Trump not a Christian!

[warmonger1981]

Remember the Pope is a Jesuit. Jesuits are masters of word play. Walls either means physical walls or psychological/political walls. Bridges either means physical bridges to go over or political/psychological bridges. Does anyone really think the Pope means physical walls or bridges? I believe he doesn't mean physical but he knows people will see it that way. It's a word game.

[GoranZ]

Remember the Pope is a Jesuit. Jesuits are masters of word play. Walls either means physical walls or psychological/political walls. Bridges either means physical bridges to go over or political/psychological bridges. Does anyone really think the Pope means physical walls or bridges? I believe he doesn't mean physical but he knows people will see it that way. It's a word game.

What are you trying to say? In order to understand the pope you need to be a Jesuit? Huh, are you a Jesuit then?

P.S. The wall that Trump want to built is nothing compared to the wall Catholic Church has build

[jgordon1111]

Remember the Pope is a Jesuit. Jesuits are masters of word play. Walls either means physical walls or psychological/political walls. Bridges either means physical bridges to go over or political/psychological bridges. Does anyone really think the Pope means physical walls or bridges? I believe he doesn't mean physical but he knows people will see it that way. It's a word game.

What are you trying to say? In order to understand the pope you need to be a Jesuit? Huh, are you a Jesuit then?

P.S. The wall that Trump want to built is nothing compared to the wall Catholic Church has build

Ok goran I will clarify what warmonger meant maybe, when the pope speaks of building bridges for example he not talking literal he is talking spiritual same as he means when he talks of trumps walls

And yes to many they only see the one meaning, the literal one which is what TRUMP wants, but to those who see both meanings, it's much more in essence.

[GoranZ]

Remember the Pope is a Jesuit. Jesuits are masters of word play. Walls either means physical walls or psychological/political walls. Bridges either means physical bridges to go over or political/psychological bridges. Does anyone really think the Pope means physical walls or bridges? I believe he doesn't mean physical but he knows people will see it that way. It's a word game.

What are you trying to say? In order to understand the pope you need to be a Jesuit? Huh, are you a Jesuit then?

P.S. The wall that Trump want to built is nothing compared to the wall Catholic Church has build

Ok goran I will clarify what warmonger meant maybe, when the pope speaks of building bridges for example he not talking literal he is talking spiritual same as he means when he talks of trumps walls

And yes to many they only see the one meaning, the literal one which is what TRUMP wants, but to those who see both meanings, it's much more in essence.

Catholic Church building bridges? Yea rite, tell this to someone who believes in fairy tales.

[Symmetry]

Remember the Pope is a Jesuit. Jesuits are masters of word play. Walls either means physical walls or psychological/political walls. Bridges either means physical bridges to go over or political/psychological bridges. Does anyone really think the Pope means physical walls or bridges? I believe he doesn't mean physical but he knows people will see it that way. It's a word game.

I don't think he's a Jesuit now that he's Pope. But, yeah, Jesuits are pretty awesome. A lot of fun to argue with too. There's a good reason so many Protestants are afraid of them. A well reasoned, educated argument is dangerous if you go by faith alone.

[UCAbears]

Bernie LOL

More Bernie LOL

[Symmetry]

Remember the Pope is a Jesuit. Jesuits are masters of word play. Walls either means physical walls or psychological/political walls. Bridges either means physical bridges to go over or political/psychological bridges. Does anyone really think the Pope means physical walls or bridges? I believe he doesn't mean physical but he knows people will see it that way. It's a word game.

What are you trying to say? In order to understand the pope you need to be a Jesuit? Huh, are you a Jesuit then?

P.S. The wall that Trump want to built is nothing compared to the wall Catholic Church has build

Ok goran I will clarify what warmonger meant maybe, when the pope speaks of building bridges for example he not talking literal he is talking spiritual same as he means when he talks of trumps walls

And yes to many they only see the one meaning, the literal one which is what TRUMP wants, but to those who see both meanings, it's much more in essence.

Catholic Church building bridges? Yea rite, tell this to someone who believes in fairy tales.

Huh, Goran, given your usual Russian slant on things, I'd have thought that you would know about Pope Francis' recent meeting with Patriarch Kirill.

Was it censored by your preferred media, or did you simply miss it?

[jgordon1111]

Remember the Pope is a Jesuit. Jesuits are masters of word play. Walls either means physical walls or psychological/political walls. Bridges either means physical bridges to go over or political/psychological bridges. Does anyone really think the Pope means physical walls or bridges? I believe he doesn't mean physical but he knows people will see it that way. It's a word game.

What are you trying to say? In order to understand the pope you need to be a Jesuit? Huh, are you a Jesuit then?

P.S. The wall that Trump want to built is nothing compared to the wall Catholic Church has build

Ok goran I will clarify what warmonger meant maybe, when the pope speaks of building bridges for example he not talking literal he is talking spiritual same as he means when he talks of trumps walls

And yes to many they only see the one meaning, the literal one which is what TRUMP wants, but to those who see both meanings, it's much more in essence.

Catholic Church building bridges? Yea rite, tell this to someone who believes in fairy tales.

Yes goran this pope is going against doctrine in alot of ways, he looks like he is trying a different approach to his faith, equality just being one of those ideas that sets him apart from his predecessors.

That being said in case you didn't know I am not a fan of the Catholic church at all, as can be attested to by Many of my posts in other threads where religion is the or part of the topic

[warmonger1981]

Adam Weishaupt was the founder of the Illuminati and was educated in a Jesuit school.Pope Gregory XV was educated by Jesuits and he created Sacred Congregation of Propaganda. Jesuits are masters of propaganda and manipulation. I suggest reading Malachi Martins book "The Jesuits".

[jgordon1111]

Adam Weishaupt was the founder of the Illuminati and was educated in a Jesuit school.Pope Gregory XV was educated by Jesuits and he created Sacred Congregation of Propaganda. Jesuits are masters of propaganda and manipulation. I suggest reading Malachi Martins book "The Jesuits".

Correct on weishaupt
Incorrect on pope Gregory
As for Malachi it was written to make money by trying to keep Jesuits from ever gaining favor in the world
You may not know but part of the jesuit vows is to never seek power
No other part of the Catholic priest hood makes that vow
Malachi forgot to mention that fact, it surprised alot of people including Francis when he was made pope
The reason he did was the other political factions wouldn't reach a consensus on any of themselves gaining the upper hand in the church, they dead locked, so the temporary solution was Francis, it gives them time to consolidate when he is gone, knowing he can't and won't by his vows move to bring the Jesuits to the forefront of power in the church

[warmonger1981]

Corrections on Pope Gregory XV

He was educated at the Roman College run by the Society of Jesus in Rome and he then went to the University of Bologna to get degrees in canon and Roman law which he received on June 4, 1575.
On 6 January 1622, he established the Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith, the missionary arm of the Holy See. His pontificate was marked by the canonizations of Teresa of Avila, Francis Xavier, Ignatius Loyola, Philip Neri and Isidore the Farmer.

Who was Ignatius Loyola
He was a Spanish knight from a local Basque noble family, hermit, priest since 1537, and theologian, who founded the Society of Jesus (Jesuits) and, on 19 April 1541, became its first Superior General.Ignatius emerged as a religious leader during the Counter-Reformation. Loyola's devotion to the Catholic Church was characterized by absolute obedience to the Pope.
Source Wikipedia

The supposed Jesuit Oath talks about killing and purging the earth. I can post it but its long. The oath was never proven. It was supposed to be in the Library of Congress but was "ripped out". There is a card # but can't find it in the government website. Its #66- 43354
Your arguments are weak against Martin. He was a man who helped uncover many scandals in the Vatican. Including a gay lobby and pedophelia. There is a " Pink Pope".He heads a gay lobby headed by two people. One is powerful Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone known also as “The Pink Pope,” the ex-Secretary of State of the Vatican and the other is Francesco Camaldo who appears in Assange’s Wikileaks, with the nickname “Jessica,” a key asset of the Central Intelligence Agency in the Vatican.

[jgordon1111]

Corrections on Pope Gregory XV

He was educated at the Roman College run by the Society of Jesus in Rome and he then went to the University of Bologna to get degrees in canon and Roman law which he received on June 4, 1575.
On 6 January 1622, he established the Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith, the missionary arm of the Holy See. His pontificate was marked by the canonizations of Teresa of Avila, Francis Xavier, Ignatius Loyola, Philip Neri and Isidore the Farmer.

Who was Ignatius Loyola
He was a Spanish knight from a local Basque noble family, hermit, priest since 1537, and theologian, who founded the Society of Jesus (Jesuits) and, on 19 April 1541, became its first Superior General.Ignatius emerged as a religious leader during the Counter-Reformation. Loyola's devotion to the Catholic Church was characterized by absolute obedience to the Pope.
Source Wikipedia

The supposed Jesuit Oath talks about killing and purging the earth. I can post it but its long. The oath was never proven. It was supposed to be in the Library of Congress but was "ripped out". There is a card # but can't find it in the government website. Its #66- 43354
Your arguments are weak against Martin. He was a man who helped uncover many scandals in the Vatican. Including a gay lobby and pedophelia. There is a " Pink Pope".He heads a gay lobby headed by two people. One is powerful Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone known also as “The Pink Pope,” the ex-Secretary of State of the Vatican and the other is Francesco Camaldo who appears in Assange’s Wikileaks, with the nickname “Jessica,” a key asset of the Central Intelligence Agency in the Vatican.

Glad to see you fixed it, gregory's actual training and the fact there is a huge diffence in propaganda and propagation, and what I said about Malachi was he left out the part about Jesuits vow not to seek power, I have read his book and understood what it was meant for.

[Symmetry]

As a specialist in 17th century history and lit, can I just say how funny it is to see how long anti-Jesuit propaganda has lasted. Sad, too, though, as Jesuits are fun to talk to.

It's tough, I've noticed, for many Protestants to reject anti-Catholicism, or even to acknowledge it.

[warmonger1981]

Basically Jesuits use propagation to spread propaganda.

[jgordon1111]

Basically Jesuits use propagation to spread propaganda.

And you know this how?

[warmonger1981]

Jesuit Style Architecture and Art.

[jgordon1111]

Jesuit Style Architecture and Art.

Going to ask for something that goes against the grain with me.

Please provide a piece of said artwork describing this with positive proof the author was a confirmed Jesuit Priest
Remember everyone likes a good conspiracy, keep that in mind before you produce your evidence.

[Bernie Sanders]

Jesuit Style Architecture and Art.

Absolutely beautiful!

Click image to enlarge.

[warmonger1981]

I found a good article that can explain things more eloquently than I.

http://www.sacredarchitecture.org/artic ... _erudition

Baroque
Whereas the Renaissance drew on the wealth and power of the Italian courts and was a blend of secular and religious forces, the Baroque was, initially at least, directly linked to the Counter-Reformation, a movement within the Catholic Church to reform itself in response to the Protestant Reformation.[2] Baroque architecture and its embellishments were on the one hand more accessible to the emotions and on the other hand, a visible statement of the wealth and power of the Church. The new style manifested itself in particular in the context of the new religious orders, like the Theatines and the Jesuits who aimed to improve popular piety.

The architecture of the High Roman Baroque can be assigned to the papal reigns of Urban VIII, Innocent X and Alexander VII, spanning from 1623 to 1667. The three principal architects of this period were the sculptor Gianlorenzo Bernini, Francesco Borromini and the painter Pietro da Cortona and each evolved his own distinctively individual architectural expression.
Wikipedia


Who was Bernini
BERNINI

In 1642, the year Galileo died, Bernini was 44 years old. He had already been working for the Pope for many years and now was the Chief Architect for the Vatican and Superintendent of Works for the city of Rome. Although Bernini was an ardent Catholic and devotee of the Jesuit Order, he may have veiled a support for the heliocentric theory as, indeed, many of the Jesuit scholars did in those troubled times. In view of this, some important events of Bernini's require closer scrutiny.
Bernini's close relationship with the Jesuit scholars, particularly Athanasius Kircher who collaborated with Bernini in the placing of various Egyptian obelisks in Rome, and also the Jesuit astronomer Nocola Zucchi who had actually met Johann Kepler at the court of the Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand II, and the Jesuit mathematician Paul Guldin, both of whom seemed to support the heliocentric theory.
Bernini's controversial trip to Paris in 1665 under the patronage of the Sun-king Louis XIV, and the earlier influence of the Italian astrologer Tomasso Campanella, author of Civita Solis, 'The City of the Sun', at the French court.
Bernini's 'elliptical' design of the Piazza St. Pietro in 1659-67 around the ancient Egyptian obelisk from Heliopolis, the quintessential 'City of the Sun'. http://www.robertbauval.co.uk/articles/ ... snose.html

[Symmetry]

I generally count the Baroque period as being post counter reformation, at least in Italy. I know you're relying on other people for this, but have you really studied the arguments, or are you just googling? It looks like you're just copy pasting from nonacademic summary articles.

[Phatscotty]

Obama isn't a Christian... don't see what the big deal is?

Oh yeah, Progressives thrive on double standards

[Bernie Sanders]

Obama isn't a Christian... don't see what the big deal is?

Oh yeah, Progressives thrive on double standards

What a partisan and ignorant statement.

Besides that, Jesus was a Socialist, not a hyper - capitalist

[warmonger1981]

I'm not a scholar but I do read on this subject on a limited understanding. Just like I read books on Freemasonry with a limited understanding. I actually do own a few books by Robert Bauval. I do like to paste information because professionals can say some things better than I can. I can point out secret meanings of the Vatican Architecture that Bernini created using Bauvals research. The Vatican is filled with Hermetic philosophy and symbolisms of Keplars Law. You are relying on someone else for information. So when you study Symmetry your relying on someone. So you trying to discredit me is a foul move.


Jesus was not a socialist. He was an anarchist.

[mrswdk]

Obama isn't a Christian... don't see what the big deal is?

Oh yeah, Progressives thrive on double standards

What a partisan and ignorant statement.

Besides that, Jesus was a Socialist, not a hyper - capitalist

He also claimed that he was born after a sky spirit came to Earth and magically impregnated his mother, so I wouldn't cite him too loudly if I were you.

[jgordon1111]

I'm not a scholar but I do read on this subject on a limited understanding. Just like I read books on Freemasonry with a limited understanding. I actually do own a few books by Robert Bauval. I do like to paste information because professionals can say some things better than I can. I can point out secret meanings of the Vatican Architecture that Bernini created using Bauvals research. The Vatican is filled with Hermetic philosophy and symbolisms of Keplars Law. You are relying on someone else for information. So when you study Symmetry your relying on someone. So you trying to discredit me is a foul move.


Jesus was not a socialist. He was an anarchist.

How do you come to the conclusion he was an anarchist?
Can't find anything in what supposedly said or taught that would support that view.
Nor in the society of Jesus any real propaganda, unless you think that building schools and teaching is bad for people, well there is the extra ordinary capacity to grow grapes and make wine, that has to be it, they all got pissed and prayed