I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER!!!!!

[hecter]

Bestiality is wrong because an animal can't give consent. Neither can a child, an unconscious person, drugged person, dead body, ect. Make sense? Also, please note that there are plenty of paedophiles and zoophiles that have never acted on their... urges. I find such people admirable.

Racism is something we can try and be rid of. I'm sure we'll succeed some day, as long as right-wing assholes stop pushing that sort of thing onto their children. A left-wing racist is kinda odd... But I'm sure their out there and they can all follow the same advice.

Wal-mart... Let's not get into that, eh?

[suggs]

Somebody e-mailed me this:
Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.

I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING MARTHA BURKE?

I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion.

I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.

When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of Probability.

I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English!

My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.

I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry ass if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines.

I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business.

We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document; and open to their interpretations.

I don't hate the rich I don't pity the poor.

I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. That doesn't stop you from watching them.

I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that's better, and put your name on the building.

It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when necessary, and say "NO!"

I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. And, please, stay home until that new lip ring heals. I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve me French fries!

I am sick of "Political Correctness." I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa ; so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe . I am proud to be from America and nowhere else

Why don't we just tell the 14% to Shut Up and BE QUIET!!!

No, i dont like your point of view. You make me sick, with your discriminatory, aggressive and hateful outlook on the world.
You cant tell 14% to shut up-every individual has a right. Even there were only two gay people in the world, that would not make what they did wrong.
Minority beliefs are in fact what quite often keeps communities and countries vibrant and progressive-people that belived the world was round were in the minority for quite a long time you know...

1) Guns simply make violence more likely.
2)If you think homosexuality is "wrong" you are just gibbering nonsense.
ITs not a "moral" question-its just a way that some humans like to have intecourse.
Sex has nothing to do with morality, its purely biological.
3) Do lots of rich blacks commit crime? No. Crime has NOTHING to do with race, just how deprived a community is.
4)Your ancestors, in WWII died to stop your views coming into operation in Europe.
"They salute the foes their fathers fought, by waving their right arms in the air" (Bragg)
You are barely human-please go and read a book, and learn something about other cultures, or other ways of looking at things.
Listen to "Sexuality" by Billy Bragg-a great pop song-it might change your life, or in your case, give you one.

[2dimes]

Easy Jay that last one's going a bit too far.

[Frigidus]

I was asked to send this on if I agree or delete if I don't. It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a problem in having "In God We Trust" on our money and having "God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Why don't we just tell the 14% to Shut Up and BE QUIET!!!

This is one of the handful of things I (almost) agree with. As an athiest I just skip over the "under God" part of the pledge. If I don't agree with a statement I don't say it. And the argument of "corrupting" athiest's children or whatever makes no sense. If they aren't old enough to think to themselves "I don't agree with this statement" and not state it then it isn't corrupting them. That said they still have the right to express their (misguided) views. The majority of America accepts homosexuality, so should those against it "Shut Up and BE QUIET"? Don't mean to hijack the thread, but this has always annoyed me...gave athiests a bad name why don't you?

[suggs]

Bit of a problem if you don trust God" though-time for that bit to go, its irrelevant.

[Backglass]

I was asked to send this on if I agree or delete if I don't. It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God.

Believe in A god...not necessarily YOUR god.

Therefore I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a problem in having "In God We Trust" on our money and having "God" in the Pledge of Allegiance.

How about the fact that neither originally had it?

Here is something to think about my dear jay. Theodore Roosevelt argued against "In god we trust" on coins because he thought it sacrilegious to put the name of your god on something so common as money. As I am sure you know, a number of commandments forbid the trivial use of your god's name in the Bible, such as Exodus 20:7, Deuteronomy 5:11, and Leviticus 19:12. Hmmm...your gods name being used daily to buy drugs, pay prostitutes and fuel gambling binges at casinos nationwide, yet you have no problem with this. Very strange of you but then again you haven't been yourself lately.

As for the pledge of allegiance, we should probably use the original version as the author (a Baptist Minister) intended...don't you think? Francis Bellamy's original pledge read as follows: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.'" In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. ONLY THEN did the Pledge become a patriotic oath and a public prayer...not before.

If you found out that the bible you cling to had been altered a few hundred years ago by someone people who didn't agree with what it said, wouldn't you want to worship the ORIGINAL version?

Or are you a revisionist history buff now as well?

[Anarkistsdream]

Wow, Backglass... You just blew the doors off of my problems with the text...

Well said!

[The Weird One]

[F1fth]

Firstly, let me say, Backglass: I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER!!!!!

With that foolishness out of the way, I'm going to try my hand at pick apart of few of Jay's arguments:

Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.

Yes, but baseball bats are NOT designed specifically to kill people, nor are they nearly as easily capable of doing so, so they are quite different.

I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.

As has been said before, by this logic, then people have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of your intolerance. So what are you complaining about?

I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English!

English is only the de facto language of the U.S. It's not even our official language. That said, people are granted by the first amendment (you know what it says, but I'll say it anyway) FREE SPEECH!

My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.

Once again, a pesky little thing called the Bill of Rights says that they can.

We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document; and open to their interpretations.

To quote Mandy on this: "We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk out lives in wars to defend their freedoms. PERIOD."

And if you don't like my point of view, tough...

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA , AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!

I was asked to send this on if I agree or delete if I don't. It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a problem in having "In God We Trust" on our money and having "God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Why don't we just tell the 14% to Shut Up and BE QUIET!!!

Backglass already tore this one apart, so I'll leave it be.

[heavycola]

It is already blindingly obvious, if it wasnt; already, that jay hoovers up anything with his blind acceptance nozzle.

Jay's hateful post, attributed tellingly to the wrong person for added and entirely spurious oomph, is just an attempt to make life easier for the weak-minded.
Changing attitudes and changing the world is always going to involve changing ourselves and other people in often personally inonvenient ways. All jay's post is saying is that he shouldn't ever have to suffer minor personal inconvenience, or think too hard about stuff that he doesn't want to think about. (See how it ends with a caps-lock patriotic rallying cry, as if that makes its content acceptable to all but non-patriots and communists?)

For example: "When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of Probability."

This is basic maths. It is also a reaction to the discomfort produced by the actual, nation-wide arrest figures by race, with which it has nothing to do.
According to Human Rights Watch, 13 % of teh US population is black, compared with 41 % of the prison population. That is an uncomfortable statistic for anyone to hear. So is it easier to feel that discomfort, or to read knee-jerk bullshit about '70% black' cities because it makes you feel better?

Jay you are getting worse. This is hateful nonsense, as anyone who actually looks at it for more than a second can see. Doesn't matter who you vote for, this is just lazy thinking for lazy, prejudiced people.

[jay_a2j]

1) Guns simply make violence more likely.
2)If you think homosexuality is "wrong" you are just gibbering nonsense.
ITs not a "moral" question-its just a way that some humans like to have intecourse.
Sex has nothing to do with morality, its purely biological.
3) Do lots of rich blacks commit crime? No. Crime has NOTHING to do with race, just how deprived a community is.
4)Your ancestors, in WWII died to stop your views coming into operation in Europe.
"They salute the foes their fathers fought, by waving their right arms in the air" (Bragg)
You are barely human-please go and read a book, and learn something about other cultures, or other ways of looking at things.
Listen to "Sexuality" by Billy Bragg-a great pop song-it might change your life, or in your case, give you one.

1. Guns have no mind of their own they can not harm another person by themselves. CRAZY people make violence more likely.

2. You have to have morals to be able to understand what they are. Of course an atheist will discredit the issue of "morality" seeing that morality derives from the belief in "a greater power" of some sort.

3. I think you missed the point of this one.

4.Fortunately, my grandfather survived WWII. But many others gave their lives so that you could post your useless drivel on some website over 50 years later.

[jay_a2j]

Somebody e-mailed me this:

I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens...Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.

Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.

I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING MARTHA BURKE?

I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion.

I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.

When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of Probability.

I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English!

My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.

I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry ass if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines.

I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business.

We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document; and open to their interpretations.

I don't hate the rich I don't pity the poor.

I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. That doesn't stop you from watching them.

I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that's better, and put your name on the building.

It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when necessary, and say "NO!"

I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. And, please, stay home until that new lip ring heals. I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve me French fries!

I am sick of "Political Correctness." I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa ; so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe . I am proud to be from America and nowhere else

And if you don't like my point of view, tough...

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA , AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!

I was asked to send this on if I agree or delete if I don't. It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a problem in having "In God We Trust" on our money and having "God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Why don't we just tell the 14% to Shut Up and BE QUIET!!!

Will you please stop posting as if they were MY words..... I merely agree with them...look for the BOLD at the top of this post....come on....I know you can do it! I DID NOT WRITE IT (so you are in essence misquoting me). Good day.

[got tonkaed]

jay you cant really post something....under the premises that you agree with the ideas...to the point that you say, I couldnt have said it better myself, and not expect some of the attacks that occur when the ideas are quite open to opposition.

Certainly someone of your well known levels of high toleration should understand that people arent supposed to have their cake and eat it too.

[heavycola]

hear hear.

Jay do you ever think before you post?

[jay_a2j]

jay you cant really post something....under the premises that you agree with the ideas...to the point that you say, I couldnt have said it better myself, and not expect some of the attacks that occur when the ideas are quite open to opposition.

Certainly someone of your well known levels of high toleration should understand that people arent supposed to have their cake and eat it too.

Its the difference between the liberal mindset and the conservative mindset. Remember when Dan Quayle made the Murphy Brown statement? About single mothers? I took the statement NOT as a put down of single mothers, but as "it is best for the child" for BOTH parents to participate in the upbringing of a child. Where as my left-leaning professor in college took it as an insult to single mothers. That was the first time in my life I realized that..... there really is a difference between how each side thinks.

[Stopper]

Also, please note that there are plenty of paedophiles and zoophiles that have never acted on their... urges. I find such people admirable.

Just to quickly say, I don't know if it was deliberate or not, but the above comment made me laugh.

[radiojake]

Wow, Jay

It's people like you who really do make the planet suck. It must be SO hard being a middle class white Christian male in today's society. You really do have so much to complain about, with all those gays having some sort of acceptance. All those blackies and spicks coming from some other country and wanting to take over yours! (wow, I think i've heard that before.. something like Pilgrims and North American Indians)
-I have so much empathy for your cause.

[Skittles!]

Wow, Jay

It's people like you who really do make the planet suck. It must be SO hard being a middle class white Christian male in today's society. You really do have so much to complain about, with all those gays having some sort of acceptance. All those blackies and spicks coming from some other country and wanting to take over yours! (wow, I think i've heard that before.. something like Pilgrims and North American Indians)
-I have so much empathy for your cause.

Yep, I have empathy too. Like, who do those people think they are coming to Australia these days! We have a constitution, and they should respect it! No matter that we killed and almost wiped out a whole race, this is our country now!

This made me laugh -

But many others gave their lives so that you could post your useless drivel on some website over 50 years later.

Damn, I wish I didn't have to put up with their useless drivel either! Or yours for that matter.

Jay, you cannot have it both ways. You cannot simply believe that when you post something that is asking to be attacked, say that you did not want to be attacked. If you do not want to be attacked for what you post, then don't post at all. Your thick skull is getting thicker than usual, it seems.

[jay_a2j]

Wow, Jay

It's people like you who really do make the planet suck. It must be SO hard being a middle class white Christian male in today's society. You really do have so much to complain about, with all those gays having some sort of acceptance. All those blackies and spicks coming from some other country and wanting to take over yours! (wow, I think i've heard that before.. something like Pilgrims and North American Indians)
-I have so much empathy for your cause.

Yep, I have empathy too. Like, who do those people think they are coming to Australia these days! We have a constitution, and they should respect it! No matter that we killed and almost wiped out a whole race, this is our country now!

This made me laugh -

But many others gave their lives so that you could post your useless drivel on some website over 50 years later.

Damn, I wish I didn't have to put up with their useless drivel either! Or yours for that matter.

Jay, you cannot have it both ways. You cannot simply believe that when you post something that is asking to be attacked, say that you did not want to be attacked. If you do not want to be attacked for what you post, then don't post at all. Your thick skull is getting thicker than usual, it seems.

Attack the post to your hearts content. Attack ME to your hearts content. But don't quote me as saying something I NEVER SAID. The reason for this is because a casual viewer will BELIEVE that the quoted words are MY words, if they never read the very first post. NOW WHO'S THICK?


radiojake....wake up, will you? I don't care if they have purple skin. I NEVER...and I mean NEVER...use those words you used to describe people's ethnicity. I have NEVER been a racist...and NEVER will be. Why do you guys relentlessly attack me on things that have no merit. You try and paint me as something I'm not. If it makes you feel better about yourself....I'm glad. If you are just trying to get under my skin.... you better start trying harder.

[heavycola]

Wow, Jay

It's people like you who really do make the planet suck. It must be SO hard being a middle class white Christian male in today's society. You really do have so much to complain about, with all those gays having some sort of acceptance. All those blackies and spicks coming from some other country and wanting to take over yours! (wow, I think i've heard that before.. something like Pilgrims and North American Indians)
-I have so much empathy for your cause.

Yep, I have empathy too. Like, who do those people think they are coming to Australia these days! We have a constitution, and they should respect it! No matter that we killed and almost wiped out a whole race, this is our country now!

This made me laugh -

But many others gave their lives so that you could post your useless drivel on some website over 50 years later.

Damn, I wish I didn't have to put up with their useless drivel either! Or yours for that matter.

Jay, you cannot have it both ways. You cannot simply believe that when you post something that is asking to be attacked, say that you did not want to be attacked. If you do not want to be attacked for what you post, then don't post at all. Your thick skull is getting thicker than usual, it seems.

Attack the post to your hearts content. Attack ME to your hearts content. But don't quote me as saying something I NEVER SAID. The reason for this is because a casual viewer will BELIEVE that the quoted words are MY words, if they never read the very first post. NOW WHO'S THICK?

Interestingly, and ironically, this is the exact same problem I had with that film you posted that was going to 'wake us all up'. The 'journalist' was saying 'rockefeller said this, rockefeller said that', and the film was presenting it as direct speech. In quotation marks. You didn't seem to have a problem with it there. In fact you dismissed my complaint out of hand.

EDIT: right here, about three or four posts down.

What you DID say here, in your very own words, was 'i couldn't have said it better myself'. Which is possibly the best endorsement anyone could give to another person's comments. Stop complaining. Or make your mind up.

[radiojake]

radiojake....wake up, will you? I don't care if they have purple skin. I NEVER...and I mean NEVER...use those words you used to describe people's ethnicity. I have NEVER been a racist...and NEVER will be. Why do you guys relentlessly attack me on things that have no merit. You try and paint me as something I'm not. If it makes you feel better about yourself....I'm glad. If you are just trying to get under my skin.... you better start trying harder.

That's good that you're not a racsist. Though I don't believe I called you one. But I did point out that your paranoid theory that America is 'YOUR' country is pretty absurd considering the origins of white America (and White Australia, infact, and any colonised country) - You might not have a problem with people because of the colour of their skin, but you seem to have a problem with people from overseas coming to America. Which, is a form of rascism.

Also I wouldn't say I attack you, I just merely call you on your shit. Please call me on mine if that need arises. I have no problem with someone putting holes in my thoughts and theories, it's a good chance to go through and rethink my positions

[jay_a2j]

- You might not have a problem with people because of the colour of their skin, but you seem to have a problem with people from overseas coming to America. Which, is a form of rascism.

No, I don't have a problem with people coming to the USA from overseas, if its done LEGALLY. Border jumping, yes I have a problem with because ITS ILLEGAL, and by them being here illegally effects the economy here, not because of any other reason.

[heavycola]

- You might not have a problem with people because of the colour of their skin, but you seem to have a problem with people from overseas coming to America. Which, is a form of rascism.

No, I don't have a problem with people coming to the USA from overseas, if its done LEGALLY. Border jumping, yes I have a problem with because ITS ILLEGAL, and by them being here illegally effects the economy here, not because of any other reason.

So... the government that wants us to all be slaves of a new world order, which controls the media and wants us all to get microchips inserted in our bodies through which they will controll us, the government that is engineering behind the scenes a north american, border-free superstate...

Their immigration laws are what you base your opinions on immigration on?

Wake up jay!

[radiojake]

No, I don't have a problem with people coming to the USA from overseas, if its done LEGALLY. Border jumping, yes I have a problem with because ITS ILLEGAL, and by them being here illegally effects the economy here, not because of any other reason.

Again, I point out. What is the difference between an 'illegal person' (i hate this term so much) moving to America, and to what the Pilgrims did?? Seriously, answer me that. Then answer me why you can then even remotely suggest you should be able to stop anyone living where they want to live on this planet? You are just as illegal as anyone else.

You then go and point out that it will 'effect the economy' - Seriously. This is how insanely crazy our human species is. The economy was a system invented by humans to control other humans. It doesn't actually exists, yet you worry about the state it is in?

Also, I really hate when people use the argument of 'ITS ILLEGAL' -who gives a f*ck? Since when has legality had anything to do with what's right or wrong

[Dancing Mustard]

So... are we all in agreement, once again, that Jay got completely stomped in this thread?