Bernie Sanders has new advisor for economic issues

[HitRed]

"what would stop someone from just being a 50 year student?"

Is this a reference to Sym?

[jimboston]

what would stop them from doing that.. ?

... um rules.

You can design a system to provide free education and include rules that would prevent all the scenarios you suggest.

[NomadPatriot]

what would stop them from doing that.. ?

... um rules.

You can design a system to provide free education and include rules that would prevent all the scenarios you suggest.

feel free to suggest some rules for how to deal with the scenario...
the student doesn't have to graduate it's free to them..
they can just milk the system for however long 'the rules' allow them too . and everyone just pays for it.

[jimboston]

what would stop them from doing that.. ?

... um rules.

You can design a system to provide free education and include rules that would prevent all the scenarios you suggest.

feel free to suggest some rules for how to deal with the scenario...
the student doesn't have to graduate it's free to them..
they can just milk the system for however long 'the rules' allow them too . and everyone just pays for it.

If you want to move to Massachusetts and elect me to the House of Representatives I’ll be happy to write ALL the rules, along with a team of other people.

Just to (hopefully) shut you up... rule one could require some form of payback for people who fail to graduate and/or could require some sort of community service (military service, peace corps, Red Cross, etc.) to offset the cost. I definitely feel people need to be invested in some way. I don’t think ‘free for everyone’ works.

I’m sure in Europe the tests to get into college are such that they have high confidence that graduation rates are high. In the US we tend to go with the ‘lowest common denominator’ approach and so you have higher drop-out rates. You definitely need a system to address this. College is NOT the right place for everyone even though some Liberals think it is.... people should be encouraged to pursue careers that suit their personalities and strengths, and so for some this might mean (free) vocational training instead of free college education.

That’s the only ‘rule’ I’m suggesting... because the whole system would need revamping.
So LOTS of rules and tests and dry runs etc.

There are plenty of studies that show higher education is expensive primarily because there are no real incentives amongst universities to lower costs. If you want the public to pay for higher education you also have to address the cost side of the equation.

This is true for Medical Care as well.

[NomadPatriot]

Just to (hopefully) shut you up... rule one could require some form of payback for people who fail to graduate and/or could require some sort of community service (military service, peace corps, Red Cross, etc.) to offset the cost. I definitely feel people need to be invested in some way. I don’t think ‘free for everyone’ works.

free education. unless you do not graduate. then either you owe about $100,000 you didn't plan on or we get to invoke forced labor. otherwise known as :
Indentured servitude ( slaves )

Indentured servitude was a labor system in which people paid for their passage to the New World by working for an employer for a fixed term of years. It was widely employed in the 18th century in the British colonies in North America and elsewhere. It was a way for the poor in Britain and the German states to obtain passage to the American colonies.


of course a leftists would think up of this. why not.

[jimboston]

Inserting more words in my mouth.

Read the whole post.

Oh.. you can’t comprehend nuance.

... and where in my post do I sound like a “Leftist”?

Bozo

New adjective.

[NomadPatriot]

Inserting more words in my mouth.

"rule one could require some form of payback for people who fail to graduate and/or could require some sort of community service"
require Community Service to pay off a $100,000 loan.. at $15 an hour.. the "Required Community Service" your suggesting would be a full time 40 hour a week job, 52 weeks out of the year for 3 1/2 years straight...
so how are these people going to pay for their rent & food during this time?..
answer: well.. they could do your 'Required Community Service " Labor for 15 hours a week.. that is just about 10 straight years worth of your "Community Service labor"..
your plan ensures if they do not graduate. .they will be doomed.. they could not go back to school for a minimum of 4 years . .then it would take another 4 years of college to hopefully graduate..
if they have to work 10 years to "payoff the debt".. they will be broke the entire time barely surviving ..
these people would be in their early 30's before they would even have a shot at establishing themselves anywhere... finally out from under your 'Debt Labor Machine"..

at least in this thread you posted an idea.. one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard. .but it's your idea..
what your suggesting is "Indentured Servitude"..
your not realizing shows your lack to accept what you have said..

I’m sure in Europe the tests to get into college are such that they have high confidence that graduation rates are high. In the US we tend to go with the ‘lowest common denominator’ approach and so you have higher drop-out rates. You definitely need a system to address this.

so.. you do not like the American approach of Diversity Matters.. it should be based on.. intelligence levels... like Europe .. gotcha

[jimboston]

Learn how to use quotes.

I can’t be bothered to follow your drivel otherwise.

[NomadPatriot]

[jimboston]

I see you can post images.

Very good. I’m proud of you.

Do you want to try the quotes thing again?

[Bernie Sanders]

Ding-ding....round 8

Jim winning on points, but can he knock out the Champion Troll?

[HitRed]

NP is way more entertaining. Also creative. I'm not sure Jim is necessary. Maybe Jim should step back instead of trying to enforce a box around others.

[jusplay4fun]

One of the key points about several issues discussed in this Off-Topic Forum is the COMPLEXITY of many of these issues. Global Warming and the Massive Student Debt Burden are only two examples of the complex issues.

Too many in these Forum threads and in general public discourse, especially politicians, want to offer only simplistic answers without considering the ramifications of their overly simplistic one-line solutions.

The Real Bernie Sanders offers a simplistic solution (and panders to many young adult voters). As astutely pointed out by Mookie, this politician does not consider the impact on the stock and bond markets of such a radical change of the entire loan structure. That does not mean that this problem should be ignored, IMO. I do not see an easy solution. Others debate the merits of the European system.

On a personal level, my two adult children both had student loan debt when they graduated from college. I am proud to say that they both graduated in four years. One has paid off the loan; the other is nearly there.

I know several young adults who regret their major (their degree choice) as they could not find jobs in their field or the jobs they found are so low as making repayment of their loans a real struggle. This is true of many liberal arts degrees (such as History and English). I encourage young people to major in STEM areas (if they have abilities and interest to do so). STEM = Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math.

Along that same line, many Legal Immigrants into the USA have degrees in STEM, especially in Engineering. We need these immigrants as not enough Americans accept and succeed in the challenge that a degree in ANY engineering field is to many students.

Most of these problems are complex and the details of REAL solutions are too boring to many.

[jusplay4fun]

JimBoston makes SEVERAL good points here, and I will address some of them; one is comparing the US vs. Europe on the matter of college admissions testing.

I’m sure in Europe the tests to get into college are such that they have high confidence that graduation rates are high. In the US we tend to go with the ‘lowest common denominator’ approach and so you have higher drop-out rates. You definitely need a system to address this. College is NOT the right place for everyone even though some Liberals think it is.... people should be encouraged to pursue careers that suit their personalities and strengths, and so for some this might mean (free) vocational training instead of free college education.

As I understand things in many or some European countries, students take a test (or series of tests) to determine their knowledge and skills to help determine their likely success. These tests are taken BEFORE admission to college, so there is a high level of confidence in graduation from college. In Japan, what was true is that everything depends on one test at some point in their high school prep. The score on that one big test (think SAT or ACT, on "steroids") determines which college a student gets into and even acceptance to any school.

College is not viewed in those countries as an option that should be open to any and ALL students as it is in the USA.

JP

[Bernie Sanders]

One of the key points about several issues discussed in this Off-Topic Forum is the COMPLEXITY of many of these issues. Global Warming and the Massive Student Debt Burden are only two examples of the complex issues.

Too many in these Forum threads and in general public discourse, especially politicians, want to offer only simplistic answers without considering the ramifications of their overly simplistic one-line solutions.

The Real Bernie Sanders offers a simplistic solution (and panders to many young adult voters). As astutely pointed out by Mookie, this politician does not consider the impact on the stock and bond markets of such a radical change of the entire loan structure. That does not mean that this problem should be ignored, IMO. I do not see an easy solution. Others debate the merits of the European system.

On a personal level, my two adult children both had student loan debt when they graduated from college. I am proud to say that they both graduated in four years. One has paid off the loan; the other is nearly there.

I know several young adults who regret their major (their degree choice) as they could not find jobs in their field or the jobs they found are so low as making repayment of their loans a real struggle. This is true of many liberal arts degrees (such as History and English). I encourage young people to major in STEM areas (if they have abilities and interest to do so). STEM = Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math.

Along that same line, many Legal Immigrants into the USA have degrees in STEM, especially in Engineering. We need these immigrants as not enough Americans accept and succeed in the challenge that a degree in ANY engineering field is to many students.

Most of these problems are complex and the details of REAL solutions are too boring to many.

Stock and bond markets do not make Main Street, son.

People like you make things like solutions so complex, that nothing gets done.

Fukn solutions are simple to correct our issues, but the Coporate elite are frighten of them.

[jusplay4fun]

Of course the fake burn would offer such simplistic solutions and questions. If we followed his suggestion on many issues, we would end up spending at least 10 times the money and effort to correct the mistake of his hasty attempted "solutions" to the problems. The first answer is not always the best, fake burn. Ask the Real Bernie Sanders about that.

There are times when haste does not make waste, but your response is like most of your thoughts and of you: shallow, banal, profane, silly, simplistic, and not well-developed. Go back to puffing on the weed to come up with more "brilliant" ideas and response, fake burn. Burn some more weed and even more brain cells.

One of the key points about several issues discussed in this Off-Topic Forum is the COMPLEXITY of many of these issues. Global Warming and the Massive Student Debt Burden are only two examples of the complex issues.

Too many in these Forum threads and in general public discourse, especially politicians, want to offer only simplistic answers without considering the ramifications of their overly simplistic one-line solutions.

The Real Bernie Sanders offers a simplistic solution (and panders to many young adult voters). As astutely pointed out by Mookie, this politician does not consider the impact on the stock and bond markets of such a radical change of the entire loan structure. That does not mean that this problem should be ignored, IMO. I do not see an easy solution. Others debate the merits of the European system.

On a personal level, my two adult children both had student loan debt when they graduated from college. I am proud to say that they both graduated in four years. One has paid off the loan; the other is nearly there.

I know several young adults who regret their major (their degree choice) as they could not find jobs in their field or the jobs they found are so low as making repayment of their loans a real struggle. This is true of many liberal arts degrees (such as History and English). I encourage young people to major in STEM areas (if they have abilities and interest to do so). STEM = Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math.

Along that same line, many Legal Immigrants into the USA have degrees in STEM, especially in Engineering. We need these immigrants as not enough Americans accept and succeed in the challenge that a degree in ANY engineering field is to many students.

Most of these problems are complex and the details of REAL solutions are too boring to many.

Stock and bond markets do not make Main Street, son.

People like you make things like solutions so complex, that nothing gets done.

Fukn solutions are simple to correct our issues, but the Coporate elite are frighten of them.

[Bernie Sanders]

Of course the fake burn would offer such simplistic solutions and questions. If we followed his suggestion on many issues, we would end up spending at least 10 times the money and effort to correct the mistake of his hasty attempted "solutions" to the problems. The first answer is not always the best, fake burn. Ask the Real Bernie Sanders about that.

There are times when haste does not make waste, but your response is like most of your thoughts and of you: shallow, banal, profane, silly, simplistic, and not well-developed. Go back to puffing on the weed to come up with more "brilliant" ideas and response, fake burn. Burn some more weed and even more brain cells.

One of the key points about several issues discussed in this Off-Topic Forum is the COMPLEXITY of many of these issues. Global Warming and the Massive Student Debt Burden are only two examples of the complex issues.

Too many in these Forum threads and in general public discourse, especially politicians, want to offer only simplistic answers without considering the ramifications of their overly simplistic one-line solutions.

The Real Bernie Sanders offers a simplistic solution (and panders to many young adult voters). As astutely pointed out by Mookie, this politician does not consider the impact on the stock and bond markets of such a radical change of the entire loan structure. That does not mean that this problem should be ignored, IMO. I do not see an easy solution. Others debate the merits of the European system.

On a personal level, my two adult children both had student loan debt when they graduated from college. I am proud to say that they both graduated in four years. One has paid off the loan; the other is nearly there.

I know several young adults who regret their major (their degree choice) as they could not find jobs in their field or the jobs they found are so low as making repayment of their loans a real struggle. This is true of many liberal arts degrees (such as History and English). I encourage young people to major in STEM areas (if they have abilities and interest to do so). STEM = Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math.

Along that same line, many Legal Immigrants into the USA have degrees in STEM, especially in Engineering. We need these immigrants as not enough Americans accept and succeed in the challenge that a degree in ANY engineering field is to many students.

Most of these problems are complex and the details of REAL solutions are too boring to many.

Stock and bond markets do not make Main Street, son.

People like you make things like solutions so complex, that nothing gets done.

Fukn solutions are simple to correct our issues, but the Coporate elite are frighten of them.

Such barbaric words from a so-called intellectual, ROTFLMAO!

You don't offer solutions, you just ramble about this and that. Sometimes (actually a lot) copy/paste articles to make it seem like it's your idea.

[jusplay4fun]

Take a look at my last post, fake burn. See if you find ANY copy and pasted things there. There are NONE.

Unlike you, I gave the matter a great deal of thought to answer a question with many details and facts. Check the facts and statements that I posted and see what you YOU, fake burn, find are FAKE FACTS.

[jusplay4fun]

Ramble, fake burn? That is because you cannot read and comprehend more that 3 sentences at once. So much for your contributions to society or to free thought. Keep posting and proving again and again what a real thinker you are.

At least the Real Bernie adds something worthy of public discourse.

[Bernie Sanders]

Take a look at my last post, fake burn. See if you find ANY copy and pasted things there. There are NONE.

Unlike you, I gave the matter a great deal of thought to answer a question with many details and facts. Check the facts and statements that I posted and see what you YOU, fake burn, find are FAKE FACTS.

Silly barbarian...what facts have you offered, lol. To put a "great deal thought" you would need to think first and proof read your posts or it comes off as rambling nonsense.

[NomadPatriot]

Take a look at my last post, fake burn. See if you find ANY copy and pasted things there. There are NONE.

Unlike you, I gave the matter a great deal of thought to answer a question with many details and facts. Check the facts and statements that I posted and see what you YOU, fake burn, find are FAKE FACTS.

Silly barbarian...what facts have you offered, lol. To put a "great deal thought" you would need to think first and proof read your posts or it comes off as rambling nonsense.

Bernie Sanders Released His Tax Returns. He’s Part of the 1%.

Mr. Sanders’s higher income in recent years has created some political awkwardness for the senator, who in his 2016 presidential campaign frequently railed against “millionaires and billionaires” and their influence over the political process.

“These tax returns show that our family has been fortunate,” Mr. Sanders said in a statement. “I am very grateful for that, as I grew up in a family that lived paycheck to paycheck and I know the stress of economic insecurity.”

His income now puts him within the top 1 percent of taxpayers, according to data from the Internal Revenue Service.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-taxes.html

[Bernie Sanders]

Yes and he wants to raise taxes on his income, duh.

Nomad you should really think before you post.

[GoranZ]

Bernie Sanders Released His Tax Returns. He’s Part of the 1%.

Mr. Sanders’s higher income in recent years has created some political awkwardness for the senator, who in his 2016 presidential campaign frequently railed against “millionaires and billionaires” and their influence over the political process.

“These tax returns show that our family has been fortunate,” Mr. Sanders said in a statement. “I am very grateful for that, as I grew up in a family that lived paycheck to paycheck and I know the stress of economic insecurity.”

His income now puts him within the top 1 percent of taxpayers, according to data from the Internal Revenue Service.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-taxes.html

As Bernie Sanders said... He is willing to be taxed more.

So Nomad do you like Bernie Sanders and folks like him to be taxed more? And we already know where those money will go... To Free Education and Free Medical Care.

[NomadPatriot]

sanders plan states --> •A tax of 0.5% on all stock trades and smaller fees on bonds and derivatives could raise $2.4 trillion over a decade

his wall street tax plan would only generate $240 billion per year.. half of what would be needed just to provide bare minimum free college education.

How can we all verify your statement?

via the link I already provided

[Bernie Sanders]

sanders plan states --> •A tax of 0.5% on all stock trades and smaller fees on bonds and derivatives could raise $2.4 trillion over a decade

his wall street tax plan would only generate $240 billion per year.. half of what would be needed just to provide bare minimum free college education.

How can we all verify your statement?

via the link I already provided

240 Billion dollars per year would provide a huge boost in educafion for our children and also for retraining our workforce for the challenges facing them in the near future.

Nomad you ignorant weasel. Better to invest in our workforce, than enriching Wall Street