John McCain- August 29, 1936 – August 25, 2018

[thegreekdog]

A lot of you guys are assholes. That being said, I agree he wasn't always a maverick and he was a favorite of the media (other than when he ran for president against Obama - then it was "let's see how badly we can treat a war hero" time).

Good on you Symm.

[mookiemcgee]

A lot of you guys are assholes. That being said, I agree he wasn't always a maverick and he was a favorite of the media (other than when he ran for president against Obama - then it was "let's see how badly we can treat a war hero" time).

Good on you Symm.

I'm 100% with you on this.... though I also laughed out loud at Neo's post "John McCain's tumor has done more for working class people than the Democrats ever have." It's a funny line.

[spurgistan]

A lot of you guys are assholes.

New forum title?

[armati]

John McCain and the POW Cover-Up

http://www.unz.com/article/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/

[thegreekdog]

A lot of you guys are assholes. That being said, I agree he wasn't always a maverick and he was a favorite of the media (other than when he ran for president against Obama - then it was "let's see how badly we can treat a war hero" time).

Good on you Symm.

I'm 100% with you on this.... though I also laughed out loud at Neo's post "John McCain's tumor has done more for working class people than the Democrats ever have." It's a funny line.

It was a good line; Neo is a good poster.

A lot of you guys are assholes.

New forum title?

YES! "A lot of us are assholes"

[armati]

John McCain's Family Ties to Jewish Organized Crime Syndicates in Arizona
His support for pro-Israel, anti-Russian American foreign policy was zealous, verging on fanatical. This explains part of that puzzle.

(info turning up everywhere)

https://russia-insider.com/en/politics/ ... na/ri24574

[mookiemcgee]

Oh I see, John McCain was alone on an island as the only pro Israel/anti Russia person in the senate.... another nothing burger bro.

[armati]

I guess you figure his connection to "Organized Crime Syndicates" really isnt worth mentioning. ok

[Neoteny]

A lot of you guys are assholes. That being said, I agree he wasn't always a maverick and he was a favorite of the media (other than when he ran for president against Obama - then it was "let's see how badly we can treat a war hero" time).

Good on you Symm.

I don't mourn war criminals. Especially ones venerated by the pundit class. He was a warmonger whose ability to murder civilians was briefly restrained by his apparent inability to fly planes until he was elected to Congress.

Now the individual who shot McCain out of the sky? There's a war hero.

[mookiemcgee]

I guess you figure his connection to "Organized Crime Syndicates" really isnt worth mentioning. ok

Considering the sitting president is effectively the head of an Organized Crime Syndicate, no I don't really care. Did you research what the connection was? Are you familiar with the six degrees of separation theory? Outside of an article in the always impartial "Russia Insider" news publication do you have any supporting evidence that it's true?

2 min of googling yielded that the connection is through McCain's wife's father. It's been reported that he may have worked for a crime boss named Kemper Marley. He was basically a prohibition smuggler turned alcohol distributor who was also a loan shark. He is also accused of car bombing a reporter who borrow money from him and never repaid it. Can't find anything linking him to Israel, or some grand conspiracy with global domination, or to anything John Mc Cain ever did... So yeah,nothing burger

I guess my bigger issue here is that you love to post these things, (and it still irks me you can't link them correctly) but you do nothing to vet the information in any way and you treat it like it's fact. It's not always easy to know the real stuff from the bogus, but you almost come off like you really believe any crazy thing you see or hear on the internet.

[thegreekdog]

A lot of you guys are assholes. That being said, I agree he wasn't always a maverick and he was a favorite of the media (other than when he ran for president against Obama - then it was "let's see how badly we can treat a war hero" time).

Good on you Symm.

I don't mourn war criminals. Especially ones venerated by the pundit class. He was a warmonger whose ability to murder civilians was briefly restrained by his apparent inability to fly planes until he was elected to Congress.

Now the individual who shot McCain out of the sky? There's a war hero.

Is any politician not a war criminal?

[armati]

mookiemcgee
generally where there is smoke there is fire, your 2 mins googling told you there was a connection....uummmmm
that was kinda the point.


Is John McCain a Crook?
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politic ... crook.html
Feb 18, 2000 - The controversial George W. Bush-sponsored poll in South Carolina mentioned John McCain's role in the so-called Keating Five scandal, and ...

John McCain: Straight-up, He's a Crook and Liar - Archives | Veterans ...
https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com › Government
Feb 7, 2010 - Sure, Senator John McCain (R-AZ) is corrupt, self-important, and narcissistic. Most politicians are. But few in politics have so successfully hyped ...

.John McCain Is the Perfect American Lie | GQ
https://www.gq.com/story/john-mccain-is ... erican-lie
Jul 25, 2017 - John McCain grandstanded leading up to the Senate's health care vote, then backed it anyway. Drew Magary on the war hero without a spine.

McCain: The Most Reprehensible of the Keating Five | Phoenix New ...
https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/.../mcc ... eating-f...
Nov 29, 1989 - You're John McCain, a fallen hero who wanted to become president so desperately that you sold yourself to Charlie Keating, the wealthy con ...

There really is too much from many sources to post it all, there is even what other prisioners had to say about him.

As for I "believe every crazy thing I read on the net".....well duh, its all true, you never see MIB, the clues were in the national enquirer, hollywood wouldnt put that in if it wasnt true, look at all the history they teach, all true.

[Symmetry]

I dunno, I guess that there should be a decent amount of respect for people who've died. It's not an infinite length of time, not by any means, but surely between death and funeral seems like a good period to reflect on the good that someone's done.

It always confuses me to see the lack of empathy that some folks display when someone dies. Republicans disliked some of McCain's decisions, and Democrats disliked even more, but he died as a US Senator serving his country. Even without the lifelong debilitating torture he suffered as a POW, that should count for something.

Maybe a brief hiatus in trolling him and his family till they lay him to rest?

[armati]

I understand ur point sym. I wouldnt have said a word if others hadnt said he was some kind of hero, to be honust Im tired of anything to do with him.

The thing with him, is he was an evil pce of work and americans have been conned.
From an interview I recently listened to of an ex cia member, 70% of americans still believe the msm.

Standard,........ tell a lie once and its a lie, tell it 1000 time it becomes truth.(Edward Bernays,Joseph Goebbels)

Check the short story about him from a Vietnam pilot I posted.
Thats what guys that served with him thought about him.

It was his father that covered up the Israeli attack on our warship the USS Liberty.(hooray Israel)(f our service members, like father like son)

the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
bottom of your own posts

[Neoteny]

Is any politician not a war criminal?

I mean, any that haven't voted for wars of aggression.

I dunno, I guess that there should be a decent amount of respect for people who've died. It's not an infinite length of time, not by any means, but surely between death and funeral seems like a good period to reflect on the good that someone's done.

It always confuses me to see the lack of empathy that some folks display when someone dies. Republicans disliked some of McCain's decisions, and Democrats disliked even more, but he died as a US Senator serving his country. Even without the lifelong debilitating torture he suffered as a POW, that should count for something.

Maybe a brief hiatus in trolling him and his family till they lay him to rest?

If you think John McCain had any respect for the people he killed, either directly or indirectly, you're a fool. His infamous comments on "the gooks" and bombing Iran demonstrate how he felt about the wars he waged both before and during his congressional tenure. Like, your average conscript Joe who went to Vietnam because he didn't have the means or ability to get out of it and did what they had to do to survive can earn some empathy and respect. But McCain, the son and grandson of admirals, who joined essentially the aristocracy of the military (pilots) knew exactly what he was doing, and did it gladly. One of the few shreds of humanity he had that sets him ahead of his fellow Republicans is his stance on torture, and I have no doubt that it is only, and I mean only, because it was done to him. Empathy my ass.

And that's ignoring his domestic stances, which were, again, slightly less ghoulish than his comrades. But that's a bar low enough it could be sharpened and mounted in a hole, and I'm not wont to eulogize the basic decency which he sometimes managed to achieve just because the rest of his party is trash. You don't get a cookie for, say, supporting gay rights (which he didn't do).

It's so funny that Armati has reached the right conclusion for the most bizarre reasons.

[Symmetry]

There's a near infinite amount of time to reflect on a man's legacy in this world. I don't agree with a lot of what John McCain did. I do think that it's bit vulture-like to play contrarian before his funeral.

It's not as if his legacy can't be assessed, it's more that there should be a basic period of decency. I don't think a week or two while his family organises the man's funeral is an unreasonable period to ask people to hold off.

[Neoteny]

I think, and maybe this is a stretch, that the McCain family is going to be ok.

Respect for the dead is a two-way street. John McCain pulled off road a long time ago.

[Symmetry]

I think, and maybe this is a stretch, that the McCain family is going to be ok.

Respect for the dead is a two-way street. John McCain pulled off road a long time ago.

I hope so too. I doubt that any family is really ok in the few weeks after a loss though.

[mookiemcgee]

mookiemcgee
generally where there is smoke there is fire, your 2 mins googling told you there was a connection....uummmmm
that was kinda the point.


Is John McCain a Crook?
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... crook.html
Feb 18, 2000 - The controversial George W. Bush-sponsored poll in South Carolina mentioned John McCain's role in the so-called Keating Five scandal, and ...

John McCain: Straight-up, He's a Crook and Liar - Archives | Veterans ...
https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com › Government
Feb 7, 2010 - Sure, Senator John McCain (R-AZ) is corrupt, self-important, and narcissistic. Most politicians are. But few in politics have so successfully hyped ...

.John McCain Is the Perfect American Lie | GQ
https://www.gq.com/story/john-mccain-is ... erican-lie
Jul 25, 2017 - John McCain grandstanded leading up to the Senate's health care vote, then backed it anyway. Drew Magary on the war hero without a spine.

McCain: The Most Reprehensible of the Keating Five | Phoenix New ...
https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/.../mcc ... eating-f...
Nov 29, 1989 - You're John McCain, a fallen hero who wanted to become president so desperately that you sold yourself to Charlie Keating, the wealthy con ...

There really is too much from many sources to post it all, there is even what other prisioners had to say about him.

As for I "believe every crazy thing I read on the net".....well duh, its all true, you never see MIB, the clues were in the national enquirer, hollywood wouldnt put that in if it wasnt true, look at all the history they teach, all true.

Can we take it piece by piece here Armani?

Three of your four links didn't work at all. Maybe you should take a computer class? Here is a hint, after you post something... try clicking on your own links and see if they lead where you intend.

Your third link (again the only one that worked) is basically an op-ed of someone who felt let down by McCain after donating and voting for him. He is basically calling McCain a pussy for not voting to repeal obamacare and replace it with the bill the republicans drew up on a napkin in the bathroom 10 min before the vote. But has nothing at all about him being 'owned by an Israeli crime syndicate".... Did you read it or just like the headline?

As far as your last line where you respond to my question about believing everything on the internet with "duh everything on the internet is true, and then reference a Will Smith film as evidence.... well that's where I'm just gonna have to walk away from the convo. You can take a horse to water bro....but if I'm that horse and now you are claiming that there is a hidden alien society and men in black that can make your memory disappear with a fancy device, I'm just not gonna drink the water bro.... cus actually it's not water... its jonestown kool-aid.

[Neoteny]

I hope so too. I doubt that any family is really ok in the few weeks after a loss though.

We could probably get a high-powered analysis of grief simply by surveying Yemeni civilians if you wanted confirmation of that.

[Symmetry]

I hope so too. I doubt that any family is really ok in the few weeks after a loss though.

We could probably get a high-powered analysis of grief simply by surveying Yemeni civilians if you wanted confirmation of that.

Ok, I get your point, and mostly I agree with you. The thing is, you'll probably have to do a few a google searches to find a name if I asked you who in Yemen you're mourning. I had a lot of respect for McCain because I knew a fair bit about him- from his biography, from the news and from other people on the forums.

Aye, it's unfair that he gets the spotlight, and aye, I don't agree with all that he did. Then again, when you find the name a bloke in Yemen who lost his life, I hope that you'd be equally appalled if right wingers started trolling him and his family.

I'm not saying that McCain is beyond criticism. Perhaps his service gets him a couple of days without people shitting on him and his family. Maybe 5 years of torture earns him a few days pass. Maybe dying as a Senator for his state might buy a little leeway.

[armati]

mookiemcgee

"Three of your four links didn't work at all" your right, they DiD work when I posted them.

Looks like info is being removed.
Nothing new there actually, freedom of speech and press was lost some time ago. hmmm whats that called?

Ive only read about it, first time Ive witnessed it in action. But, wow.
Talk about change history.

mook, believe as you want, if your calling other vietnam vets liars thats your thing, if you figure he or is father is a hero...go ahead.

Most people still believe as they are told to, so your far from alone.
Hell, just look at all the half masts,
Edward Bernays was 100% correct.


Maybe it just takes a few years to see clearly.
I didnt start seeing the truth of matters until I finished my service, so I can understand the need for perspective.

[Neoteny]

Ok, I get your point, and mostly I agree with you. The thing is, you'll probably have to do a few a google searches to find a name if I asked you who in Yemen you're mourning. I had a lot of respect for McCain because I knew a fair bit about him- from his biography, from the news and from other people on the forums.

Aye, it's unfair that he gets the spotlight, and aye, I don't agree with all that he did. Then again, when you find the name a bloke in Yemen who lost his life, I hope that you'd be equally appalled if right wingers started trolling him and his family.

I'm not saying that McCain is beyond criticism. Perhaps his service gets him a couple of days without people shitting on him and his family. Maybe 5 years of torture earns him a few days pass. Maybe dying as a Senator for his state might buy a little leeway.

I'm not calling up Carol McCain (hey oh) to make fun of how bad her husband was at flying planes, and I'm not going to deny their need or right to mourn a loved one, but McCain was a political figure, and a prominent one, and his legacy is a political one, not a personal one. Well, it's personal to a lot of families, but that's a matter of experience. But that's why seeing McCain for who he was is so important. John McCain has an entire pundit class to speak for him; my Googled Yemeni doesn't have someone to get his name out there.

I dunno, sym. Within the hour of his death, there was a chorus of positive remembrance for a man who lived a life dedicated to suffering on a massive scale, and a disgusting amount of it from the supposed left. Even the commie extremists Bernie and AOC were tripping over themselves to eulogize the guy. Amusingly enough, the one person who almost nailed the appropriate response of just acknowledging the tiny bit of human suffering his family has ever experienced since he returned from actively waging war was our Alzheimer's riddled president Donald Trump, only marred, and hilariously so, by the fact that he posted his "thoughts and prayers" platitude pasted over a picture of himself. Perhaps that's what has set off such a strong response. He was not a good person and yet somehow convinced so many people that he was. Maybe it's petty, but I can't get that feeling of utter disgust for the guy out of my mind.

I think I've mostly got it out of my system though. At least, until Henry Kissinger finally kicks it.

[Symmetry]

Ok, I get your point, and mostly I agree with you. The thing is, you'll probably have to do a few a google searches to find a name if I asked you who in Yemen you're mourning. I had a lot of respect for McCain because I knew a fair bit about him- from his biography, from the news and from other people on the forums.

Aye, it's unfair that he gets the spotlight, and aye, I don't agree with all that he did. Then again, when you find the name a bloke in Yemen who lost his life, I hope that you'd be equally appalled if right wingers started trolling him and his family.

I'm not saying that McCain is beyond criticism. Perhaps his service gets him a couple of days without people shitting on him and his family. Maybe 5 years of torture earns him a few days pass. Maybe dying as a Senator for his state might buy a little leeway.

I'm not calling up Carol McCain (hey oh) to make fun of how bad her husband was at flying planes, and I'm not going to deny their need or right to mourn a loved one, but McCain was a political figure, and a prominent one, and his legacy is a political one, not a personal one. Well, it's personal to a lot of families, but that's a matter of experience. But that's why seeing McCain for who he was is so important. John McCain has an entire pundit class to speak for him; my Googled Yemeni doesn't have someone to get his name out there.

I dunno, sym. Within the hour of his death, there was a chorus of positive remembrance for a man who lived a life dedicated to suffering on a massive scale, and a disgusting amount of it from the supposed left. Even the commie extremists Bernie and AOC were tripping over themselves to eulogize the guy. Amusingly enough, the one person who almost nailed the appropriate response of just acknowledging the tiny bit of human suffering his family has ever experienced since he returned from actively waging war was our Alzheimer's riddled president Donald Trump, only marred, and hilariously so, by the fact that he posted his "thoughts and prayers" platitude pasted over a picture of himself. Perhaps that's what has set off such a strong response. He was not a good person and yet somehow convinced so many people that he was. Maybe it's petty, but I can't get that feeling of utter disgust for the guy out of my mind.

I think I've mostly got it out of my system though. At least, until Henry Kissinger finally kicks it.

Mate, the guy wasn't the bogeyman. You can dislike his decisions, but isn't it a tad hyperbolic to suggest that he emerged from his mother's womb "dedicated to suffering on a massive scale"? There's definitely some jokes about difficult births to be made there, but maybe it's not the time.

Also, everyone knows that Kissinger is technically immortal until President Carter's sharpened bones pierce both his dark hearts while the Swedish Nobel Prize committee burn his prize during a solstice.

[thegreekdog]

I think one would be hard-pressed to find a lot of politicians or world leaders who don't have some issues with their past.