Nebraska Mall Shootings

[Nobunaga]

Cmon for real... On average 6744 die each day in America...

And 10 people a day are murdered...

It's not a big deal because you live there.

It doesn't matter. It's never a joking matter when ANYONE dies. Except for those who kill others and take their own lives.

... He should've skipped part one an just moved onto the last part.

... Crazy white boy just got fired from McDonalds and broke up with his girlfriend.

[Heimdall]

Except for those who kill others and take their own lives.

Which is the case here

Wrong. People are dead because of someone else.

Isn't that what i said? The guy killed others and then took his own life.

[Nobunaga]

... Used his step-dad's rifle.

...

[Skittles!]

I am against death.

Good luck for when you're old then.

[Neutrino]

UCA, if you are prepared to complain about others cracking jokes because people in a part of the world severely opposite to theirs have died, then you should always be against jokes because you can be sure, someone, somewhere has just died violently.

Just because there was a lot of them at once dosen't make it any more worthy of your sympathy than 10 people dying seperately.

[UCAbears]

UCA, if you are prepared to complain about others cracking jokes because people in a part of the world severely opposite to theirs have died, then you should always be against jokes because you can be sure, someone, somewhere has just died violently.

Just because there was a lot of them at once dosen't make it any more worthy of your sympathy than 10 people dying seperately.

They are making jokes in a thread about the people who died. There is a difference. If they want to make jokes, don't make them about some people who did nothing wrong to die. And in a different thread.

[Skittles!]

Many people don't do things wrong and then they die. You can't stop it from happening.

[Heimdall]

Going Xmas shopping is a killer...

I'll make it my excuse for not buying any gifts this year.

[Neutrino]

They are making jokes in a thread about the people who died. There is a difference. If they want to make jokes, don't make them about some people who did nothing wrong to die. And in a different thread.

Why do these particular 10 people deserve a thread? Hundreds of people die daily, and they get nothing. The only reason you care about these people is because they were Westerners.

[Hitman079]

i knows where it is.

It's in the middle of nowhere.

And to all you Nebraskans, Ill cook my corn the way I want to.

my god, this guy flames every country/state/province/island/peninsula eh?

[moomaster2000]

Especially ones invested with thai people =D

[UCAbears]

They are making jokes in a thread about the people who died. There is a difference. If they want to make jokes, don't make them about some people who did nothing wrong to die. And in a different thread.

Why do these particular 10 people deserve a thread? Hundreds of people die daily, and they get nothing. The only reason you care about these people is because they were Westerners.

Just that it was something I heard about and yes it was in my country.

[Iliad]

this brings up a good point. Why do 9 deaths in America get huge covering while in other countreis tehre are people murdered every day?

[moomaster2000]

Because...
U.S.A. Number 1.

[Coleman]

I knew Robbie Hawkings, he went to our church. And I know his family, or his step-family I guess you'd say and have known them a long time. Candice his step mother is, was, a really close friend of mine until this past year but I'm not going to go into that.

I'm not rational today and I'm not going to be posting tomorrow or playing my games or anything else. All I can think of is when we were on a winter retreat with my church and he tried to choke me to death and only stopped because of how many people were around. I'm wondering if his face was the same then as when he was shooting those people.

I'm out. You guys keep posting your bull shit.

[comic boy]

Hopefully some good will come out of this if a few more Americans support more stringent gun control.

[Neutrino]

One can always hope that eventually someone in power will get the point.

[The Factory]

Hopefully some good will come out of this if a few more Americans support more stringent gun control.

Stricter gun laws won't accomplish much, if anything it will just make more dangerous weapons (fully automatic assault rifles, etc.) more easily accessible via illegal arms dealers. Believe me, if you talk to the right people you can get yourself an AK-47 for around $200 where I'm from. The worst part is that weapons dealers already operate beyond the restrictions of the law so they don't care who they sell weapons to be it a child or a a felon with an extensive history of violent acts on other people.

[Dancing Mustard]

I am against death.

So is Ron Paul.

[sangfroid]

Stricter gun laws won't accomplish much, if anything it will just make more dangerous weapons (fully automatic assault rifles, etc.) more easily accessible via illegal arms dealers.

Of course stricter gun laws won't accomplish much, the laws don't need to be changed and kids can keep on dying because after all, they're only kids and who cares about them. Let's just ignore the situation and see how many more people die because of our eagerness to do nothing!!

[The Factory]

Stricter gun laws won't accomplish much, if anything it will just make more dangerous weapons (fully automatic assault rifles, etc.) more easily accessible via illegal arms dealers.

Of course stricter gun laws won't accomplish much, the laws don't need to be changed and kids can keep on dying because after all, they're only kids and who cares about them. Let's just ignore the situation and see how many more people die because of our eagerness to do nothing!!

No, we should completely restrict the right to own weapons and let kids obtain them from and simultaneously fund illegal arms traders and gangs, therefore giving gangs greater leverage through a greater source of income generated by the higher demand for weapons caused by their illegality THEN we let them die, because after all, they're only kids and who cares about them.

[Freetymes]

In this case gun laws would not solve a thing. This kid was out to be famous and would not have thought twice if (that) his use of a gun was illegal. He broke many laws that do exist and they were no deterrent.

Of course this brings out the emotional response of "We have to outlaw guns to save these people!!!"
Sadly even with the extremely stiff gun laws in the UK they have skyrocketing violent crime issues and gangs rule in the inner cities.

If it is a gun control debate you seek though...

The reality is that if there had been a law abiding person with a concealed carry weapons permit, and the afore mentioned Mall did not have a weapons (criminal) free zone then much if not all of these horrible deaths could well have been stopped.

There are literally 100's of gun laws and restrictions (in my state the annotated gun laws fill a single volume consisting of over 80 pages) and just as all of the prohibition type laws they are poorly enforced, judges are overly lenient, and it creates a thriving illegal market.

Look at the stats and facts. In virtually all of the states in the US that have created "Shall issue" concealed weapon permits, the violent crime rates have dropped dramatically and there are 1000's of cases nation wide where these permit holders have saved lives.

Strict gun laws already exist and instead of making more, those that exist should be VERY strictly enforced and there should be little to no chance for leniency! Add that to the fact that as a felon you may be up against a well trained armed "Victim" and you add a very personal and immediate deterrent to the above strict law actions. Guns are illegal in many countries but they still exist. Outlawing something is not a solution!

[comic boy]

In this case gun laws would not solve a thing. This kid was out to be famous and would not have thought twice if (that) his use of a gun was illegal. He broke many laws that do exist and they were no deterrent.

Of course this brings out the emotional response of "We have to outlaw guns to save these people!!!"
Sadly even with the extremely stiff gun laws in the UK they have skyrocketing violent crime issues and gangs rule in the inner cities.

If it is a gun control debate you seek though...

The reality is that if there had been a law abiding person with a concealed carry weapons permit, and the afore mentioned Mall did not have a weapons (criminal) free zone then much if not all of these horrible deaths could well have been stopped.

There are literally 100's of gun laws and restrictions (in my state the annotated gun laws fill a single volume consisting of over 80 pages) and just as all of the prohibition type laws they are poorly enforced, judges are overly lenient, and it creates a thriving illegal market.

Look at the stats and facts. In virtually all of the states in the US that have created "Shall issue" concealed weapon permits, the violent crime rates have dropped dramatically and there are 1000's of cases nation wide where these permit holders have saved lives.

Strict gun laws already exist and instead of making more, those that exist should be VERY strictly enforced and there should be little to no chance for leniency! Add that to the fact that as a felon you may be up against a well trained armed "Victim" and you add a very personal and immediate deterrent to the above strict law actions. Guns are illegal in many countries but they still exist. Outlawing something is not a solution!

Not true
Violent crime is not sky - rocketing in the UK and violent gangs do not rule the inner cities. Gun crime is up slightly but tends to be is very marginalised, shootings are rare enough to be newsworthy still which can hardly be said of the USA. Whether it is lack of controls or poor enforcement I dont know but something needs to be done, no point hand wringing after every tragedy and doing nothing.

[Guiscard]

In this case gun laws would not solve a thing. This kid was out to be famous and would not have thought twice if (that) his use of a gun was illegal. He broke many laws that do exist and they were no deterrent.

Of course this brings out the emotional response of "We have to outlaw guns to save these people!!!"
Sadly even with the extremely stiff gun laws in the UK they have skyrocketing violent crime issues and gangs rule in the inner cities.

If it is a gun control debate you seek though...

The reality is that if there had been a law abiding person with a concealed carry weapons permit, and the afore mentioned Mall did not have a weapons (criminal) free zone then much if not all of these horrible deaths could well have been stopped.

There are literally 100's of gun laws and restrictions (in my state the annotated gun laws fill a single volume consisting of over 80 pages) and just as all of the prohibition type laws they are poorly enforced, judges are overly lenient, and it creates a thriving illegal market.

Look at the stats and facts. In virtually all of the states in the US that have created "Shall issue" concealed weapon permits, the violent crime rates have dropped dramatically and there are 1000's of cases nation wide where these permit holders have saved lives.

Strict gun laws already exist and instead of making more, those that exist should be VERY strictly enforced and there should be little to no chance for leniency! Add that to the fact that as a felon you may be up against a well trained armed "Victim" and you add a very personal and immediate deterrent to the above strict law actions. Guns are illegal in many countries but they still exist. Outlawing something is not a solution!

As hard as I tried here in the UK, I doubt I could get hold of a gun unless a) I had fairly shady connections in the estates or b) I was the son of a farmer.

Stricter gun laws in the UK mean that gun ownership is simply very rare. It might not happen straight away, not for a generation, but in the long term it will do you good. A lot of my grandparents generation got rid of firearms they may well have had in various amnesties because the penalties for illegal ownership were severe. Its a trickle down effect. By introducing stricter legislation you gradually decrease the gun culture. It DOESN'T go over to the illegal market to a massive degree. It means that kids like this one and the guy at Virginia Tech don't have access to guns straight away.

Its gun culture that needs dealing with. Its a terrible thing and I am truly sorry you in the US are afflicted with such a lust for what are necessarily and by design objects used specifically to kill human beings.

[autoload]

I knew Robbie Hawkings...All I can think of is when we were on a winter retreat with my church and he tried to choke me to death and only stopped because of how many people were around. I'm wondering if his face was the same then as when he was shooting those people...

Rage is nothing to be trifled with. Maybe someday people will get the hint and start treating others like human beings so shit like this don't happen so often.