Bill Barr Calls out Trump and his "Crap"

[jusplay4fun]

I am not reading the book you want me to read. Just because a conjecture, a charge, is in a BOOK does not make it valid. I also referenced one book; did YOU bother to read it? Fair is fair. Barr was there; your guys were NOT and depend on interpretations and inferences made by others. Does Barr have a bias? Is he human?

The book you want me to read is worthless, imo. You finally gave me the synopsis. There is no need for me to read it. PERIOD.

Your ad hominem attacks are beneath you, Mookie. SAD.

I think you are still wrong and your logic and math, at least this time, are both faulty and wrong, too.

Let's move on.

Again, for me THE KEY point about his (Barr's) book is that the Attorney General of the US, William Barr, tells then President Trump in December, 2020, that there is NO evidence to support Trump's allegations of widespread voter fraud that renders the election in 2020 invalid. Trump continued to fuel the wild conspiracy (due to his overinflated EGO and the fact that he is a SORE Loser) and encourages people to attack the US Capitol. SHAMEFUL. Trump bears some responsibility, no matter what Kevin McCarthy says.

[mookiemcgee]

Again, for me THE KEY point about his (Barr's) book is that the Attorney General of the US, William Barr, tells then President Trump in December, 2020, that there is NO evidence to support Trump's allegations of widespread voter fraud that renders the election in 2020 invalid. Trump continued to fuel the wild conspiracy (due to his overinflated EGO and the fact that he is a SORE Loser) and encourages people to attack the US Capitol. SHAMEFUL. Trump bears some responsibility, no matter what Kevin McCarthy says.

You'd think then AG would go public against the then Presidents lies when it mattered. I guess that is asking to much of Barr, since he was a dogshit AG only only came clean months later when it no longer mattered.

[KoolBak]

Trump is cool. Haters gotta hate

*Opens moderately priced bottle of wine*

[jusplay4fun]

Again, for me THE KEY point about his (Barr's) book is that the Attorney General of the US, William Barr, tells then President Trump in December, 2020, that there is NO evidence to support Trump's allegations of widespread voter fraud that renders the election in 2020 invalid. Trump continued to fuel the wild conspiracy (due to his overinflated EGO and the fact that he is a SORE Loser) and encourages people to attack the US Capitol. SHAMEFUL. Trump bears some responsibility, no matter what Kevin McCarthy says.

You'd think then AG would go public against the then Presidents lies when it mattered. I guess that is asking to much of Barr, since he was a dogshit AG only only came clean months later when it no longer mattered.

Barr told Trump his allegations had no evidential basis and that went public soon after, in December 2020. Have you forgotten so quickly?

And where is the proof that saxi alleged for all this widespread voter fraud?

Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud
By MICHAEL BALSAMO
December 1, 2020

WASHINGTON (AP) — Disputing President Donald Trump’s persistent, baseless claims, Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.

Barr’s comments, in an interview with the The Associated Press, contradict the concerted effort by Trump, his boss, to subvert the results of last month’s voting and block President-elect Joe Biden from taking his place in the White House.

Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

The comments, which drew immediate criticism from Trump attorneys, were especially notable coming from Barr, who has been one of the president’s most ardent allies. Before the election, he had repeatedly raised the notion that mail-in voting could be especially vulnerable to fraud during the coronavirus pandemic as Americans feared going to polls and instead chose to vote by mail.

https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d

Months later? What are you talking about? Barr told Trump (in December of 2020) about one month after the election, before he resigned. Get your facts straight before making MORE WILD allegations and spreading falsehoods. I am not asking TOO MUCH of you, Mookie. I already said that and I said it twice, I am sure. You even quoted me saying so. NOW let's watch you spin and twist to say "I meant months as in......." and try to justify another misstatement. Hmmm.....maybe I am asking TOO much of you, mookie.

And John Mitchell was the worst AG in the last half-century, despite ALL your attempts to explain it some other way. And you try to insult me by calling me an old man. Another PATHETIC refutation. I am actually giving such a comment dignity by calling that refutation. At least this man can do math, Mookie. Use a calculator next time, before trying to tell me 2 + 2 = 5, or that 2020 -1972 > 50. MORE Pathetic logic from you.

And I see KoolBak adds his usual lack of wisdom in this matter. Go back to your wine and get drunk, or drunker.

[mookiemcgee]

John Mitchell didn't serve as AG in the last half century, we've already established that. The last half century (as of today) is April 23rd 1972 - April 23rd 2022, this is not a debatable fact.

In regards to the timeline of Barr going public, your right. I was wrong. (you should try that sometime, it's good for the soul). He's still a dogshit AG, and not because of a book, but because of his actions and inactions. I listed some of my bigger gripes, you've dismissed them... that's fine, you are entitled to your opinion.

[saxitoxin]

Ramsey Clark was the best Ex-AG.

[jusplay4fun]

John Mitchell didn't serve as AG in the last half century, we've already established that. The last half century (as of today) is April 23rd 1972 - April 23rd 2022, this is not a debatable fact.

In regards to the timeline of Barr going public, your right. I was wrong. (you should try that sometime, it's good for the soul). He's still a dogshit AG, and not because of a book, but because of his actions and inactions. I listed some of my bigger gripes, you've dismissed them... that's fine, you are entitled to your opinion.

If you are going to include the time Barr was AG, then the clock is 2020 to 1970, HENCE half century, and HENCE you are wrong. Now if you said that Bill Barr was the worst AG since 1973, then you are correct. Since you said

by mookiemcgee on Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:26 pm

Hillary won't get the dem nomination. That ship sailed, she already lost to trump once.

BTW, if you want an alternate view on Bill Barr (rather than just bill barr writing a book about himself) you should read Hatchet Man... While he did get end his tenure saving some shred of respect he will still likely go down as the worst AG in the last 1/2 century.

now we are in the ambiguous region. Mitchell resigned as AG in 1972, so technically, he is within THIS half century. If you want to split hairs, then you have to say that within the past 50 years, so something more precise than "the last 1/2 century." You used the very general and not exactly EXACT term, Mookie, so technically, you COULD attempt to say that Bill Barr was the worst US AG since April 1972, which you DID NOT STATE. And if you want to fall back on such micro-issues, then I suggest you avoid using general and approximate terms, such as "the last 1/2 century."

And that was MY POINT about significant figures, that you totally butchered and have NO clue what that is about. There are times for which such precision is needed. Then you wanted to take your approximate term and try to make it an exact term. NO, it does not work like that. Mean what you say and say what you mean. You did not say Bill Barr was the worst AG in the past 50 years or the past 50.000 years; last 1/2 century is a much broader and approximate and inexact term. I am using YOUR words; you set the template, not me. SO TO say that I am OFF by two month or nine months and that John Mitchell was NOT "in the last 1/2 century" is a poor attempt by you to cover your mistake.

I am glad that you can admit your mistake. I have already done so in this Forum, on other topics, and more than once. Therefore, YOU did NOT teach me something NEW or something I have not considered. I have learned THAT lesson LONG ago, long before I met you.

Further, you said:

if you want an alternate view

I did not want read the views offered by your book. Those will be brought out in the next 1-5 years as the Insurrection of 1/6/21 is analyzed, dissected, poked, and prodded. The House Democrats will see to that and will be sure to keep such matters in the news as they attempt to smear Trump and other Republicans in the next few election cycles. I already had a good idea what Trump did and say. I watched the events of 1/6/21 when it happened and watched Trump try to defend his actions and words in the days after. I have already labeled the insurrection, as well as Trumps words and his ACTIONS before the insurrection or PROTEST (or whatever word you want to use) as disgusting. I specifically called it SHAMEFUL. It was a very sad day for America and for Democracy. I think the entire affair on Jan. 6 makes Trump UNELECTABLE, UNLESS the candidate the Democrats nominate is worse than Trump.

Here is what I said already:

The LEFT and WOKE ,GET YOKED!!!!
Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Nov 04, 2021 1:55 am

Are we surprised that TWO persons full of bile and vitriol BOTH claim election fraud and cheating when they both lost their election (in different years, of course)?

I would argue that TRUMP WON in 2016 because Hillary had built up a reputation for being a BAD person who is egocentric and conceited. Hillary was MORE disgusting than Trump in 2016. I had to hold my nose to simply VOTE in 2016; both main candidates were disgusting and repulsive. I had to chose the one less repulsive.

Trump proved that same disgusting aura once he took The Office of POTUS. Trump proved to be at least an equally disgusting person (based on his vitriolic statements that he kept tweeting) and thus ended up losing his re-election in 2020. Trump proved to be an even WORSE loser than Hillary as he refused to concede his LOSS, kept claiming FRAUD, and then encouraged the January 6 insurrection. At least Hillary did respect the country and its institution enough to NOT try to encourage an attack on the US Congress.

I think that Trump's actions and statements in the last three months in Office means that he cannot be re-elected. Trump has caused in most of the electorate too much disapproval, dislike and even hatred of him, and this vast widespread disapproval of Trump means that he will not get re-elected. This situation is true, no matter how many supporters attend his rallies.

Terry McAuliffe tried to use this disapproval and even hatred of Trump to win his re-election bid, but there were too many other negatives at play that this simple strategy did not work in my home state of Virginia on November 3.

Your book changes NONE of that. So why do I want or need to read it? I choose not to. PERIOD. OVER.

[mookiemcgee]

My book? I listed MY VIEWS of Barrs actions and sited like 10 news articles... you are the one who keeps talking about a book you won't read.

As of today 'the past 1/2 century' includes April 24 1972 - April 24 2022. Barr falls within that, so does my earlier post when i first stated the last 1/2 century. John Mitchell serving as AG does not.

And i say, Good day to you sir!

[jusplay4fun]

My book? I listed MY VIEWS of Barrs actions and sited like 10 news articles... you are the one who keeps talking about a book you won't read.

As of today 'the past 1/2 century' includes April 24 1972 - April 24 2022. Barr falls within that, so does my earlier post when i first stated the last 1/2 century. John Mitchell serving as AG does not.

And i say, Good day to you sir!

I too read more than one book. Too bad your views are so narrow that you fail to grasp an exact vs. an approximation; you fail to grasp such subtleties. Debate over.

[jusplay4fun]

Ivanka Trump said she accepted Barr's conclusion that the 2020 election wasn't stolen
June 9, 2022

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/09/1104081027/ivanka-trump-said-she-accepted-barrs-conclusion-that-the-2020-election-wasnt-sto

In a piece of video evidence shared during Rep. Liz Cheney's opening statement Thursday during the hearing of the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol attack, Ivanka Trump, the former president's daughter and his onetime White House adviser, reacted to then-Attorney General William Barr saying that the 2020 election was not stolen.

Interviewers asked Ivanka Trump for her reaction to Barr's statement.

"It affected my perspective. I respect Attorney General Barr so I accepted what he said," Ivanka Trump testified.

The clip was the first time the committee presented any testimony from Ivanka Trump, though more is expected.

The committee will hold six hearings, where it intends to detail a conspiracy by Donald Trump to overturn the election that ultimately led to a violent insurrection meant to stop Congress from certifying the 2020 election results.

[ConfederateSS]

-------------But, Barr said...He wouldn't vote for Trump in the Republican Primary....But he would vote for Trump if he was the Republican candidate in the General 2024 A.D. Presidential Election...

------------- Was there crap going on in the 2020 A.D. election...Yes....
--------- 1) Many states mostly Democratic run... Changed their election laws, just before the election....Some, the Governors, some county clerks....None had the state's Congress /Legislature vote on changing the state's election laws as it is stated in The U.S. Constitution....So that was crap!!!!
--------- 2) The media, big tech was one sided in covering election news... Hidding Biden crap from the American people...With the exception of Fox news....
---------- 3) There was something rotten in Denmark that night....A lot of shady shit going down...As other states...In Wayne county , Michigan...Cobo Hall in Detroit , not only did they not let Election watchers who were not Democratic, over see the counting....At 2 am/ 3 am there were vans unloading boxes of ballots under the darkness of night...These Ballots only had...Trump and Biden on them...All checked Biden...No other people on the ballot...Those other fake parties you always see on a President run, like the Communist, Green candidates....Or any other race...Even the U.S. Senate race between Democratic Gary Peters, Republican John James were not on those mysterious night time drop of ballots...States counting absentee ballots that were not signed on the envelopes...no double checking the signatures...Matched....
----------- 4) What happened to one day voting...What the hell makes entitled people think their so special...They can vote, before, or after election day...Outside of those who have applied and been granted absentee ballots...."F" Covid....In every election...If you made it to the polls you voted, on election day...You voted, if you didn't, you didn't vote...The old joke, if there was bad wheather, voting turn out would be low....Bad wheather never stopped anyone from cashing their welfare checks and buying 40 ounce beers and cigarettes... ....You have 12 hours to vote on election day...This month long voting is crap....
----------- 5) As shady shit always happens in elections...In the 2012 A.D. election...in Philadelphia...Mitt Romney recieved zero votes... Really not one Republican voted in Philadelphia in 2012 A.D...
-----In 1960 A.D. election...Nixon was screwed, As Chicago/The State of Illinois fixed the election, as dead people voted 3 times for Kennedy....Nixon would come back to be President....
-----It goes both ways...In the 2000 A.D. Al Gore was screwed by a fixed election...George Bush's brother, Jeb, Governor of Florida...Handed his brother the Presidency..... Hanging chads , blah,blah....FIXED ELECTION!!!!!

-----------So there was crap going down in the 2020 A.D...There always is....Nixon sucked it up...Gore sucked it up...
-------- Hillary never has gotten over 2016 A.D....Election...Stacy Abrams thinks she is Governor of Georgia....So Trump can be Trump....He will run in 2024 A.D....But he has to focus on 2024 A.D...let 2020 A.D. go...Like Nixon let 1960 A.D. go...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[jusplay4fun]

Whatever happened on January 6,2021, AND whatever role then-President Trump had in the attack on the US Capitol, those events will cause enough people to NOT vote for Trump and thus Trump cannot get re-elected. PERIOD.

[ConfederateSS]

Whatever happened on January 6,2021, AND whatever role then-President Trump had in the attack on the US Capitol, those events will cause enough people to NOT vote for Trump and thus Trump cannot get re-elected. PERIOD.

-----------What roll did Nancy Pelosi , Wash.D.C. mayor play.,The Democratic Party????...Trump on Jan. 4th made it possible for 20,000 national guards...But Pelosi and the D.C. mayor had to call them up...On Jan. 6th....All the cities burning to the ground , thanks to The Democrats / left radicals...So Trump had the right to hold a rally on Jan. 6th...as anyone would....All the people coming....D.C. should have been prepared...Why wasn't it.???...Think.... Who's to blame???.....In D.C. in May 2020 A.D....Left radicals were burning D.C. to the ground..... President Trump had to hold up in a bunker underground in the Whitehouse...As The Whitehouse was threatened.....The Democratic Party and their radicals...Wanted shit to happen on Jan. 6th, 2021 A.D...There were Blm/Antifa goons dressed up as Maga...Egging on the Protestors of the Election....There were FBI agents doing the same....Just as FBI agents led the plot , conspiracy to kidnap Mich. Governor Whitmer....
------------- No matter who the Republican candidate is in 2024 A.D...Even Trump....that person will win.... Americans of all parties are sick of the new radical left running things...No one cares about Jan. 6th.... Americans care about high gas prices , food...."F" Jan. 6th.......In 2020 A.D....As American cities burned by the left , 100's died through 574 riots...At the Capital on Jan .6th....The Historic Building was spared...The Art work, The Chambers, historic desks....People were walking through the all powerful magical velvet ropes....If people wanted to...They could have burnt the Capital building down , like American cities across the country in 2020 A.D. But they didn't....
------------- Biden is President, by how....The Democratic Left burning America down in 2020 A.D....Those events caused, people to vote Democrat out of fear....Even though those events were a threat to Americans way of life....So Jp4fun...your theory is flawed....... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
------------ The one sided hearings on Jan. 6th are a joke...The American people know it...Where are the hearings on Burning America to the ground in 2020 A.D...???
------------ Just as the Left is using fear...to try and threaten the Conservative Supreme Court Judges , as they change Roe vs Wade...

[mookiemcgee]

Whatever happened on January 6,2021, AND whatever role then-President Trump had in the attack on the US Capitol, those events will cause enough people to NOT vote for Trump and thus Trump cannot get re-elected. PERIOD.

-----------What roll did Nancy Pelosi , Wash.D.C. mayor play.,The Democratic Party????...Trump on Jan. 4th made it possible for 20,000 national guards...But Pelosi and the D.C. mayor had to call them up...On Jan. 6th....All the cities burning to the ground , thanks to The Democrats / left radicals...So Trump had the right to hold a rally on Jan. 6th...as anyone would....All the people coming....D.C. should have been prepared...Why wasn't it.???...Think.... Who's to blame???.....In D.C. in May 2020 A.D....Left radicals were burning D.C. to the ground..... President Trump had to hold up in a bunker underground in the Whitehouse...As The Whitehouse was threatened.....The Democratic Party and their radicals...Wanted shit to happen on Jan. 6th, 2021 A.D...There were Blm/Antifa goons dressed up as Maga...Egging on the Protestors of the Election....There were FBI agents doing the same....Just as FBI agents led the plot , conspiracy to kidnap Mich. Governor Whitmer....
------------- No matter who the Republican candidate is in 2024 A.D...Even Trump....that person will win.... Americans of all parties are sick of the new radical left running things...No one cares about Jan. 6th.... Americans care about high gas prices , food...."F" Jan. 6th.......In 2020 A.D....As American cities burned by the left , 100's died through 574 riots...At the Capital on Jan .6th....The Historic Building was spared...The Art work, The Chambers, historic desks....People were walking through the all powerful magical velvet ropes....If people wanted to...They could have burnt the Capital building down , like American cities across the country in 2020 A.D. But they didn't....
------------- Biden is President, by how....The Democratic Left burning America down in 2020 A.D....Those events caused, people to vote Democrat out of fear....Even though those events were a threat to Americans way of life....So Jp4fun...your theory is flawed....... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
------------ The one sided hearings on Jan. 6th are a joke...The American people know it...Where are the hearings on Burning America to the ground in 2020 A.D...???
------------ Just as the Left is using fear...to try and threaten the Conservative Supreme Court Judges , as they change Roe vs Wade...

[GaryDenton]

Trump is just a liar, a BS artist, constantly lying. A lot of gullible people liked to be lied to and nearly everyone lives in communication bubbles that reinforce their political opinions. I expected his lies about the election. Trump has a very long history of lying and saying he was cheated whenever he loses. I just didn't expect 90% of his party to be that dumb and gullible. I have lost all respect for about all Republican politicians, cowards, and liars.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-l ... d=74126926

[jusplay4fun]

Trump has upset, angered, and pissed off too many people to be re-elected.

He does have a very loud, loyal and vociferous base of support, but their arguments and theories and explanations will not convince those who oppose and/or do not like him. I estimate that those oppose Trump and will NOT vote for Trump to be AT LEAST 40% of the electorate. Trump's base is at most 30% and Trump cannot convince enough of those who tend to be more neutral and less likely to vote strictly by party line that he is worthy of their vote. My math says that Trump must convince 26 of the remaining 30% to be re-elected.

President Trump's actions and words of Jan. 6 will not allow him to be re-elected. NO Matter the TRUTH of events that day, Trump RUINED any chance he had by being a sore loser, a big Cry Baby, and because he is an egotist and a narcissist. Trump is too divisive a candidate. His approach worked when he was an outsider and campaigned effectively against the HUGE insider, Hillary. And it helped Trump that Hillary had as much (or more) negatives as did he.

[jusplay4fun]

Now we learn that the "Claims" of widespread vote fraud in November 2020 (USA) were indeed NOT TRUE.

I am sure the Trolls are SHOCKED.

House Jan. 6 committee zeroes in on Trump's false election claims in public hearing

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/house-january-6-committee-hearing-live-stream-special-report-2022-06-12/

BY CAROLINE LINTON, KATHRYN WATSON, REBECCA KAPLAN, MELISSA QUINN

UPDATED ON: JUNE 13, 2022 / 8:12 PM / CBS NEWS

The House Jan. 6 committee focused its second public hearing on those closest to former President Donald Trump who said they told him it was too premature to declare victory on election night in 2020 — and how Trump used his premature declaration of victory to push baseless claims that the election was stolen.

The committee showed video testimony from top officials in the Trump administration who said former Vice President Mike Pence and White House were aware there was no evidence to support Trump's claims of voter fraud.

Former Attorney General William Barr said in recorded video testimony that he knew early claims that Trump had won the election were "bogus" and "silly."

"The department, in fact, when we received specific and credible allegations of fraud, made an effort to look into these to satisfy ourselves that they were without merit," Barr said in recorded testimony that was shown Monday.

Committee chair U.S. Rep. Bennie Thompson said in his opening statement that they would "tell the story of how Donald Trump lost an election, and knew he lost an election and as a result of his loss decided to wage an attack on our democracy, an attack on the American people, by trying to rob you of your voice in our democracy — and in doing so, lit the fuse that led to the horrific violence of Jan. 6, when a mob of his supporters stormed the Capitol."

At the conclusion of the hearing, Thompson played video of Trump supporters on Jan. 6 repeating the former president's false claims that the election had been stolen.

In addition to the video testimony of Trump officials and some footage from Jan. 6, Monday's hearing also featured several witnesses. The first witness to testify was former Fox News political editor Chris Stirewalt, who defended the Fox News Decision Desk's controversial early call on election night that President Joe Biden had won Arizona – a call that was ultimately correct.

Thompson asked Stirewalt if Trump had any basis to declare victory on Nov. 4, 2020, and Stirewalt responded "no." Some of Trump's top advisers testified that the former president was angry when that call was made.

The witness who was supposed to testify with Stirewalt, Trump's former campaign manager William Stepien, did not end up appearing because his wife went into labor. The committee played video of Stepien's earlier interview by the committee, when he said he had been part of "Team Normal," unlike "Rudy's team," meaning Rudy Giuliani, who pushed the false election claims.

"I didn't think what was happening was necessarily honest or professional at that point in time," Stepien said of Trump allies raising unfounded claims the election had been rigged. "That led to me stepping away."

Committee vice chair Liz Cheney said in her opening remarks that Trump decided not to heed the advice of some of his closest advisers but instead decided to listen to an "apparently inebriated" Giuliani. The committee also played video of former Trump adviser Jason Miller saying that Giuliani was "definitely intoxicated" on election night.

Giuliani's lawyer issued a statement Monday afternoon pushing back on that the claim that Giuliani was intoxicated. "The Mayor suggests that you speak to others who were with him as they will undoubtedly corroborate the Mayor's denial," said Giuliani's attorney, Robert Costello, in a statement.

Committee member Rep. Zoe Lofgren also said that Trump continued to fundraise on false election claims well past Dec. 14, the date when litigation over the election generally ends. Lofgren then introduced a video presentation describing how Trump used his lies about the integrity of the election to raise "millions" from the American people and spread his false claims.

According to Amanda Wick, senior investigative counsel, the committee estimated that between Nov. 3 and Jan. 6, the Trump campaign sent scores of fundraising emails — as many as 25 per day — that claimed a "left-wing mob" was undermining the election and pushed small-dollar donors to "fight back" by contributing to the so-called "Election Defense Fund." The video featured testimony from Hanna Allred, a former Trump campaign staffer who told investigators, "I don't believe there is actually a fund called the Election Defense Fund."

The other witnesses appeared in a panel: former U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Georgia BJay Pak, former Philadelphia city commissioner Al Schmidt, and conservative election attorney Benjamin Ginsberg.

Pak, who resigned on Jan. 4, 2021, said he had been asked to look into several of the baseless claims of the stolen election. One of the claims he was asked to investigate originated with former Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, who alleged a suitcase of ballots had been illegally added to count. Pak said that was false.

"We found that the suitcase full of ballots, the alleged black suitcase that was being seen pulled from under the table, was actually an official lockbox where ballots were kept safe," Pak testified.

Schmidt was targeted by Trump in a tweet after the election, accused by him of being a tool of the media who "refuses to look at a mountain of corruption & dishonesty." He rejected Giuliani's claim that there were dead voters in Pennsylvania. "Not only was there not evidence of 8,000 dead voters voting in Pennsylvania, there wasn't evidence of eight," Schmidt said.

The committee has two more hearings scheduled this week on Wednesday and Thursday.

[riskllama]

looks bad for Trump...

[jimboston]

Trump is cool. Haters gotta hate

*Opens moderately priced bottle of wine*

You don’t actually believe this…. right?

Just looking for a show?

[jusplay4fun]

looks bad for Trump...

I have to agree with the Llama on this point.

With each hearing, we learn more about what a BIG SORE Loser Trump is; we also know he is an egotist and a narcissist. With every hearing, we learn what a big ASS he is, too. BUT I have yet to hear EVIDENCE that Trump did an act or said the Magical words (or do the HORRIBLE acts) to warrant CRIMINAL intent or Criminal prosecution. The Dems and 2 Republicans have a few more days to put forth the evidence. If the Congressional Dems have presented their BEST already, I do not YET see or hear or read enough to charge Trump with a crime.

[GaryDenton]

According to a lot of fine legal minds the hearing, rather than being just a Democratic show, is establishing criminal intent. However, Garland will be very reluctant to act. Even the state prosecutors have been reluctant but Georgia may yet be heard from.

"https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/06/16/the-criminal-case-against-donald-trump

"It would have to be proved beyond reasonable doubt that Mr Trump secretly knew that he had lost the election, so acted not merely inappropriately but corruptly. This is where the high quality of the testimonies and other evidence the committee has gathered could be telling.

The second hearing, which examined the launching of Mr Trump’s big lie, delved into the former president’s state of mind in order to portray his misinformation as a tactic, not a genuine belief. Mr Trump said, months before the election took place, that he could lose it only if it were stolen. (Pre-emptively discrediting institutions is a staple of his method.) The stunning announcement by Fox News, on election night, that he had lost Arizona made it likely that indeed he had lost. In response Mr Trump, egged on by his “inebriated” adviser Rudy Giuliani, called the election a “fraud on the American people” and declared victory.

The committee will argue that this, the first stage of Mr Trump’s “seven-part plan”, established a pattern for the rest. Whenever he was informed that his latest conspiratorial ruse was untenable, as his last two attorneys-general and other advisers said he repeatedly was, Mr Trump did not deny it but, like a cartoon character hopping from floating log to log, shifted to his next gambit. In such circumstances, he had no reason to believe that he had won the election—which would be sufficient to establish criminal intent on one of the two charges Judge Carter considered. And his tactical behaviour implied he did not believe it, which could establish criminal intent on both charges. After just two hearings, the legal case against Mr Trump is looking stronger.

Whether Merrick Garland might charge him is another matter. While prosecuting hundreds of foot-soldiers of the Capitol riot, Joe Biden’s attorney-general has given no indication that he intends to pursue Mr Trump. A cautious institutionalist, Mr Garland is intent on removing Mr Barr’s taint of politicisation from his department. Arresting the previous president would make that hard."

[jusplay4fun]

I have heard and seen little from the House January 6 Committee to change my mind about the events of Jan. 6 or the Election of 2020.

Trump was delusional in thinking he was "cheated" and predicted this before it happened (IF he lost). Trump acted like an egotist and a sore loser, as if any of us are surprised. The House Democrats are trying to turn their hearings into the Watergate Select Committee hearings and are failing BADLY.

We learn that Bill Barr was correct; he had his DOJ investigate possible fraud, and was correct to tell President Trump that his allegations of massive and widespread election fraud was SIMPLY "Bullshit." After Trump went into his hissy fit and moment of rage, Barr RESIGNED. (Trump wants to say he fired Barr; I say that is unlikely. I am sure Barr was smart enough to pre-empt Trump on that call.)

So far, nothing NEW; time to move on. I think I will instead watch Obi-Wan on Disney. That will offer more profound insights into human nature.

[jimboston]

I have heard and seen little from the House January 6 Committee to change my mind about the events of Jan. 6 or the Election of 2020.

Trump was delusional in thinking he was "cheated" and predicted this before it happened (IF he lost). Trump acted like an egotist and a sore loser, as if any of us are surprised. The House Democrats are trying to turn their hearings into the Watergate Select Committee hearings and are failing BADLY.

We learn that Bill Barr was correct; he had his DOJ investigate possible fraud, and was correct to tell President Trump that his allegations of massive and widespread election fraud was SIMPLY "Bullshit." After Trump went into his hissy fit and moment of rage, Barr RESIGNED. (Trump wants to say he fired Barr; I say that is unlikely. I am sure Barr was smart enough to pre-empt Trump on that call.)

So far, nothing NEW; time to move on. I think I will instead watch Obi-Wan on Disney. That will offer more profound insights into human nature.

Reread your posts….one second you say it “looks bad for Trump”… two days later you’re saying there’s nothing new here.

Make up your fucking mind. Bitch.

[jusplay4fun]

I have heard and seen little from the House January 6 Committee to change my mind about the events of Jan. 6 or the Election of 2020.

Trump was delusional in thinking he was "cheated" and predicted this before it happened (IF he lost). Trump acted like an egotist and a sore loser, as if any of us are surprised. The House Democrats are trying to turn their hearings into the Watergate Select Committee hearings and are failing BADLY.

We learn that Bill Barr was correct; he had his DOJ investigate possible fraud, and was correct to tell President Trump that his allegations of massive and widespread election fraud was SIMPLY "Bullshit." After Trump went into his hissy fit and moment of rage, Barr RESIGNED. (Trump wants to say he fired Barr; I say that is unlikely. I am sure Barr was smart enough to pre-empt Trump on that call.)

So far, nothing NEW; time to move on. I think I will instead watch Obi-Wan on Disney. That will offer more profound insights into human nature.

Reread your posts….one second you say it “looks bad for Trump”… two days later you’re saying there’s nothing new here.

Make up your fucking mind. Bitch.

There is nothing new here; it was looking BAD for TRUMP before the Hearing of Jan. 6, Jimcel.

Jimcel fails to grasp the Big Picture, AGAIN.

Did you look up the concept of RIghts, yet? You have LOTS to learn, Jimcel.

[jimboston]

I have heard and seen little from the House January 6 Committee to change my mind about the events of Jan. 6 or the Election of 2020.

Trump was delusional in thinking he was "cheated" and predicted this before it happened (IF he lost). Trump acted like an egotist and a sore loser, as if any of us are surprised. The House Democrats are trying to turn their hearings into the Watergate Select Committee hearings and are failing BADLY.

We learn that Bill Barr was correct; he had his DOJ investigate possible fraud, and was correct to tell President Trump that his allegations of massive and widespread election fraud was SIMPLY "Bullshit." After Trump went into his hissy fit and moment of rage, Barr RESIGNED. (Trump wants to say he fired Barr; I say that is unlikely. I am sure Barr was smart enough to pre-empt Trump on that call.)

So far, nothing NEW; time to move on. I think I will instead watch Obi-Wan on Disney. That will offer more profound insights into human nature.

Reread your posts….one second you say it “looks bad for Trump”… two days later you’re saying there’s nothing new here.

Make up your fucking mind. Bitch.

There is nothing new here; it was looking BAD for TRUMP before the Hearing of Jan. 6, Jimcel.

Jimcel fails to grasp the Big Picture, AGAIN.

Did you look up the concept of RIghts, yet? You have LOTS to learn, Jimcel.

Yeah…um now you can’t even follow or make sense of your own posts.

Look at when you posted those two opposing views… both were during the Jan. 6 Hearings and responding to Jan. 6th Hearings.
The only difference is different days.

Make up your mind…. Bitch.

Yes Bitch… cause like most Bitches you flip flop.