Yet Another Terror Plot

[Nobunaga]

Is the terror threat being used to manipulate the populace? Undoubtedly. The Iraq invasion wouldn't have had the original level of support it had in the US otherwise.

... Of course it is used to manipulate the general population (damned fat-assed reality TV-watching morons rate about 60%). But to say there is no threat is absurd in the extreme... which is what we were speaking about.

[diddle]

the bomb didn't sound like it could kill or seriously injure hundreds or whatever. it was an explosion that was supposed to propel nails in all directions like shrapnel.

and your telling me that wouldn't hurt?!?

[sam_levi_11]

the would have gone up to 300 yards and was outside popular club tiger tiger................it was two minutes away, if it had gone off id have been one of the first to see the damage and stuff.........i can only think what that would have looked like

[diddle]

the would have gone up to 300 yards and was outside popular club tiger tiger................it was two minutes away, if it had gone off id have been one of the first to see the damage and stuff.........i can only think what that would have looked like

a near death experience, lucky bugger

[sam_levi_11]

iv had 3 in a year.....im lucky alright

[diddle]

iv had 3 in a year.....im lucky alright

cor, thats gotta get the adreniline going

[sam_levi_11]

eh, that one was spooky, the first was an adreline rush
the second scared the sht out of me

[diddle]

eh, that one was spooky, the first was an adreline rush
the second scared the sht out of me

you ever seen a ghost, i've had paranormal experiences, but i've never seen a ghost

[sam_levi_11]

no, it was just slow and y painful. never seen a ghost

[diddle]

no, it was just slow and y painful. never seen a ghost

that kinda stuff really gets me going, ghosts and aliens and shit

[sam_levi_11]

lol

[diddle]

laugh all you want, they're out there, and they'll be here soon, i'm sure of it

[sam_levi_11]

sure......aliens.....maybe.....ghosts.....no

[luns101]

Luns, you're mixing me up with God again...

Not really.

I just don't think it's right of you to make an accusation against somebody as making "racist" remarks. How do you know Nobunaga is acting in a racist way? He could be a pretty decent fellow if you'd just take a moment and relax...heck the guy even tried to apologize and you still went after him! In the history thread that I started, you called Anarchist an idiot for his views on pre-colonial times. In the hip-hop thread you started out by saying "a big f*ck you" towards jnd94 simply because he doesn't like rap music. You call beezer an "ignorant twat" because he doesn't agree with you on Iraq.

You just come off as a really judgmental person towards a lot of people. I even agree with you on some things (such as rap music, pre-colonial India...etc.). For someone who obviously has a keen intellect, your points would be taken much more seriously if you didn't just come charging out of the gates with accusations.

I'm not as pure as the wind-driven snow on this either (who is).

[Guiscard]

... and would they show it to you if they did? Probably not, for fear of a run on Pakis living in London.

...

You do realise that the statement you just made was intensely racist... I'm hoping you don't know the real connotations of the word as your an American living in Japan (from what I've read) but if you do then my opinion of you has just plummeted.

To answer the general thrust of your post whilst ignoring the racism, yes of course they would you dick. We've all seen CCTV of the failed London plot from July 21st... The vast majority of the British public are tolerant, accepting and moderate and would never consider a 'run' on the Muslim elements of our communities. We didn't after 7/7 and we won't now, whatever vengeful spite people like the BNP and the Daily Mail like to spit.

Luns, just quoting my original post to prove a point...

I thought I made it pretty clear that I didn't think he knew what he was saying. The word Paki IS intensely racist in Britain. Much the same as the word nigger in the US. He apologised, and since then have I called him racist? In the first place, I only labelled the actual remark racist, not the guy himself!

I wasn't charging out the gates with accusations... I simply disagreed with the thrust of his point and tried to say why - because I, and others, know that the British people would never act in the way he was suggesting.

[luns101]

... and would they show it to you if they did? Probably not, for fear of a run on Pakis living in London.

...

You do realise that the statement you just made was intensely racist... I'm hoping you don't know the real connotations of the word as your an American living in Japan (from what I've read) but if you do then my opinion of you has just plummeted.

To answer the general thrust of your post whilst ignoring the racism, yes of course they would you dick. We've all seen CCTV of the failed London plot from July 21st... The vast majority of the British public are tolerant, accepting and moderate and would never consider a 'run' on the Muslim elements of our communities. We didn't after 7/7 and we won't now, whatever vengeful spite people like the BNP and the Daily Mail like to spit.

Luns, just quoting my original post to prove a point...

I thought I made it pretty clear that I didn't think he knew what he was saying. The word Paki IS intensely racist in Britain. Much the same as the word nigger in the US. He apologised, and since then have I called him racist? In the first place, I only labelled the actual remark racist, not the guy himself!

I wasn't charging out the gates with accusations... I simply disagreed with the thrust of his point and tried to say why - because I, and others, know that the British people would never act in the way he was suggesting.

A simple admission would suffice. You're justifying what you're doing and proving Iz Man's point.

[Iz Man]

I wasn't charging out the gates with accusations... I simply disagreed with the thrust of his point and tried to say why - because I, and others, know that the British people would never act in the way he was suggesting.

A simple admission would suffice. You're justifying what you're doing and proving Iz Man's point.

Thank you luns, and he is proving it once again. I'm glad you responded because I decided not to respond to any more of his posts because of his condescending attitude.
If he didn't have such an "I know it all and you know nothing" attitude then at least we could have rational debate and civilized discussion.

But alas, it is not so.........

Oh well, no great loss.

[Guiscard]

Well its nice to see you pay so much attention to what I say...

[SKETRS]

another racist pointed out by guis whats new??

[DangerBoy]

another racist pointed out by guis whats new??

So I guess it's like the boy who cried wolf one too many times. After awhile, your credibility is gone.

[Nobunaga]

... One week and two days ago, at the London Central Mosque, after Friday evening prayers, a protest was held outside the Mosque by attendees and guests. The thrust of the protest was against the knighthood of Salman Rushdie... but quite a bit more was revealed about the general attitudes of the speakers and those in attendance.

... From the speech of Abu Sayif, leader of the Al Mujarun (the guys who blew up a train in London). Excerpt from the keynote address at the London Central Mosque:


"Our message today is that what we see before us is a trinity of evil. Tony Blair, Queen Elizabeth, and Salman Rushdie! There is a war taking place against Muslims, overseas, through occupation of Muslim lands, attacking Muslims, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Palestine, in Somalia, in Sudan. Wherever we look in the world we find the alliance of Bush and Blair! On the domestic front they've issued so many draconian laws - I don't think there are any harsher laws anywhere in Europe than the laws they have here in Britain against Muslims!

"Brothers and sisters make no mistake! The British government, the Queen, the MPs in this country, they are enemies to you! Enemies to Allah! Enemies to all Muslims! (screams Arabic... perhaps a nother language for a few moments)... They deserve nothing but their ruin! " (enormous cheers here)...

"Tony Blair is to leave office in a few days, humiliated! Failure in Iraq! Failure in Afghanistan! No peace in Palestine! He is a complete and utter failure!" (more raucous cheering at this) "Now they are saying, they will make him a Middle East envoy! He will go to the Middle East as an envoy, and he'll come back in a box!" (screams for a while in Arabic (?) to massive cheers).


... Chants erupted from time to time, "Queen Elizabeth, Go to Hell!, Tony Blair, Go to Hell!, Salman Rushdie, Go to Hell!" ...


... This was one week to the day before the car bombs started showing up. If in fact this guy's group, the Al Mujarun, blew up that London train (as Scotland Yard believes) ... feasible connections can be drawn. Though no conclusions, obviously.

... This does not appear to be "fringe wacko" craziness. This was at the London Central Mosque... that's the BIG one downtown, not some fringe-group backwater mosque-for-lunatics in Scotland someplace. There were over a thousand in attendance at this thing.


... (Note: I had this in another post, but moved it here. More on-topic).

...

[Guiscard]

another racist pointed out by guis whats new??

So I guess it's like the boy who cried wolf one too many times. After awhile, your credibility is gone.

Will another British person help me out here? I wasn't calling the guy racist! I acknowledged that he probably didn't know the connotations of the word to British people!

I'M NOT CALLING HIM A RACIST! Just trying to stop that happening in the future.

The only thing I could accuse the guy of is a slightly skewed idea of what Britain is like in regards to racial tensions...

[Stopper]

Actually, I did wonder whether I should butt in last night, but it's probably better that I left it til this morning, (er, afternoon), now that I'm feeling a bit more "refreshed".

Here's my attempt, before I go out for a few hours -

Nobunaga's original statement which kicked this off was:

... and would they show it to you if they did? Probably not, for fear of a run on Pakis living in London.

Yes, "Paki" has strong racist connotations in the UK. (Worse, the way the sentence was worded, although unintentional, looks pretty awful to a British person.)

Anyway, Guiscard said straightaway that he realised that Nobunaga may not be aware of the significance of the term:

You do realise that the statement you just made was intensely racist... I'm hoping you don't know the real connotations of the word as your an American living in Japan (from what I've read) but if you do then my opinion of you has just plummeted.

Regardless of whether Nobunaga fully understood the words he used, the statement he made was unequivocally racist to British eyes.

At any rate, Nobunaga has explained he wasn't aware of the term, and apologised (although he was pretty irritating and grudging in the way he did it. "Paki" is racist - the etymology of the word is irrelevant.)

(I also notice no-one has addressed any of the points in Guiscard's original defence of what he said. Responding, for example, only with "a simple admission would suffice" - saying nothing of exactly what Guiscard is supposed to admit to.)

As to calling him a "dick", that was possibly a bit too far, but it was prompted by the statement (I know I'm rehashing, but I want to put a different emphasis):

... and would they show it to you if they did? Probably not, for fear of a run on Pakis living in London.

I'm not surprised this got a strong reaction, to be frank. The guy was making a really poorly-informed judgement of a country of which he clearly knows little, and has admitted as much, and the near-certainty of the "probably not" was particularly aggravating.

I personally would pick someone up for talking like this about any country they are not familiar with, not just Britain. (See past threads on Venezuela, for instance.)

[Iz Man]

another racist pointed out by guis whats new??

So I guess it's like the boy who cried wolf one too many times. After awhile, your credibility is gone.

With Stopper running in like the Cavalry...

"Stopper Stopper please help me "

The only thing we're missing is some Lone Ranger music....

[Guiscard]

another racist pointed out by guis whats new??

So I guess it's like the boy who cried wolf one too many times. After awhile, your credibility is gone.

With Stopper running in like the Cavalry...

"Stopper Stopper please help me "

The only thing we're missing is some Lone Ranger music....

So still nothing to add other than mud-slinging Iz...