US helps regional allies by allowing Turkey to kill them qui

[NomadPatriot]

Israel, shaken by US refusal to aid its allies in the region, is now concluding that it has no real friend or support in the US and will now have to go its own way.

I couldn't be happier!

the Syrian Civil War is not Americas problem anymore!!!

[HitRed]

Canada to fill power vacuum left by US. Promises 50 troops for Syria.

[Dukasaur]

It takes a special kind of callous to dump an ally that has served you faithfully for 45 years. Especially when you know the genocide that is coming for them.

45 years.

[HitRed]

Where is the Duka that wants American to stop invading/fighting around the world?

[Dukasaur]

Where is the Duka that want's American to stop invading/fighting around the world?

Valid point. Definitely I would like you to stop invading people. But in places where you've exploited the local tribes to do your fighting for you, you should make sure they're taken care of before dumping them. In this case, a formal treaty requiring Turkey to respect their rights could have been drawn up. That might have been violated too, but it would have been 1000 times better than relying on worthless verbal assurances. Or they could have been given safe passage back to Kurdish territory in Iraq, where they'd be safe. Or they could have been given tanks and heavy artillery to protect themselves. Even if they were given six month's notice to start fortifying. A lot of possible solutions one could think of, if one cared.

[saxitoxin]

It takes a special kind of callous to dump an ally that has served you faithfully for 45 years.

A: That's like being a Comcast customer, paying Comcast thousands of dollars over ten years, and then switching to Dish. I didn't "betray" Comcast and Comcast was never my "ally." I gave money to Comcast and they provided me a service in response. We gave billions upon billions to the Kurds, and they caused mischief for Hussein and Assad on our behalf in response. The Kurds should have diversified their product mix and learned to provide a new service other than mischief if they wanted to keep us as a customer. Turkey is Amazon, the Kurds are Montgomery Ward.

B: According to The Intercept, the U.S. has betrayed the Kurds a total of eight times (https://theintercept.com/2019/10/07/kur ... -betrayal/). And they keep coming back. If they haven't learned after eight times, they probably won't. I'm sure whatever is left of them will ante up next time we need something. No big deal.

C: Turkey is our NATO ally. People keep screaming Trump is not respecting our NATO allies. Looks to me like he just did.

[mrswdk]

Where is the Duka that want's American to stop invading/fighting around the world?

Valid point. Definitely I would like you to stop invading people. But in places where you've exploited the local tribes to do your fighting for you, you should make sure they're taken care of before dumping them. In this case, a formal treaty requiring Turkey to respect their rights could have been drawn up. That might have been violated too, but it would have been 1000 times better than relying on worthless verbal assurances.

Even better: Turkey never actually gave any such assurance. On the contrary, Turkey has consistently stated that attacking the Kurd rebels and driving them away from its border is exactly what it intended to do as soon as it got the chance.

[saxitoxin]

Thank you, President Trump, for respecting, supporting, and standing shoulder-to-shoulder with our NATO allies! Good luck to NATO ally Turkey in their battle against the PKK - designated an international terrorist organization by Canada, the UK, and Japan.

[mrswdk]

A: That's like being a Comcast customer, paying Comcast thousands of dollars over ten years, and then switching to Dish. I didn't "betray" Comcast and Comcast was never my "ally."

This is what I love about Trump. Obama, Bush and every president before them put on their sad little PR sheen pretending they believed in saving the world and world leaders went along with it, despite the fact that America clearly only cared about itself. Now Trump is making it plain for all to see that America only cares about itself, and world leaders have finally woken up and stopped playing along.

And now they are diversifying. China welcomes all and sundry to engage in win-win cooperation for the betterment of today's world and the world of the future \(^0^)/

[Dukasaur]

B: According to The Intercept, the U.S. has betrayed the Kurds a total of eight times (https://theintercept.com/2019/10/07/kur ... -betrayal/). And they keep coming back. If they haven't learned after eight times, they probably won't. I'm sure whatever is left of them will ante up next time we need something. No big deal.

Fair point. That article should be mandatory reading in every history class on earth.

[spurgistan]

C: Turkey is our NATO ally. People keep screaming Trump is not respecting our NATO allies. Looks to me like he just did. [/list]

As any wargamer should know, NATO is a defensive alliance. Turkey's invasion of northern Syria to distract the Kurds from fighting ISIS (!) does not constitute an attack on NATO.

[saxitoxin]

C: Turkey is our NATO ally. People keep screaming Trump is not respecting our NATO allies. Looks to me like he just did. [/list]

As any wargamer should know, NATO is a defensive alliance. Turkey's invasion of northern Syria to distract the Kurds from fighting ISIS (!) does not constitute an attack on NATO.

Last month an attack by the Kurdistan Worker's Party (PKK) - proclaimed by the government of Canada's Justin Trudeau to be a "terrorist organization" - killed 7 civilians and injured 9 others (https://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/pkk-ter ... s-/1580369). Turkey is now defending itself by moving against PKK terror camps and bases in Syria before more civilians can be killed.

Why do you reject the NATO alliance, which is the cornerstone of the liberal international order?

Thank you, President Trump, for respecting our NATO allies who are the cornerstone of the liberal international order!

[saxitoxin]

Everyone who is shitting on Turkey would not do the same if it were a different NATO country like Denmark or Norway.

I wonder if it's because Turkey is a Muslim-majority country so people infantalize it and subscribe to the myth of the Asiatic barbarian?

There is a LOT of racism and Islamaphobia in this thread.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, President Trump for doing what is right, even if it's not popular.

[GoranZ]

Erdogan made a moron out of Trump...
There is very interesting thread on reddit as well Need Tips on Dealing With Trump? Just Ask Erdogan

- Allies with France in 1783, Went to War with France in 1798
- Allies with the UK in 1898 in Samoa, Switched to the German Side in 1899
- Sold guns to Hussein in 1989, sold the rope to tie his noose 15 years later
- Promised Libya we wouldn't attack if they gave up nukes in 2003, bombed them into oblivion in 2011
The list goes on

Knowing this its not a surprise that Russians are not doing a lot to fix their relations with US. But they are trying to cooperate with Germany tho
I wonder if Chinese should make a trade deal as well

[NomadPatriot]

I think Trudeau should lead a battalion of actors dressed up as soldiers to Syria & defend the Kurds..

[jonesthecurl]

I think Trudeau should lead a battalion of actors dressed up as soldiers to Syria & defend the Kurds..

In blackface?

[mrswdk]

Erdogan made a moron out of Trump...
There is very interesting thread on reddit as well Need Tips on Dealing With Trump? Just Ask Erdogan

- Allies with France in 1783, Went to War with France in 1798
- Allies with the UK in 1898 in Samoa, Switched to the German Side in 1899
- Sold guns to Hussein in 1989, sold the rope to tie his noose 15 years later
- Promised Libya we wouldn't attack if they gave up nukes in 2003, bombed them into oblivion in 2011
The list goes on

Knowing this its not a surprise that Russians are not doing a lot to fix their relations with US. But they are trying to cooperate with Germany tho
I wonder if Chinese should make a trade deal as well

It's one of the big barriers to China agreeing to anything much to halt Trump's protectionism. Because what's the point in agreeing anything with him anyway?

[NomadPatriot]

I think Trudeau should lead a battalion of actors dressed up as soldiers to Syria & defend the Kurds..

In blackface?

absolutely not in Blackface
silly

he has to go full Spanish Conquistador!!..

[GoranZ]

Erdogan made a moron out of Trump...
There is very interesting thread on reddit as well Need Tips on Dealing With Trump? Just Ask Erdogan

- Allies with France in 1783, Went to War with France in 1798
- Allies with the UK in 1898 in Samoa, Switched to the German Side in 1899
- Sold guns to Hussein in 1989, sold the rope to tie his noose 15 years later
- Promised Libya we wouldn't attack if they gave up nukes in 2003, bombed them into oblivion in 2011
The list goes on

Knowing this its not a surprise that Russians are not doing a lot to fix their relations with US. But they are trying to cooperate with Germany tho
I wonder if Chinese should make a trade deal as well

It's one of the big barriers to China agreeing to anything much to halt Trump's protectionism. Because what's the point in agreeing anything with him anyway?

Its not just Trump... Its US in general. They sold the Kurds quite easily.
So the question now is... Who will they sell next?

[NomadPatriot]

Erdogan made a moron out of Trump...
There is very interesting thread on reddit as well Need Tips on Dealing With Trump? Just Ask Erdogan

- Allies with France in 1783, Went to War with France in 1798
- Allies with the UK in 1898 in Samoa, Switched to the German Side in 1899
- Sold guns to Hussein in 1989, sold the rope to tie his noose 15 years later
- Promised Libya we wouldn't attack if they gave up nukes in 2003, bombed them into oblivion in 2011
The list goes on

Knowing this its not a surprise that Russians are not doing a lot to fix their relations with US. But they are trying to cooperate with Germany tho
I wonder if Chinese should make a trade deal as well

It's one of the big barriers to China agreeing to anything much to halt Trump's protectionism. Because what's the point in agreeing anything with him anyway?

Its not just Trump... Its US in general. They sold the Kurds quite easily.
So the question now is... Who will they sell next?

if we bought it.
it's ours..
we can sell it...

so you all are saying you WANT Trump to send his troops around the globe killing POC..

simply amazing....

[jfm10]

Samoa? Really? My brief googling of that standoff yields that it appears to have been won by a cyclone. Odd bit of history, that. I think we have worse skeletons in our closet than that one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoan_crisis

Any idea what Saddam might have done between 1989 and 2003 in order to change our view of the stability of the Iraqi-American alliance?

you forgot Panama.

Saddam wanted to change the price per barrel to the Euro dollar instead of the US dollar which could have created a major downfall to the US dollar.Don't ask me for proof cause I couldn't be bothered looking it up.

[GoranZ]

Erdogan made a moron out of Trump...
There is very interesting thread on reddit as well Need Tips on Dealing With Trump? Just Ask Erdogan

- Allies with France in 1783, Went to War with France in 1798
- Allies with the UK in 1898 in Samoa, Switched to the German Side in 1899
- Sold guns to Hussein in 1989, sold the rope to tie his noose 15 years later
- Promised Libya we wouldn't attack if they gave up nukes in 2003, bombed them into oblivion in 2011
The list goes on

Knowing this its not a surprise that Russians are not doing a lot to fix their relations with US. But they are trying to cooperate with Germany tho
I wonder if Chinese should make a trade deal as well

It's one of the big barriers to China agreeing to anything much to halt Trump's protectionism. Because what's the point in agreeing anything with him anyway?

Its not just Trump... Its US in general. They sold the Kurds quite easily.
So the question now is... Who will they sell next?

if we bought it.
it's ours..
we can sell it...

so you all are saying you WANT Trump to send his troops around the globe killing POC..

simply amazing....

US bought something?
When did that thing happen?

[NomadPatriot]

Erdogan made a moron out of Trump...
There is very interesting thread on reddit as well Need Tips on Dealing With Trump? Just Ask Erdogan

- Allies with France in 1783, Went to War with France in 1798
- Allies with the UK in 1898 in Samoa, Switched to the German Side in 1899
- Sold guns to Hussein in 1989, sold the rope to tie his noose 15 years later
- Promised Libya we wouldn't attack if they gave up nukes in 2003, bombed them into oblivion in 2011
The list goes on

Knowing this its not a surprise that Russians are not doing a lot to fix their relations with US. But they are trying to cooperate with Germany tho
I wonder if Chinese should make a trade deal as well

It's one of the big barriers to China agreeing to anything much to halt Trump's protectionism. Because what's the point in agreeing anything with him anyway?

Its not just Trump... Its US in general. They sold the Kurds quite easily.
So the question now is... Who will they sell next?

if we bought it.
it's ours..
we can sell it...

so you all are saying you WANT Trump to send his troops around the globe killing POC..

simply amazing....

US bought something?
When did that thing happen?

you said ' Its not just Trump... Its US in general. They sold the Kurds quite easily.
So the question now is... Who will they sell next?'

--> so, how can the US sell a country or a region ( the Kurds ) if they never bought it or them in the 1st place...?

[Dukasaur]

--> so, how can the US sell a country if they never bought it in the 1st place...?

You do understand that the English language is not designed for logic, do you not? Plenty of expressions do not mean what they sound like. It is certainly possible to "sell out" without "buying in."

[NomadPatriot]

--> so, how can the US sell a country if they never bought it in the 1st place...?

You do understand that the English language is not designed for logic, do you not? Plenty of expressions do not mean what they sound like. It is certainly possible to "sell out" without "buying in."

then people should use proper phrasing .. like "sell out'..
don't ask me questions about my comprehension of the English language when referring to me responding to someone who didn't use it properly in the first place..

you can only sell something you own.. in order to own a region or country.. it would have to be bought 1st..

did the US not 'buy' the Kurds in the first place ?