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Postby BOREDGIRL on Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:19 pm

The problem with rap is that most of the rhymes are cliche. Only the truly talented can come up with something original.










(sadly I have yet to see that here)
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Postby Guiscard on Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:09 pm

BOREDGIRL wrote:The problem with rap is that most of the rhymes are cliche. Only the truly talented can come up with something original.










(sadly I have yet to see that here)


Go on then. Post some examples.

I listen to a hell of a lot of hip-hop (both as a hobby and, pretty much, for money)... Mathematics by Mos Def, which I posted earlier, isn't exactly clichƩ. Intelligent lyrics and a really clever rhyme structure incorporating the numerical theme... Works on a lot of levels. Tells a true story too.
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Postby Master Bush on Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:15 pm

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Guiscard wrote:What kind of hip-hop are you into?


rap / hip hop like lil wayne, young jeezy , rich boy, Jibbs , and a bunch more


That aint hip hop, that's garbage.
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Postby Guiscard on Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:21 pm

Seasons of Hip-Hop by Cunninlynguists wrote:[Masta Ace]
As we spring back to the past, it was all happening fast
We glorified coke and smoking crack in a glass
When b-boys danced to the latest jam
You could say this man was the greatest fan
When shoelaces were fat, and all the rapper's faces were black
And light-brown, a box with the right sound was all you needed
When it blast...they must move
You just proved you're hard like L in Krush Groove
And songs started to drop - Ain't nobody start at the top
Before Preme (DJ Premier) learned the art of the chop
This is way before SP's...and MPC's
And long before CD's and MP3's
The game started to bloom and blossom
And masters ready for the cermony, like a groom in costume

Growth from the rain of the previous years
I took notes from what I heard through these devious ears
Yeah

[Deacon the Villian]
As Summer's heatwaves ascended in it's splendid manner
Green was flooding our scene, although the skin was tanner
"f*ck The Police!!" jumpin over radio scanners
It was hot in the shade, wet paint all over the canvans
f*ck Vanilla Ice cones, we had T, Cube's Amerikka's Most
And wanted that Chronic on the Left-Coast

Talent pools were full and fresh for swimming
Backstrokin' through Dark Sides and Illmatic beginnings
Them lemonade stands would make you street platinum
It was 2 Live.. Florida crews caught heat for rappin
But free speech pollination kept bee's colonizing in hives
And stung Delores Tucker right in her pride
The Tribes ocean splash was rising the tide
Strictly 4 My Niggaz that were ready to die in the ride
I wish the summer's vibe could've lasted forever
To bad we had to have a change in that weather.. that shit was beautiful


[Kno]
As the East vs. West winds blew, causing two
Legends to Fall like maple leaves from escalated beef
Assumed that the worst was over
Til these cats started wearing shiny costumes like the 31st of October
The weather's colder, but the word jacket/jack it
Is what they did to people's styles, not what they covered they backs with

Tactics of the skill impaired
No Limit to what they'll do when the green is scarce
Some be Thanksgiving for who they know, while others get jerked for loot
Cause gettin signed ain't a turkey shoot
No respect for the pilgrims who paved the way so you could rock that
Just pop crap and Plymouth Rock-Rap

Beyond gimmicks and fake plastic tits
Outkast and Raekwon dropped fall classic discs
Born to Roll, so I'm taking you back to school days of autumn
Before the bottom dropped out in 2K


[SOS]
By the dawn of the new millennium we saw bright chains
Winter brought along platinum causing the ice age
No more Gold, no more YO! MTV RAPS
Now we got R&B cats stealing classic rap tracks[/b]
In winter it's snowed in like the temperature's below ten
Citizens open up shows for more snowmen
Scrawny boys rock bubblegooses to pose like grown men
And you can catch freezer burn from women when they show skin
Jolly, fat, white men get paid when rap hits the shelves
And artists themselves get treated like Elves
Matter of fact, Santa's gotten so greedy when a rapper sells
You even need clearance to sample Jingle Bells

What the hell! You need cells and 2 ways for chicks to bone ya?
And so much ice on ya body that you can get pneumonia
Even at the beaches of Daytona it's gotten colder
But it's about time for the cycle to start over (echo)


Another set of dope verses telling the true story and history of Hip-Hop...
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Postby Guiscard on Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:22 pm

Master Bush wrote:
CBlake wrote:
Guiscard wrote:What kind of hip-hop are you into?


rap / hip hop like lil wayne, young jeezy , rich boy, Jibbs , and a bunch more


That aint hip hop, that's garbage.


Fraid so...
It's about time for the cycle to start over...
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Postby Master Bush on Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:38 pm

If you all want so good hip hop, check out my projectplaylist

http://www.projectplaylist.com/node/4167993
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Postby Guiscard on Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:49 pm

Master Bush wrote:If you all want so good hip hop, check out my projectplaylist

http://www.projectplaylist.com/node/4167993


That's a good playlist. I whole heartedly approve of your taste sir.
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Postby CBlake on Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:51 pm

Master Bush wrote:
CBlake wrote:
Guiscard wrote:What kind of hip-hop are you into?


rap / hip hop like lil wayne, young jeezy , rich boy, Jibbs , and a bunch more


That aint hip hop, that's garbage.


shut up u dont know what ur talkin bout go listen to country
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Postby Master Bush on Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:53 pm

Yea, I'd rather listen to country over young jezzy or lil wayne. In fact, I have.
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Postby CBlake on Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:56 pm

Master Bush wrote:Yea, I'd rather listen to country over young jezzy or lil wayne. In fact, I have.


Welll then u shouldnt post in this thread bud
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Postby Guiscard on Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:15 pm

CBlake wrote:
Master Bush wrote:
CBlake wrote:
Guiscard wrote:What kind of hip-hop are you into?


rap / hip hop like lil wayne, young jeezy , rich boy, Jibbs , and a bunch more


That aint hip hop, that's garbage.


shut up u dont know what ur talkin bout go listen to country


Seriously 'nigga', just learn your goddamn history. I know what he's talkin about and so does he. All this dirty south crunk shit is just that... shit. It might be popular at the moment but do you really think peeps are still gonna be making paper off their tunes in 20 or 30 years time? True hip-hop stands the test of time... No content, no lyrical style, no intelligence, no production values... Not even the same kinda attitude NWA and PA brought to the game. Its got nothin.

Don't even start on accusing people of not being true hip-hop fans if you listen to that kinda bollocks... You might as well go listen to country yourself to be honest...
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Postby CBlake on Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:33 pm

Guiscard wrote:
CBlake wrote:
Master Bush wrote:
CBlake wrote:
Guiscard wrote:What kind of hip-hop are you into?


rap / hip hop like lil wayne, young jeezy , rich boy, Jibbs , and a bunch more


That aint hip hop, that's garbage.


shut up u dont know what ur talkin bout go listen to country


Seriously 'nigga', just learn your goddamn history. I know what he's talkin about and so does he. All this dirty south crunk shit is just that... shit. It might be popular at the moment but do you really think peeps are still gonna be making paper off their tunes in 20 or 30 years time? True hip-hop stands the test of time... No content, no lyrical style, no intelligence, no production values... Not even the same kinda attitude NWA and PA brought to the game. Its got nothin.

Don't even start on accusing people of not being true hip-hop fans if you listen to that kinda bollocks... You might as well go listen to country yourself to be honest...


Your an idiot u live in england what the hell do u know about anything surely u dont listen to hip hop during tea time , and yea the dirty south rap is in and you dont know nothin about that so dont post in my thread again fag
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Postby CBlake on Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:34 pm

Guiscard wrote:
CBlake wrote:
Master Bush wrote:
CBlake wrote:
Guiscard wrote:What kind of hip-hop are you into?


rap / hip hop like lil wayne, young jeezy , rich boy, Jibbs , and a bunch more


That aint hip hop, that's garbage.


shut up u dont know what ur talkin bout go listen to country


Seriously 'nigga', just learn your goddamn history. I know what he's talkin about and so does he. All this dirty south crunk shit is just that... shit. It might be popular at the moment but do you really think peeps are still gonna be making paper off their tunes in 20 or 30 years time? True hip-hop stands the test of time... No content, no lyrical style, no intelligence, no production values... Not even the same kinda attitude NWA and PA brought to the game. Its got nothin.

Don't even start on accusing people of not being true hip-hop fans if you listen to that kinda bollocks... You might as well go listen to country yourself to be honest...


Your an idiot u live in england what the hell do u know about anything surely u dont listen to hip hop during tea time , and yea the dirty south rap is in and you dont know nothin about that so dont post in my thread again fag
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Postby CBlake on Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:37 pm

dont ever call me nigga again you white ass cracker and yea my dad is black u idiot
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Postby Guiscard on Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:04 pm

How the f*ck you know what colour my skin is boy? You use the word in your freestyle... Its in open play surely?

For one, UK hip-hop has a vibrant underground scene which knows its history and still brings hard-ass rhymes and intelligent lyrics. Take a listen to Klashnekoff or Task Force if you wanna hear some real raw UK take-over.

And what do I know about hip-hop? A fair bit more than you apparently...

I'm a producer and a DJ. I record tracks with MCs. I live and breathe hip-hop. As a teenager all the cash I earnt went into buying vinyl and learning a healthy respect for classic truthful hip-hop. I also graff...

Ever heard of the four elements? How many do you fulfil...
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Postby CBlake on Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:08 pm

Guiscard wrote:How the f*ck you know what colour my skin is boy? You use the word in your freestyle... Its in open play surely?

For one, UK hip-hop has a vibrant underground scene which knows its history and still brings hard-ass rhymes and intelligent lyrics. Take a listen to Klashnekoff or Task Force if you wanna hear some real raw UK take-over.

And what do I know about hip-hop? A fair bit more than you apparently...

I'm a producer and a DJ. I record tracks with MCs. I live and breathe hip-hop. As a teenager all the cash I earnt went into buying vinyl and learning a healthy respect for classic truthful hip-hop. I also graff...

Ever heard of the four elements? How many do you fulfil...


I dont care hip hop is nothing in england thats y u here about hip hop from over here and we dont here nothin bout stuff from over there because its crap
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Postby Guiscard on Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:22 pm

CBlake wrote:I dont care hip hop is nothing in england thats y u here about hip hop from over here and we dont here nothin bout stuff from over there because its crap



Hang on! I thought I couldn't comment on US Hip-Hop because I was from the UK? But you can comment on UK Hip-Hop?

You don't hear about it becuase it isn't commercialised and reliant on big business like much modern US rap is. Underground UK Hip-Hop is keeping it closer to the true ethic and style than anything in your charts at the moment.

You know jack about hip-hop, kid.

You even know the tribe? Or souls of mischief? You know where the members of Heiroglyphics came from? You know the roots of the east-west beef and what tracks they originally surfaced in? You even know where the breaks come from? Kool Herc? What scene Nas and Mobb Deep came outa? Do you even know where the roots of your crunk sound came from? We had that in the early 90s... Know what an 808 is?
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Postby CBlake on Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:10 pm

Guiscard wrote:
CBlake wrote:I dont care hip hop is nothing in england thats y u here about hip hop from over here and we dont here nothin bout stuff from over there because its crap



Hang on! I thought I couldn't comment on US Hip-Hop because I was from the UK? But you can comment on UK Hip-Hop?

You don't hear about it becuase it isn't commercialised and reliant on big business like much modern US rap is. Underground UK Hip-Hop is keeping it closer to the true ethic and style than anything in your charts at the moment.

You know jack about hip-hop, kid.

You even know the tribe? Or souls of mischief? You know where the members of Heiroglyphics came from? You know the roots of the east-west beef and what tracks they originally surfaced in? You even know where the breaks come from? Kool Herc? What scene Nas and Mobb Deep came outa? Do you even know where the roots of your crunk sound came from? We had that in the early 90s... Know what an 808 is?


i said dont post in my thread u fag
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Postby Guiscard on Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:15 pm

You don't wanna answer then huh?

Your what? 14? the crunk sound you like so much began before you were even born! Don't tell me I don't know shit...
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Postby sully800 on Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:16 pm

This was something I rapped on a run one day- I ran it over once or twice in my head before saying it so it wasn't quite freestyle I guess...but I remains the only rap I have ever written.

You put the key in the lock
But you can't lock a key
Cuz I have seen the clock
And you can't run with me
Them seconds don't stop
It's like one-two-three
And then I see you drop
That's my victory

So I step out of the shade
And I come into the light
I'm never gonna fade
Before this one last fight
Too long have you stayed
But now you ain't got the might
It's time I take whats been wrong
And I make it all right.
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Postby CBlake on Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:18 pm

sully800 wrote:This was something I rapped on a run one day- I ran it over once or twice in my head before saying it so it wasn't quite freestyle I guess...but I remains the only rap I have ever written.

You put the key in the lock
But you can't lock a key
Cuz I have seen the clock
And you can't run with me
Them seconds don't stop
It's like one-two-three
And then I see you drop
That's my victory

So I step out of the shade
And I come into the light
I'm never gonna fade
Before this one last fight
Too long have you stayed
But now you ain't got the might
It's time I take whats been wrong
And I make it all right.



Pretty good sully
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Postby hecter on Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:37 pm

Ya, well check this shit out! I of course mean the link right here.
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Postby Guiscard on Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:32 pm

hecter wrote:Ya, well check this shit out! I of course mean the link right here.


You really do love Pi don't you!
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Postby hecter on Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:35 pm

I most certainly do! (That's not me in the video BTW).
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Postby UCAbears on Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:24 pm

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You really do love Pi don't you!


Ok bud, I'm from the dirty dirty and that little fergie im so "glaborius" crap doesnt cut it here. Yeah of coarse u like the old school crap and that stuff was before our time yeah but that's the reason we know nothing about that and u know nothing about our shit. Ok, got that off my chest. I dont wanna make u mad at me im just getting my point across.
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