****WE WILL MISS YOU CASSIUS CLAY****

[2dimes]

pretty impressive for the bow!

You have to put the big ones back. Maximum 35cm for trout on the river.

Mormon Church, which believes Jesus was succeeded by a deadbeat debtor in 1830s Ohio who heard voices that told him he should have group sex with children and was eventually shoved off the top of a tall building by his own followers after he was unable to keep his pants zipped.

Not bad but I read Joe was shot by a mob that rushed the jail he was in. Calling out, "Is there no rescue for the sons of Rebeka's daughters?"

Wiki says, "Someone had provided him with a small pistol. Three shots miss fired and it is unclear what came of the other three. His brother was shot in the face and died. He went for the second story window and was shot twice in the back and once in the chest from outside. Taylor and Richards's accounts both report that as Smith fell from the window, he called out, "Oh Lord, my God!". Some have alleged that the context of this statement was an attempt by Smith to use a Masonic distress signal."

We both seem to have pieces of the story.

[Dukasaur]

Members of the Nation of Islam believe that there is no God but Allah, as do other Muslims.

Interesting and unconventional idea. Actually, Christians and Jews also believe there is no God but God. So, according to your conspiracy theory, the Pope is Muslim.

NOI, by contrast, believes God was a door-to-door salesman who lived in Detroit in the 1930s and was bumped-off by a bookie over gambling debts. The identity of God is essentially the central differencing factor between any two religions; if one religion believes God is a disembodied non-corporeal entity and another believes God was a door-to-door salesman in Detroit, those two ideas, in fact, represent two different religions.

NOI is probably most closely related to the Mormon Church, which believes Jesus was succeeded by a deadbeat debtor in 1830s Ohio who heard voices that told him he should have group sex with children and was eventually shoved off the top of a tall building by his own followers after he was unable to keep his pants zipped.

Your comparison is probably quite valid, and as long as Mormonism is accepted as somewhat odd but basically mainstream sub-genre of Christianity, so will NOI be a sub-genre of Islam that you cannot wish away.

That would validate your conspiracy theory, except Mormonism is not accepted as a Christian sect, except in very limited instances in the U.S. only and then largely for political - instead of theological - reasons (the cult is based there and the cult's members constitute a large voting bloc, and historically they have murdered anyone who questions their credentials so people have become trained not to do so).

Here's an article called What are the Key Differences Between Mormonism and Christianity? by Sean McDowell, a professor of theology at Biola University. Even among the uneducated public, despite constant TV advertising by the cult, only 52% of Americans believe Mormonism is a Christian sect.

Mormons believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ, which is the central tenet of Christianity. The fact that other Christian sects dispute their particular theology is immaterial. Every church wants to One True Scotsman other churches out of existence. There's nothing about Jesus' globetrotting visits to America that's more or less weird than the cult that kisses snakes, or any of the several cults that speak in tongues, or any of the Anabaptist sects with their peculiar beliefs, or the Trappists with theirs, or the cult that believes Mary Magdalen was Jesus' wife and died in France. If you believe in the divinity of Christ you are some kind of Christian, regardless of how many other Christians say you are not. The peculiarities of the individual sects are as irrelevant as they are diverse.

NOI worships a god named Wally Fard, Islam worships a god called al-Ism A'dham. Two groups worshiping different gods are, in fact, different religions. That's, like, the dictionary definition of a religion. Most first graders understand that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam#Beliefs_and_theology

The main belief of the NOI and its followers is that there is no other God but Allah.

https://www.noi.org/muslim-program/

1. WE BELIEVE In the One God whose proper Name is Allah.

2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur’an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

If you believe that Allah is the One God, you are some kind of Muslim, regardless of whether other Muslim sects want to One True Scotsman you out of existence. Reading about the different Muslim sects is a dizzying assortment of beliefs that this Caliph was wise, but that Caliph was foolish, or this Imam was true, but that Imam was false, whilst the cult next door believes the exact opposite. Belief that Allah chose to incarnate as a used-car salesman is no more or less weird than a lot of the others.

[saxitoxin]

The main belief of the NOI and its followers is that there is no other God but Allah.

If you believe that Allah is the One God, you are some kind of Muslim

Ummm - "Allah" is just the Arabic word for "God." Do you think French people believe in "Dieu" instead of "God"? Or Mexicans believe in "Dios" instead of "God"? Just to confirm, you are aware that different languages have different words?

So, yes, many religions believe there is no god except God. Christianity believes there is no god except God. This is simply a statement of monotheism. By your rather bizarre rationale, all monotheistic religions are Muslim. According to you, the Pope is Muslim and the Nation of Islam is a branch of the Presbyterian Church.

But yeah, you know, whatever. *yawn* Next?

[mrswdk]

there is a religion called Scientology, and Jane Goodall was a scientist. That does not mean Jane Goodall was ipso facto a Scientologist

Is Linda Searcy religious?

[mrswdk]

She strikes me as the sort who'd follow one of those wanky new age yoga-based spiritual movements.

[Dukasaur]

The main belief of the NOI and its followers is that there is no other God but Allah.

If you believe that Allah is the One God, you are some kind of Muslim

Ummm - "Allah" is just the Arabic word for "God." Do you think French people believe in "Dieu" instead of "God"? Or Mexicans believe in "Dios" instead of "God"? Just to confirm, you are aware that different languages have different words?

So, yes, many religions believe there is no god except God. Christianity believes there is no god except God. This is simply a statement of monotheism. By your rather bizarre rationale, all monotheistic religions are Muslim. According to you, the Pope is Muslim and the Nation of Islam is a branch of the Presbyterian Church.

But yeah, you know, whatever. *yawn* Next?

Pre-Mohammed, the Arabic world was polytheistic, as was most of the world. Allah was just one god among many -- Al'lat, Manal, Manat, etc. When Mohammed conquered Mecca and imposed his particular brand of Monotheism on the city, it was not about some vague concept of "god in general" but one specific god being elevated above all others before completely subsuming and eradicating the worship of the others. The god named Allah is a specific God.

Much the same happened when the cult of Yahweh forced out the cults of Ba'al and other gods the Jews had worshipped during their polytheistic days. Yahweh was God with a capital G, not just a god, but the one you can't have any others before.

You can have a lower-case allah, but that's not the one handing out the 72 virgins.

[saxitoxin]

The main belief of the NOI and its followers is that there is no other God but Allah.

If you believe that Allah is the One God, you are some kind of Muslim

Ummm - "Allah" is just the Arabic word for "God." Do you think French people believe in "Dieu" instead of "God"? Or Mexicans believe in "Dios" instead of "God"? Just to confirm, you are aware that different languages have different words?

So, yes, many religions believe there is no god except God. Christianity believes there is no god except God. This is simply a statement of monotheism. By your rather bizarre rationale, all monotheistic religions are Muslim. According to you, the Pope is Muslim and the Nation of Islam is a branch of the Presbyterian Church.

But yeah, you know, whatever. *yawn* Next?

Pre-Mohammed, the Arabic world was polytheistic, as was most of the world. Allah was just one god among many -- Al'lat, Manal, Manat, etc. When Mohammed conquered Mecca and imposed his particular brand of Monotheism on the city, it was not about some vague concept of "god in general" but one specific god being elevated above all others before completely subsuming and eradicating the worship of the others. The god named Allah is a specific God.

Much the same happened when the cult of Yahweh forced out the cults of Ba'al and other gods the Jews had worshipped during their polytheistic days. Yahweh was God with a capital G, not just a god, but the one you can't have any others before.

You can have a lower-case allah, but that's not the one handing out the 72 virgins.

Sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't even know what part of the mud pit to start digging from on this one. It's like a homemade jumbalaya of some real facts mixed with slogans you heard mixed with some stuff you read on one of tzor's reliable websites, ObamaBirthCertificate.HallelujahWiki.blogspot.mx or whatever.

Yahweh was the personal name Israelites used to refer to God which is the same God worshiped by Ishmaelites. "Allah" is a vocational title, not a personal name. You might call your proctologist Steve Starsky "Doctor" or "Doc" but your use of a different title doesn't cause two proctologists named Steve Starsky to materialize.

Duk - My neighbor, Fred, is a firefighter. Therefore, there are no firefighters in Alberta because Fred lives in Ontario.

[2dimes]

Saxi, how high up in the Nation of Islam are you?

[saxitoxin]

Saxi, how high up in the Nation of Islam are you?

Higher than Steve Starsky but not as deep.

[warmonger1981]

I would look into Theonym or Etymology to better understand words and their origins.


Tetragrammaton
The name "YHWH" is probably derived from the Hebrew triconsonantal root היה (h-y-h), "to be", become, come to pass", with a third person masculine y- prefix, equivalent to English "he".[6][8][9] It is connected to the passage in Exodus 3:14 in which God gives his name as אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה (Ehyeh asher Ehyeh), where the verb[which?], translated most basically as "I Am that I Am", or "I shall be what I shall be", "I shall be what I am"[10] or "I will become what I choose to become",[11] " I Will Become whatsoever I please".[12] יהוה with the vocalization "Yahweh" could theoretically be a hif'il (causative) verb inflection of root HWH, with a meaning something like "he who causes to exist" (the creator deity) or "who gives life" (the root idea of the word being "to breathe", and hence, "to live").[13][14] As a qal (basic stem) verb inflection, it could mean "he who is, who exists".[8]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton

I say we just be generic and use God. It's much easier than dissecting words.



Mormon religion was created by Freemasons. Freemasonry actually wanted them to stop calling themselves (Mormons) Freemasons. But yeah there's many stories about the Mormons. Odd undergarments for protection from evil. Repopulate planets with your significant other. Jesus was in America.


I'm actually reading a book called " The Secret Destiny of America" by Manley P. Hall who was a Freemason.

[Dukasaur]

The main belief of the NOI and its followers is that there is no other God but Allah.

If you believe that Allah is the One God, you are some kind of Muslim

Ummm - "Allah" is just the Arabic word for "God." Do you think French people believe in "Dieu" instead of "God"? Or Mexicans believe in "Dios" instead of "God"? Just to confirm, you are aware that different languages have different words?

So, yes, many religions believe there is no god except God. Christianity believes there is no god except God. This is simply a statement of monotheism. By your rather bizarre rationale, all monotheistic religions are Muslim. According to you, the Pope is Muslim and the Nation of Islam is a branch of the Presbyterian Church.

But yeah, you know, whatever. *yawn* Next?

Pre-Mohammed, the Arabic world was polytheistic, as was most of the world. Allah was just one god among many -- Al'lat, Manal, Manat, etc. When Mohammed conquered Mecca and imposed his particular brand of Monotheism on the city, it was not about some vague concept of "god in general" but one specific god being elevated above all others before completely subsuming and eradicating the worship of the others. The god named Allah is a specific God.

Much the same happened when the cult of Yahweh forced out the cults of Ba'al and other gods the Jews had worshipped during their polytheistic days. Yahweh was God with a capital G, not just a god, but the one you can't have any others before.

You can have a lower-case allah, but that's not the one handing out the 72 virgins.

Sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't even know what part of the mud pit to start digging from on this one. It's like a homemade jumbalaya of some real facts mixed with slogans you heard mixed with some stuff you read on one of tzor's reliable websites, ObamaBirthCertificate.HallelujahWiki.blogspot.mx or whatever.

Yahweh was the personal name Israelites used to refer to God which is the same God worshiped by Ishmaelites. "Allah" is a vocational title, not a personal name. You might call your proctologist Steve Starsky "Doctor" or "Doc" but your use of a different title doesn't cause two proctologists named Steve Starsky to materialize.

Duk - My neighbor, Fred, is a firefighter. Therefore, there are no firefighters in Alberta because Fred lives in Ontario.

As usual you go through many spastic twists and turns as you wave your hands around and sing "Abracadabra" in a dozen voices, and maybe the weak-minded will be taken in by your bullshit, but bullshit it is.

I'm sorry if you're embarrassed to have the Nation of Islam as part of your movement, but part of your movement it is. NOI members recognize the Koran, they recognize Mohammed as a precursor to the Mahdi (as do many of the minor Islamic sects), they believe that Allah (the same Allah mentioned in the aforementioned Koran by the aforementioned Mohammed) is the one true god, they hate Jews, and they take on Arabic names even if they don't speak Arabic. They are part of the Islamic world just as much as Mormons are part of the Christian world and Hare Krishnas are part of the Hindu world. Oddball sects don't cease to be part of a religion just because they are embarrassing to the mainstream sects.

You're like Sinn Fein trying to disown the Provos. Nobody believes you.

[saxitoxin]

The main belief of the NOI and its followers is that there is no other God but Allah.

If you believe that Allah is the One God, you are some kind of Muslim

Ummm - "Allah" is just the Arabic word for "God." Do you think French people believe in "Dieu" instead of "God"? Or Mexicans believe in "Dios" instead of "God"? Just to confirm, you are aware that different languages have different words?

So, yes, many religions believe there is no god except God. Christianity believes there is no god except God. This is simply a statement of monotheism. By your rather bizarre rationale, all monotheistic religions are Muslim. According to you, the Pope is Muslim and the Nation of Islam is a branch of the Presbyterian Church.

But yeah, you know, whatever. *yawn* Next?

Pre-Mohammed, the Arabic world was polytheistic, as was most of the world. Allah was just one god among many -- Al'lat, Manal, Manat, etc. When Mohammed conquered Mecca and imposed his particular brand of Monotheism on the city, it was not about some vague concept of "god in general" but one specific god being elevated above all others before completely subsuming and eradicating the worship of the others. The god named Allah is a specific God.

Much the same happened when the cult of Yahweh forced out the cults of Ba'al and other gods the Jews had worshipped during their polytheistic days. Yahweh was God with a capital G, not just a god, but the one you can't have any others before.

You can have a lower-case allah, but that's not the one handing out the 72 virgins.

Sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't even know what part of the mud pit to start digging from on this one. It's like a homemade jumbalaya of some real facts mixed with slogans you heard mixed with some stuff you read on one of tzor's reliable websites, ObamaBirthCertificate.HallelujahWiki.blogspot.mx or whatever.

Yahweh was the personal name Israelites used to refer to God which is the same God worshiped by Ishmaelites. "Allah" is a vocational title, not a personal name. You might call your proctologist Steve Starsky "Doctor" or "Doc" but your use of a different title doesn't cause two proctologists named Steve Starsky to materialize.

Duk - My neighbor, Fred, is a firefighter. Therefore, there are no firefighters in Alberta because Fred lives in Ontario.

As usual you go through many spastic twists and turns as you wave your hands around and sing "Abracadabra" in a dozen voices, and maybe the weak-minded will be taken in by your bullshit, but bullshit it is.

I'm sorry if you're embarrassed to have the Nation of Islam as part of your movement, but part of your movement it is. NOI members recognize the Koran, they recognize Mohammed as a precursor to the Mahdi (as do many of the minor Islamic sects), they believe that Allah (the same Allah mentioned in the aforementioned Koran by the aforementioned Mohammed) is the one true god, they hate Jews, and they take on Arabic names even if they don't speak Arabic. They are part of the Islamic world just as much as Mormons are part of the Christian world and Hare Krishnas are part of the Hindu world. Oddball sects don't cease to be part of a religion just because they are embarrassing to the mainstream sects.

You're like Sinn Fein trying to disown the Provos. Nobody believes you.

yeah yeah, whatever

[Dukasaur]

yeah yeah, whatever

Thank you for surrendering graciously...

[2dimes]

That was something special Duk but I have to giggle. The fact is the Mormons don't even believe God is God. "As we are they once were.."

So saying "they believe in the divinity of..." Is a bit questionable, no?

[ConfederateSS]

--------Jackie Robinson ,Rosa Parks, Fredreick Douglas...all fought injustice without the need to change their name...

Leaving aside the fact that Frederick Douglass did in fact change his name (he was born Frederick Bailey), I'm not sure I see the point of this argument. However, it does give me leave to consider you a fucked up person for playing RIsk games under the moniker "ConfederateSS" instead of your birth name. I recommend that you change your username immediately to avoid the possible appearance of hypocrisy.

---------------------THIS IS JUST FOR **METS**.....No one else....--------------------------
---------Fred took his wife's name when he was married. Fred was a trend setter.(So,Blah,Blah,Blah...it's true peanut gallery...Mets you didn't feel like letting everyone know that fact. Something the jacked up media would do. I'm very disappointed in you Mets. ). I still get to call him FRED not ali.
---------I was going to use my slave name...THE MAN... But I went with my Confirmation name instead. .....But feel free in calling me THE MAN...Anytime you want...ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

[thegreekdog]

I have two comments:

(1) Only on CC would a thread be created to celebrate the life of the greatest boxer and perhaps greatest personalities in American history where the OP is misguided at best, the discussion devolves into one about religion, and Metsfanmax gets a quantum physics win.

(2) This thread is pure Saxitoxin gold. I'm bookmarking this for further reference/laughter.

[The asylum]

----------THE WORLD IS GOING TO MISS YOU CASSIUS CLAY.... ..I DON'T BELIEVE IN PEOPLE WHO CHANGE THEIR NAME. ...I CALL'em WHAT THEIR MOMMA GAVE'em....I just hope you were not Jn(Owen)...Here at C.C....Waiting for C.C.'s GREAT ONE TO RETURN....We'll leave a candle lite just in case. ....FLOAT LIKE A BUTTER FLY STING LIKE A BEE....THE GREATEST IS ROUNDING EARTH AND DANCING WITH THE HOLY TRINITY. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

I find it funny that someone with the username of confederates is praising a black supremacist racist! I could pull numerous Ali quotes out where he says he doesn't like whites and the white man is a blue eyed devil. What I find even funnier though is that cassius changed his name due to him regarding it as being his slave name to that of a false prophet that didn't think twice about enslaving blacks.

Also, Henry Cooper had him knocked the f*ck out but his corner cheated by cutting his glove to give him quite a bit of time to recover from Henry's hammer. I won't miss the racist thing one bit!

[Metsfanmax]

The main belief of the NOI and its followers is that there is no other God but Allah.

If you believe that Allah is the One God, you are some kind of Muslim

Ummm - "Allah" is just the Arabic word for "God." Do you think French people believe in "Dieu" instead of "God"? Or Mexicans believe in "Dios" instead of "God"? Just to confirm, you are aware that different languages have different words?

So, yes, many religions believe there is no god except God. Christianity believes there is no god except God. This is simply a statement of monotheism. By your rather bizarre rationale, all monotheistic religions are Muslim. According to you, the Pope is Muslim and the Nation of Islam is a branch of the Presbyterian Church.

But yeah, you know, whatever. *yawn* Next?

Pre-Mohammed, the Arabic world was polytheistic, as was most of the world. Allah was just one god among many -- Al'lat, Manal, Manat, etc. When Mohammed conquered Mecca and imposed his particular brand of Monotheism on the city, it was not about some vague concept of "god in general" but one specific god being elevated above all others before completely subsuming and eradicating the worship of the others. The god named Allah is a specific God.

Much the same happened when the cult of Yahweh forced out the cults of Ba'al and other gods the Jews had worshipped during their polytheistic days. Yahweh was God with a capital G, not just a god, but the one you can't have any others before.

You can have a lower-case allah, but that's not the one handing out the 72 virgins.

Sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't even know what part of the mud pit to start digging from on this one. It's like a homemade jumbalaya of some real facts mixed with slogans you heard mixed with some stuff you read on one of tzor's reliable websites, ObamaBirthCertificate.HallelujahWiki.blogspot.mx or whatever.

Yahweh was the personal name Israelites used to refer to God which is the same God worshiped by Ishmaelites. "Allah" is a vocational title, not a personal name. You might call your proctologist Steve Starsky "Doctor" or "Doc" but your use of a different title doesn't cause two proctologists named Steve Starsky to materialize.

Duk - My neighbor, Fred, is a firefighter. Therefore, there are no firefighters in Alberta because Fred lives in Ontario.

As usual you go through many spastic twists and turns as you wave your hands around and sing "Abracadabra" in a dozen voices, and maybe the weak-minded will be taken in by your bullshit, but bullshit it is.

I'm sorry if you're embarrassed to have the Nation of Islam as part of your movement, but part of your movement it is. NOI members recognize the Koran, they recognize Mohammed as a precursor to the Mahdi (as do many of the minor Islamic sects), they believe that Allah (the same Allah mentioned in the aforementioned Koran by the aforementioned Mohammed) is the one true god, they hate Jews, and they take on Arabic names even if they don't speak Arabic. They are part of the Islamic world just as much as Mormons are part of the Christian world and Hare Krishnas are part of the Hindu world. Oddball sects don't cease to be part of a religion just because they are embarrassing to the mainstream sects.

You're like Sinn Fein trying to disown the Provos. Nobody believes you.

I don't think you could have failed to respond to saxi's argument any harder than you did here.

[thegreekdog]

I don't think you could have failed to respond to saxi's argument any harder than you did here.

It is both painful and hysterical to watch someone devolve when he tries so hard to not admit he is wrong.

[Dukasaur]

I don't think you could have failed to respond to saxi's argument any harder than you did here.

It is both painful and hysterical to watch someone devolve when he tries so hard to not admit he is wrong.

I assume you agree with him, then, that the Nation of Islam is not Islamic just because it's not in line the the mainstream sects.

I'd love to hear your reasoning.

I trust you'll bring something more substantive to the table than saxi's smoke and mirrors.

I don't think you could have failed to respond to saxi's argument any harder than you did here.

His last "argument" did not deserve a response. He tried some smoke and mirrors to deny the fact that pre-Mohammed, Allah was just one god among many in the polytheistic Arab world. I wasn't about to dignify that with a response, first, because it's so obviously false, second, because he made some ridiculous assertion that I got it from some questionable website when in fact it is basic established World Religions 101 material, and third and most importantly, because we were getting further and further from the central point of the discussion, that oddball sects are still part of the movement they belong to, even if the mainstream sects are embarrassed by them and try to define them out of existence.

And if you do want to follow up, also, at least have the decency to educate yourself about the Arabic pantheon before you start making snarky comments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_pre-Islamic_Arabia#Mecca

[mrswdk]

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/6 ... -of-islam/

Duk is either a total crackpot or 2016's answer to Copernicus.

[Dukasaur]

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/656/viewall/what-s-in-name-problem-with-nation-of-islam/

Duk is either a total crackpot or 2016's answer to Copernicus.

So, let me get this straight.. you're going to cite a mainstream Sunni website that denies that an unorthodox sect is "real" Islam.

What's next, a mainstream Leninist website that denies that Trotsky is a real communist? A Catholic website that denies the Gnostics are real Christians?

Of course the orthodox core of any religion is going to deny membership to unorthodox fringe group. Fringe groups tend to produce bad PR for the establishment and the establishment does everything possible to distance itself.

[thegreekdog]

I don't think you could have failed to respond to saxi's argument any harder than you did here.

It is both painful and hysterical to watch someone devolve when he tries so hard to not admit he is wrong.

I assume you agree with him, then, that the Nation of Islam is not Islamic just because it's not in line the the mainstream sects.

I'd love to hear your reasoning.

I trust you'll bring something more substantive to the table than saxi's smoke and mirrors.

I recommend you go back to the beginning of this thread, specifically wherein you talk about the irony of a black rights/power group adopting Islam because it's "an Arab religion" and Arab's oppress blacks and then read Saxi's response. Everything else you've typed in this thread is a feeble attempt to justify your first post because you won't admit that you're wrong.

Let me ask a different question - Do you find it ironic that blacks have adopted white Christian names and Christian religions when white Christians oppressed them as recently as 1865 or 1965 (or perhaps yesterday)?

[Dukasaur]

I don't think you could have failed to respond to saxi's argument any harder than you did here.

It is both painful and hysterical to watch someone devolve when he tries so hard to not admit he is wrong.

I assume you agree with him, then, that the Nation of Islam is not Islamic just because it's not in line the the mainstream sects.

I'd love to hear your reasoning.

I trust you'll bring something more substantive to the table than saxi's smoke and mirrors.

I recommend you go back to the beginning of this thread, specifically wherein you talk about the irony of a black rights/power group adopting Islam because it's "an Arab religion" and Arab's oppress blacks and then read Saxi's response. Everything else you've typed in this thread is a feeble attempt to justify your first post because you won't admit that you're wrong.

Let me ask a different question - Do you find it ironic that blacks have adopted white Christian names and Christian religions when white Christians oppressed them as recently as 1865 or 1965 (or perhaps yesterday)?

Whites who happened to be members of Christian churches may have oppressed blacks, but the churches themselves for the most part were opposed to slavery. (Yes, I know that not ALL churches were opposed to slavery, but on balance far more preachers opposed it than supported it.) The Abolitionist movement was "partly fueled by the religious fervor of the Second Great Awakening, which prompted many people to advocate for emancipation on religious grounds" and from start to finish had strong religious overtones. "By stressing the moral imperative to end sinful practices and each person’s responsibility to uphold God’s will in society, preachers like Lyman Beecher, Nathaniel Taylor, and Charles G. Finney in what came to be called the Second Great Awakening led massive religious revivals in the 1820s that gave a major impetus to the later emergence of abolitionism as well as to such other reforming crusades as temperance, pacifism, and women’s rights." http://www.history.com/topics/black-history/abolitionist-movement

In the 1960s Civil Rights movement Christian churches were again front-and-centre in the fight for civil liberties for blacks.

Today, Christian churches are still fighting, now on new battlegrounds in Asia and Africa, against the institution of slavery in all its forms.

So the short answer is "no" I do not find it ironic. I can see why blacks feel an attraction to Christianity.

Christianity as far back as its dim origins in the days of the Roman Empire was seen as a force for the emancipation of slaves. Yes, persons who coincidentally were Christians did run the slave trade, but they were mainly of the mercantile class, and presumably not very devout. Whenever one comes across a mention of clergymen with respect to slavery, they are almost always (and yes, I'll grant there are exceptions, which is why I stress almost always) seen as either opposing the institution, or at the very least advocating more humane treatment of the slaves.

[mrswdk]

LOL

So when some Arabs enslave some black people, they are the oppressors of black people and black people should reject all things Arab, but when some Christians enslave some black people it is just an anomaly and a small number of Christians should not be allowed to smear an entire religion.

You really are plumbing the depths in this thread, Duk.