans? Unbelievable!


2.5% of Republicans out of the 7.8% who actually vote in the primaries is a sizable fraction.


Keep in mind that it isn't as a whole, it's state-by-state. Since his popularity is over the internet I'd say theres an even spread over the nation, which really means that he is unlikely to win any states, never mind more than anyone else.


I don't see what that has to do with anything. 7.8% of Republicans nationally go to vote on primary day, and 2.5% of Republicans nationally support Ron Paul. Even if that number ISN'T evenly distributed throughout the states, he's bound to win several states assuming voter turnout for him is above average - which it is likely to be, given the enthusiasm of his supporters.


No-one's produced any figures for likely turnout of voters in the Ron Paul camp as opposed to other camps. Also do you think maybe if it looks like Ron Paul is doing well other Republicans who usually wouldn't bother will decide to get out and vote to keep the loon away? I think thats certainly a possibility...

I wouldn't have thought there would be much difference between Ron Paul supporters and any others. A lot of Ron Paul supporters we see on the net seem to be a lot of talk, but little else. You watch.


Like I said in the first post, these statistics are based purely on assumptions, but I think they're reasonable enough.

Did I ever mention that I (acting as Ron Paul) won the primary in my humanities class mock election by a majority? Maybe it's a sign... ;)

not really. Ron Paul has no chance.



That should make the average person upset. Why in the world would anyone WANT Ron Paul to lose? Or "gloat" that "he doesn't have a chance"? Any reasonable person who educates himself on all the candidates should wan a Ron Paul in office.


As has been mentioned a few times, if you spam something enough people will hate it. Hell, start 10 threads about how great it is to be free and someone will eventually say that freedom (and the poster) both suck.
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Postby Iliad on Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:29 am

jay_a2j wrote:
Iliad wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
unriggable wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
unriggable wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Now imagine if the Paul turnout was over 50%? Go Ron Paul!!!!


Wow! Over 50%, that's what, 2.5% of republicans? Unbelievable!


2.5% of Republicans out of the 7.8% who actually vote in the primaries is a sizable fraction.


Keep in mind that it isn't as a whole, it's state-by-state. Since his popularity is over the internet I'd say theres an even spread over the nation, which really means that he is unlikely to win any states, never mind more than anyone else.


I don't see what that has to do with anything. 7.8% of Republicans nationally go to vote on primary day, and 2.5% of Republicans nationally support Ron Paul. Even if that number ISN'T evenly distributed throughout the states, he's bound to win several states assuming voter turnout for him is above average - which it is likely to be, given the enthusiasm of his supporters.


No-one's produced any figures for likely turnout of voters in the Ron Paul camp as opposed to other camps. Also do you think maybe if it looks like Ron Paul is doing well other Republicans who usually wouldn't bother will decide to get out and vote to keep the loon away? I think thats certainly a possibility...

I wouldn't have thought there would be much difference between Ron Paul supporters and any others. A lot of Ron Paul supporters we see on the net seem to be a lot of talk, but little else. You watch.


Like I said in the first post, these statistics are based purely on assumptions, but I think they're reasonable enough.

Did I ever mention that I (acting as Ron Paul) won the primary in my humanities class mock election by a majority? Maybe it's a sign... ;)

not really. Ron Paul has no chance.



That should make the average person upset. Why in the world would anyone WANT Ron Paul to lose? Or "gloat" that "he doesn't have a chance"? Any reasonable person who educates himself on all the candidates should wan a Ron Paul in office.

I don't know maybe because he's not a good candidate? Maybe because he is getting 5% in the polls?

Now jay please read carefully. I want you to NOT show a random video but explain his points and explain why they are good
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Postby jay_a2j on Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:31 am

Frigidus wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
Iliad wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
unriggable wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
unriggable wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Now imagine if the Paul turnout was over 50%? Go Ron Paul!!!!


Wow! Over 50%, that's what, 2.5% of republicans? Unbelievable!


2.5% of Republicans out of the 7.8% who actually vote in the primaries is a sizable fraction.


Keep in mind that it isn't as a whole, it's state-by-state. Since his popularity is over the internet I'd say theres an even spread over the nation, which really means that he is unlikely to win any states, never mind more than anyone else.


I don't see what that has to do with anything. 7.8% of Republicans nationally go to vote on primary day, and 2.5% of Republicans nationally support Ron Paul. Even if that number ISN'T evenly distributed throughout the states, he's bound to win several states assuming voter turnout for him is above average - which it is likely to be, given the enthusiasm of his supporters.


No-one's produced any figures for likely turnout of voters in the Ron Paul camp as opposed to other camps. Also do you think maybe if it looks like Ron Paul is doing well other Republicans who usually wouldn't bother will decide to get out and vote to keep the loon away? I think thats certainly a possibility...

I wouldn't have thought there would be much difference between Ron Paul supporters and any others. A lot of Ron Paul supporters we see on the net seem to be a lot of talk, but little else. You watch.


Like I said in the first post, these statistics are based purely on assumptions, but I think they're reasonable enough.

Did I ever mention that I (acting as Ron Paul) won the primary in my humanities class mock election by a majority? Maybe it's a sign... ;)

not really. Ron Paul has no chance.



That should make the average person upset. Why in the world would anyone WANT Ron Paul to lose? Or "gloat" that "he doesn't have a chance"? Any reasonable person who educates himself on all the candidates should wan a Ron Paul in office.


As has been mentioned a few times, if you spam something enough people will hate it. Hell, start 10 threads about how great it is to be free and someone will eventually say that freedom (and the poster) both suck.



In that case.....












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Postby luns101 on Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:08 am

I've been pretty busy with work lately to post a lot, but I just wanted to add one thing to this discussion...

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Postby jay_a2j on Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:47 am

Iliad wrote:
Now jay please read carefully. I want you to NOT show a random video but explain his points and explain why they are good



1. He is against the National ID card. (I don't want to give up any more of my freedoms...and this card will have GPS)

2. He is against the NAU (north American Union). (he is the only candidate speaking out against world government)

3. He wants to bring our troops home. (not just from Iraq but all over the world)

4. He wants to get rid of the IRS and many more needless or unconstitutional government agencies. (wow, NO federal income tax? Sounds like a plan to me)

5. He wants government OUT of people's lives and go back to a nation that follows the Constitution of the United States.

6. He wants sound money, backed by something so it has worth.



Someone post anything that any other candidate that even comes close to these. Good luck...
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Postby Serbia on Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:01 am

jay_a2j wrote:1. He is against the National ID card. (I don't want to give up any more of my freedoms...and this card will have GPS)

4. He wants to get rid of the IRS and many more needless or unconstitutional government agencies. (wow, NO federal income tax? Sounds like a plan to me)

5. He wants government OUT of people's lives and go back to a nation that follows the Constitution of the United States.

6. He wants sound money, backed by something so it has worth.


All that sounds fine, something we'd all want. The last two I have issue with.

jay_a2j wrote:2. He is against the NAU (north American Union). (he is the only candidate speaking out against world government)

3. He wants to bring our troops home. (not just from Iraq but all over the world)


I don't hear any candidate talking about a NAU. So in my mind, that's a non-issue, although it's perfect for those of you who really worry about it to get all up in arms and rally around. #3 is my main sticking point with Paul. Before I started hating his whole campaign, thanks to his supporters, that is. I completely disagree with his position on the military, the war in Iraq, and the War on Terror in general. That is one of the key issues in my mind, and he doesn't add up. So, being on the wrong side of that issue, there is no chance I'll vote for him in the primaries. And I'm certain he's got no shot at the nomination.
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Postby Der Fuhrer on Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:04 am

Who the f*ck is Ron Paul, and why the f*ck should I care?
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Postby Der Fuhrer on Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:05 am

Serbia wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:1. He is against the National ID card. (I don't want to give up any more of my freedoms...and this card will have GPS)

4. He wants to get rid of the IRS and many more needless or unconstitutional government agencies. (wow, NO federal income tax? Sounds like a plan to me)

5. He wants government OUT of people's lives and go back to a nation that follows the Constitution of the United States.

6. He wants sound money, backed by something so it has worth.


All that sounds fine, something we'd all want. The last two I have issue with.

jay_a2j wrote:2. He is against the NAU (north American Union). (he is the only candidate speaking out against world government)

3. He wants to bring our troops home. (not just from Iraq but all over the world)


I don't hear any candidate talking about a NAU. So in my mind, that's a non-issue, although it's perfect for those of you who really worry about it to get all up in arms and rally around. #3 is my main sticking point with Paul. Before I started hating his whole campaign, thanks to his supporters, that is. I completely disagree with his position on the military, the war in Iraq, and the War on Terror in general. That is one of the key issues in my mind, and he doesn't add up. So, being on the wrong side of that issue, there is no chance I'll vote for him in the primaries. And I'm certain he's got no shot at the nomination.


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Postby jay_a2j on Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:13 am

The war on terror is "a rumor of war". Yes, I know that 911 has succeeded in making people believe that terrorists are out to get us (I was one of them). The government and media have pulled off the biggest con of our time. But the facts tell a different story. In the words of George W. Bush, "You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the one's you want to concentrate on".
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Postby heavycola on Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:14 am

Der Fuhrer wrote:
Serbia wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:1. He is against the National ID card. (I don't want to give up any more of my freedoms...and this card will have GPS)

4. He wants to get rid of the IRS and many more needless or unconstitutional government agencies. (wow, NO federal income tax? Sounds like a plan to me)

5. He wants government OUT of people's lives and go back to a nation that follows the Constitution of the United States.

6. He wants sound money, backed by something so it has worth.


All that sounds fine, something we'd all want. The last two I have issue with.

jay_a2j wrote:2. He is against the NAU (north American Union). (he is the only candidate speaking out against world government)

3. He wants to bring our troops home. (not just from Iraq but all over the world)


I don't hear any candidate talking about a NAU. So in my mind, that's a non-issue, although it's perfect for those of you who really worry about it to get all up in arms and rally around. #3 is my main sticking point with Paul. Before I started hating his whole campaign, thanks to his supporters, that is. I completely disagree with his position on the military, the war in Iraq, and the War on Terror in general. That is one of the key issues in my mind, and he doesn't add up. So, being on the wrong side of that issue, there is no chance I'll vote for him in the primaries. And I'm certain he's got no shot at the nomination.


Who the f*ck is this goddamned Jew, and why is he here?


A new record. Only 6 posts and already boring.

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Postby Der Fuhrer on Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:19 am

jay_a2j wrote:The war on terror is "a rumor of war". Yes, I know that 911 has succeeded in making people believe that terrorists are out to get us (I was one of them). The government and media have pulled off the biggest con of our time. But the facts tell a different story. In the words of George W. Bush, "You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the one's you want to concentrate on".


You are perhaps the dumbest piece-of-shit liberal I have ever had the misfortune to read.
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Postby jay_a2j on Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:27 am

Der Fuhrer wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:The war on terror is "a rumor of war". Yes, I know that 911 has succeeded in making people believe that terrorists are out to get us (I was one of them). The government and media have pulled off the biggest con of our time. But the facts tell a different story. In the words of George W. Bush, "You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the one's you want to concentrate on".


You are perhaps the dumbest piece-of-shit liberal I have ever had the misfortune to read.



I am FAR from a liberal. Try the other end of the political spectrum. :roll:
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