Louisiana governor signs abortion ban into law

[NomadPatriot]

You want people to uproot themselves from their generational habitat, leave everything they know due to a wind change in political climate?

that is an excellent argument for combating illegal immigration..

This, like many other "issues," is what should be under States Rights. Don't like it? Don't live there.

unfortunately I think me & JD are on the same page .. leave the federal government & the money we pay to it out of this issue..

[what,me worry?]

What's the argument for regulating someones uterus again?

[NomadPatriot]

What's the argument for regulating someones uterus again?

there is no argument for 'regulating a uterus"...

but I guess it could be the same as guns...

"uterus's don't kill babies.. unaccepting women kill babies.. "

[Dukasaur]

This, like many other "issues," is what should be under States Rights.

Don't like it? Don't live there.

That kind of logic really destroys the basic rationale for democracy.

Fleeing to another jurisdiction to escape bad laws is something one does when one lives under a dictatorship. The point of democracy is supposed to be that one can stay and fight bad laws without having to flee.

[Jdsizzleslice]

This, like many other "issues," is what should be under States Rights. Don't like it? Don't live there.

That kind of logic really destroys the basic rationale for democracy. Fleeing to another jurisdiction to escape bad laws is something one does when one lives under a dictatorship. The point of democracy is supposed to be that one can stay and fight bad laws without having to flee.

I'm surprised, honestly. The comparison of laws you don't like of one state to that of a dictatorship is beneath you.

The thing about the U.S. is that you have the choice to move wherever is the best fit for you. Dictatorships force you to live a certain lifestyle.

I will probably never live in California. The tax rate is ridiculously high, and they have laws that contradict with my moral compass. It's their choice to make those laws for themselves (States Rights) , and it's my choice not to live there. Should I compare those moving from California to Texas because they want to get away from what they view as crazy laws as that of the Dictatorship of California? No, that's nuts. It goes back to that freedom thing that we have fought for for generations.

More crazy ideas from crazy people. You want people to uproot themselves from their generational habitat, leave everything they know due to a wind change in political climate?

Where do I suggest that? Certainly an extreme statement.

If you don't like the laws that are passed in a certain state, then you have the choice to not live there anymore, and move to a state that fits your political/moral/religious/etc. compass. Either that or elect people to offices that reflect your viewpoints to pass laws you are in favor of. It's simple, really.

You should probably refrain from calling people crazy immediately out of the gate. It makes you seem unintelligent and unable to effectively present an argument without slandering someone. It's disrespectful if you are trying to have a serious conversation with someone about different viewpoints.

[spurgistan]

This, like many other "issues," is what should be under States Rights. Don't like it? Don't live there.

That kind of logic really destroys the basic rationale for democracy. Fleeing to another jurisdiction to escape bad laws is something one does when one lives under a dictatorship. The point of democracy is supposed to be that one can stay and fight bad laws without having to flee.

I'm surprised, honestly. The comparison of laws you don't like of one state to that of a dictatorship is beneath you.

The thing about the U.S. is that you have the choice to move wherever is the best fit for you. Dictatorships force you to live a certain lifestyle.

I will probably never live in California. The tax rate is ridiculously high, and they have laws that contradict with my moral compass. It's their choice to make those laws for themselves (States Rights) , and it's my choice not to live there. Should I compare those moving from California to Texas because they want to get away from what they view as crazy laws as that of the Dictatorship of California? No, that's nuts. It goes back to that freedom thing that we have fought for for generations.

More crazy ideas from crazy people. You want people to uproot themselves from their generational habitat, leave everything they know due to a wind change in political climate?

Where do I suggest that? Certainly an extreme statement.

If you don't like the laws that are passed in a certain state, then you have the choice to not live there anymore, and move to a state that fits your political/moral/religious/etc. compass. Either that or elect people to offices that reflect your viewpoints to pass laws you are in favor of. It's simple, really.

You should probably refrain from calling people crazy immediately out of the gate. It makes you seem unintelligent and unable to effectively present an argument without slandering someone. It's disrespectful if you are trying to have a serious conversation with someone about different viewpoints.

You would agree that telling somebody (particularly a pregnant somebody) to move if they need a medical procedure done is a bit... cruel, no? Leave everybody and everything you know, most all of your support systems, your job, and head out. Living where you want to is a luxury not beholden to all of us. I also dont think most people who've been forced to have a baby would enjoy your comparison to high tax rates.

[NomadPatriot]

You would agree that telling somebody (particularly a pregnant somebody) to move if they need a medical procedure done is a bit... cruel, no? Leave everybody and everything you know, most all of your support systems, your job, and head out. Living where you want to is a luxury not beholden to all of us. I also dont think most people who've been forced to have a baby would enjoy your comparison to high tax rates.

no.. I do not agree.. women have a full 6-8 weeks to get their abortion in the states where the fetal heartbeat law is being enforced.. no state is outright banning abortions before that time frame..
why are you continually trying to push this false narrative...??

would you have the same argument for guns?
should a mother or farther be forced to Leave everybody and everything they know, most all of their support systems, their job, and head out. just to be able to get a gun to protect their family.. to be able to fend off say 4 men from raping their poor little daughter or give a citizen the ability to stop a crazy guy beating people in the street with a baseball bat or to stop a terrorist driving down a sidewalk running people over.. ??

or is that different......

[NomadPatriot]

I also dont think most people who've been forced to have a baby would enjoy your comparison to high tax rates.

where are these 'most people' who have been forced to have a baby...?
another false narrative your pushing..

[Jdsizzleslice]

You would agree that telling somebody (particularly a pregnant somebody) to move if they need a medical procedure done is a bit... cruel, no?

Be careful with your insinuations. You are insinuating that an abortion is a simple medical procedure. That is simply inaccurate.

Leave everybody and everything you know, most all of your support systems, your job, and head out. Living where you want to is a luxury not beholden to all of us.

My statement is independent of luxury or preferences. My statement is about choice. As American citizens, we have the choice to leave and go somewhere else if we want to.

I also dont think most people who've been forced to have a baby would enjoy your comparison to high tax rates.

I am talking about laws in general here. No comparison was made between specific laws. I used the tax rate as an example because a tax is a law. Are there other examples that you want me to give as to why I would never live in California?

[NomadPatriot]

Are there other examples that you want me to give as to why I would never live in California?

California is now considering FORCED DRUG REHABILITATION for "mentally ill" people... --> FORCED..

entailing they take you out of society and restrain you in a facility.. until they consider you "cured".....

there's a good reason never to live in California..

[Jdsizzleslice]

Are there other examples that you want me to give as to why I would never live in California?

California is now considering FORCED DRUG REHABILITATION for "mentally ill" people... --> FORCED..

entailing they take you out of society and restrain you in a facility.. until they consider you "cured".....

there's a good reason never to live in California..

I would say there are some good reasons to live in California, just none of them apply to me, lol.

[Dukasaur]

This, like many other "issues," is what should be under States Rights. Don't like it? Don't live there.

That kind of logic really destroys the basic rationale for democracy. Fleeing to another jurisdiction to escape bad laws is something one does when one lives under a dictatorship. The point of democracy is supposed to be that one can stay and fight bad laws without having to flee.

I'm surprised, honestly. The comparison of laws you don't like of one state to that of a dictatorship is beneath you.

If that's what you're getting from what I said, you didn't read very closely.

I wasn't comparing the laws to a dictatorship, I was going after your insinuation that if you don't like the laws, you should go somewhere else.

If you're not allowed to stay where you are and fight to change the laws, then tell me in your own words what exactly is the point of having a democracy?

Actually, I see in your follow-up to WMW that you have acknowledged this....

The thing about the U.S. is that you have the choice to move wherever is the best fit for you. Dictatorships force you to live a certain lifestyle.

I will probably never live in California. The tax rate is ridiculously high, and they have laws that contradict with my moral compass. It's their choice to make those laws for themselves (States Rights) , and it's my choice not to live there. Should I compare those moving from California to Texas because they want to get away from what they view as crazy laws as that of the Dictatorship of California? No, that's nuts. It goes back to that freedom thing that we have fought for for generations.

More crazy ideas from crazy people. You want people to uproot themselves from their generational habitat, leave everything they know due to a wind change in political climate?

Where do I suggest that? Certainly an extreme statement.

If you don't like the laws that are passed in a certain state, then you have the choice to not live there anymore, and move to a state that fits your political/moral/religious/etc. compass. Either that or elect people to offices that reflect your viewpoints to pass laws you are in favor of.

Okay, so you are allowing people the right to fight bad laws, not insisting that their only recourse is to pack up and flee.

So we're in agreement after all.

[Bernie Sanders]

A bunch of men debating the merits of controlling a woman's reproduction system? Fascists I say!

I'm sure if Nomad and the others had a uterus and got raped only to find out 3 months later they are pregnant....they would be using wire hangers to rid their body of that bastard.

Fukn fascists!

[mookiemcgee]

If men carried babies in their belly instead of women there wouldn't even be a debate about abortion, you'd be able to get it done at 24/7 at any local 7-11.

[NomadPatriot]

A bunch of men debating the merits of controlling a woman's reproduction system? Fascists I say!I'm sure if Nomad and the others had a uterus and got raped only to find out 3 months later they are pregnant....they would be using wire hangers to rid their body of that bastard.Fukn fascists!

if I had a uterus.. 1st off I wouldn't be having unprotected sex.. if I got raped and DIDN'T notice I wasn't having a period after 3 months. there would be something wrong with my brain..
a woman knows when her time of the month is.. it's clockwork.. if after missing 2 months consecutively AFTER getting raped & she still do not get a pregnancy test.. she's either dumb or wants to get that adrenaline high out of holding up her " I got an abortion " sign..

no one is arguing againist abortions due to rape or incest ( which consist of less then 1% of abortions...)
--> number of abortions in the United States this year = 398,243
--> number of abortions due to rape or incest in the united states this year = 3,863

http://www.numberofabortions.com/

.. but that is the only talking point your side has.. so you just keep screaming it..

( but at least Bernie admits a 3 month old fetus is a human he can refer to as a 'bastard'... good for you Bernie.. your more conservative then we thought.. )

[Bernie Sanders]

How in the fuk did you get that number of rape/incest pregnancies?

[NomadPatriot]

How in the fuk did you get that number of rape/incest pregnancies?

it's called a link Bernie. it is already listed in the comment I posted right underneath the numbers you just read..
you have to click on it.. it is in blue..
but it is hilarious you are screaming about shit you know nothing about.. but I did mis-type. I edited it .. I said Pregnancies. and meant abortions..

[NomadPatriot]

here's pregnancies data:
-- Recent estimates suggest that rape conception happens between 25,000 and 32,000 times each year in the U.S
--> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_from_rape

-- There are about 4.4 million confirmed pregnancies in the U.S. every year

--> http://www.hopexchange.com/Statistics.htm

4.4 million divided by 32,000 = 0.75% of all pregnancies are due to Rape..
still less then 1%...

[mookiemcgee]

no one is arguing againist abortions due to rape or incest ( which consist of less then 1% of abortions...)


here's pregnancies data:
-- Recent estimates suggest that rape conception happens between 25,000 and 32,000 times each year in the U.S
--> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_from_rape

-- There are about 4.4 million confirmed pregnancies in the U.S. every year

--> http://www.hopexchange.com/Statistics.htm

4.4 million divided by 32,000 = 0.75% of all pregnancies are due to Rape..
still less then 1%...

Yeah, f*ck these 32000 rape victims, they don't deserve rights under the law to decide what is best for their own lives!

Oh wait, what's that you say? There is a direct quote from the link Nomad provided in the OP - "Unlike some other bills and other existing abortion laws, the Louisiana bill does not include exceptions in cases of rape and incest." which directly contradicts his statement that "no one is arguing againist abortions due to rape or incest"?

[NomadPatriot]

Yeah, f*ck these 32000 rape victims, they don't deserve rights under the law to decide what is best for their own lives! Oh wait, what's that you say? There is a direct quote from the link Nomad provided in the OP - "Unlike some other bills and other existing abortion laws, the Louisiana bill does not include exceptions in cases of rape and incest." which directly contradicts his statement that "no one is arguing againist abortions due to rape or incest"?

I personally do not have any problems with abortions for legitimate cases of rape or incest. but as far as Louisiana's Bill the mother to-be has plenty of time to figure out if she is pregnant and decide if she wants to have an abortion or not before the fetus develops a heartbeat.. I suggest rape victims get tested for pregnancy weekly for a month to check to see if they have been impregnated.

-- but going by the numbers only about 15% of rape victims who get pregnant actually get an abortion anyways. so your talking about roughly 5,000 women per year / 100 per state... if the 100 women in Louisiana who need to get a rape abortion. I am sure they will find a way.. or a bus ticket to Florida..
"Up to 85% of the women who become pregnant through rape or incest choose to have their children."
"95% of those who mentioned rape or incest as a reason for an abortion also named other reasons as well for deciding to abort."
"An Elliot Institute study on rape-related pregnancies found that nearly 80% of the women who aborted said that abortion was the wrong solution."

https://healthresearchfunding.org/18-shocking-abortion-statistics-rape-victims/



but your right .. it does contradict my statement of " no one is arguing againist Rape & Incest." I give you that. I personally am not arguing againist it..
this governor should be ashamed of his actions in that regard..

but of course he is just a typical Repubulica…… oh.. wait.. opps.. he is a DEMOCRAT...…..

isn't it interesting a Democrat would propose a controversial abortion bill that would instantly get challenged in the Supreme Court.. .. HMMM very interesting indeed.. almost like it was planned to happen that way for some reason..

[jimboston]

It's ok to admit when you don't know stuff.

I never said "Planned Parenthood uses Federal Money for Abortions"..
I said
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that is what Planned Parenthood wants for abortions.. federal funding..

they .. WANT TO USE FEDERAL MONEY FOR ABORTIONS.. I have said " they WANT TO USE FEDERAL FUNDING " 3 times already. can't you read..?

THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WANT AND IS..

obviously you are trying to switch what I said around into something I did not.. and you are failing.. sorry to destroy your narrative.. but it's what I do..

Good job.

You found one flaw in my narrative... which was just commenting on what someone else said anyway.

That is one minor sub-point.

Not related to the main thrust of my point(s).

How come you didn’t reply to any of my other points.

[jimboston]

This, like many other "issues," is what should be under States Rights.

Don't like it? Don't live there.

Why should it be a ‘State’s Rights” issue?

If this is a State issue why shouldn’t every other issue?

People who support the Right to Choose consider this an issue of Freedom, which is a right guaranteed by the Constitution. Why is their opinion that this is a Federally Guaranteed Right any less valid than your opinion that it’s a State issue? The last time the Supreme Court looked at it they confirmed it was a Right Guaranteed by the Constitution. Do you believe your knowledge of the Constitution is better/more valid than the Supreme Court?

It’s fine if you think so, but explain why.

[jimboston]

This, like many other "issues," is what should be under States Rights. Don't like it? Don't live there.

That kind of logic really destroys the basic rationale for democracy. Fleeing to another jurisdiction to escape bad laws is something one does when one lives under a dictatorship. The point of democracy is supposed to be that one can stay and fight bad laws without having to flee.

I'm surprised, honestly. The comparison of laws you don't like of one state to that of a dictatorship is beneath you.

The thing about the U.S. is that you have the choice to move wherever is the best fit for you. Dictatorships force you to live a certain lifestyle.

I will probably never live in California. The tax rate is ridiculously high, and they have laws that contradict with my moral compass. It's their choice to make those laws for themselves (States Rights) , and it's my choice not to live there. Should I compare those moving from California to Texas because they want to get away from what they view as crazy laws as that of the Dictatorship of California? No, that's nuts. It goes back to that freedom thing that we have fought for for generations.

More crazy ideas from crazy people. You want people to uproot themselves from their generational habitat, leave everything they know due to a wind change in political climate?

Where do I suggest that? Certainly an extreme statement.

If you don't like the laws that are passed in a certain state, then you have the choice to not live there anymore, and move to a state that fits your political/moral/religious/etc. compass. Either that or elect people to offices that reflect your viewpoints to pass laws you are in favor of. It's simple, really.

You should probably refrain from calling people crazy immediately out of the gate. It makes you seem unintelligent and unable to effectively present an argument without slandering someone. It's disrespectful if you are trying to have a serious conversation with someone about different viewpoints.

Not everyone has the money or wherewithal to just move because they ‘don’t like it”.

[jimboston]

no.. I do not agree.. women have a full 6-8 weeks to get their abortion in the states where the fetal heartbeat law is being enforced.. no state is outright banning abortions before that time frame..

... and why do you no admit that this ‘full 6-8 weeks’ is impractical.