Vegetarian?

[Fireside Poet]

As a side note, I eat the food and the food that food eats. Does this make me a Carnivortarian?

[Spuzzell]

How can you make vital nutritional decisions.. solely based on YOUR opinion? Didn't you speak to a doctor or a dietician? Or do even basic research?

Vegetarianism will harm you, your future children and their future children. But hey, you have your opinion, so thats OK.

umm, yes, actually i have spoken to a doctor, and a dietician...both of them recommended it for my lifestyle...so no, i'm not to stupid for my own good...and no, it won't harm my children, or me...and where would be your proof that it will harm them?

Sorry, I don't believe you. They may have said that with supplements it wouldn't harm you in the short term, but no way would a responsible dietician reccomend vegetarinism.

Iron, calcium, protein, vitamins D and B12, and zinc. A vegetarian diet is deficient in all of these, and the health and genetic problems caused by a lack of these are legion.

The fact is, our bodies are designed to process the nutrients found in animal products. The only "safe" way to be vegetarian is to take dietary supplements, and as has been a big story here in the UK today, those have been shown to be bad for you on their own account. You just can't have a balanced diet as a vegatarian.

Nutritionally speaking, a vegetarian is ALWAYS behind the curve. Your children, quite apart from any health issues they will have as a direct result of you starving them of the diet they need while developing in your womb, will be smaller than those of someone with a healthy diet. They will be more likely to be anaemic, more prone to infections, weaker.. why would you do that? Why would you want anything but the best chance for your kids?

I genuinely do not understand the vegetarian mindset. If you have a problem with the unethical treatment of animals, stop eating cheap fast food, stop buying battery farmed chickens and start paying organic and free-range farmers what they need to produce ethical food. Learn to cook, don't buy prepared meals. Get the nutrients you need from your diet, rather than pills.

And don't try to make your body be something it's not.

[millej11]

but animals are suffering

[btownmeggy]

Iron, calcium, protein, vitamins D and B12, and zinc. A vegetarian diet is deficient in all of these, and the health and genetic problems caused by a lack of these are legion.

This is... just wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron#Nutri ... ry_sources

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium#Nutrition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_in ... f_proteins

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_d#In_food

B12, maybe, but in the U.S., I know, nearly all flour is fortified, by law, with B vitamins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc#Food_sources

Really, that you would even suggest some of these is evidence of a poor knowledge of nutrition and some sort of crazed agenda against vegetarianism.

[red bull]

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[red bull]

dang lol the other thing was the quote

[red bull]

My parents are also small-scale farmers who humanely raise, care for, and kill their animals. However, only a very, very small proportion of the animal products eaten in the U.S., Europe, Canada, etc, come from farms like theirs and yours. Most animals used for food come from factory farms where they're treated cruelly and subjected to a dark, dirty existence.

we are not really small scale

[Cynthia]

[/quote My parents are also small-scale farmers who humanely raise, care for, and kill their animals. However, only a very, very small proportion of the animal products eaten in the U.S., Europe, Canada, etc, come from farms like theirs and yours. Most animals used for food come from factory farms where they're treated cruelly and subjected to a dark, dirty existence.

we are not excatly small scale

dang lol the other thing was the quote

[red bull]

oh i forgot my cows also listen to classical music and get gummy worms twice a week

[btownmeggy]

My parents are also small-scale farmers who humanely raise, care for, and kill their animals. However, only a very, very small proportion of the animal products eaten in the U.S., Europe, Canada, etc, come from farms like theirs and yours. Most animals used for food come from factory farms where they're treated cruelly and subjected to a dark, dirty existence.

we are not really small scale

You're not a corporation that owns hundreds of thousands of acres of land, I imagine.

[red bull]

thanks cynthia

[red bull]

thousand well close

[millej11]

we are not really small scale

do you realize that it took you 3 posts so say something irrelevant to the topic.

[red bull]

lol i was asked a question and i messed up

[Anarkistsdream]

I grew up on a farm and we raised a good deal of livestock- pigs, chickens, horses, and cattle, and I have never seen such well treated animals...

If people learned to be a bit more self sufficient and have a bit more motivation and not be fat lazy fucking pigs, this whole health thing wouldn't be a problem...

I will always eat meat... I eat very little beef and I only buy organic produce... I admit that the chicken I buy is probably from a farm factory where they have no beaks or feathers, but I frankly can't help that. I am a treehugger, I think, but to support this world, cruelty is inevitable.

[Spuzzell]

Iron, calcium, protein, vitamins D and B12, and zinc. A vegetarian diet is deficient in all of these, and the health and genetic problems caused by a lack of these are legion.

This is... just wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron#Nutri ... ry_sources

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium#Nutrition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_in ... f_proteins

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_d#In_food

B12, maybe, but in the U.S., I know, nearly all flour is fortified, by law, with B vitamins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc#Food_sources

Really, that you would even suggest some of these is evidence of a poor knowledge of nutrition and some sort of crazed agenda against vegetarianism.

I'm not rabid, I'm prosaic. A balanced diet is not one that has to be supported with added vitamins!

I don't understand what I'm meant to be looking at in your wiki links. Processed food is not adequate for a healthy lifestyle, you do know that?

Vitamin D is the one I have open now, and the list of sources are uniformly animal products, except for, and I quote: "Shiitake mushrooms, one of a few natural sources of vegan and kosher vitamin D (in the form of ergosterol vitamin D2)"

So a single strand of D is found in mushrooms. Woo? We should ignore all the others? I'd go through the others, but I'm going out for a meal, and anyway, you just proved my point.

The only way to a balanced, healthy diet, one that our bodies are designed to process, is to eat animals.

Don't buy crap food, don't buy battery farmed eggs, don't try to trick your body it's getting what it needs by nuking it with individual massive doses of vitamin pills and supplements.

You're human, deal with it.

[Guiscard]

Did you get abused by a ragin Veggie in your childhod? Certainly got a chip on your shoulder about it from somewhere... (no pun intended)...

[Sammy gags]

There is nothing worse than a vegetarian mother if you love meat

[Anarkistsdream]

There is nothing worse than a vegetarian mother if you love meat

So... You're a meat eater, eh? Thought that wasn't allowed in football... *grin*

Oh, wait, that's the Boy Scouts.

[Sammy gags]

...I don't get it

[s.xkitten]

How can you make vital nutritional decisions.. solely based on YOUR opinion? Didn't you speak to a doctor or a dietician? Or do even basic research?

Vegetarianism will harm you, your future children and their future children. But hey, you have your opinion, so thats OK.

umm, yes, actually i have spoken to a doctor, and a dietician...both of them recommended it for my lifestyle...so no, i'm not to stupid for my own good...and no, it won't harm my children, or me...and where would be your proof that it will harm them?

Sorry, I don't believe you. They may have said that with supplements it wouldn't harm you in the short term, but no way would a responsible dietician reccomend vegetarinism.

Iron, calcium, protein, vitamins D and B12, and zinc. A vegetarian diet is deficient in all of these, and the health and genetic problems caused by a lack of these are legion.

The fact is, our bodies are designed to process the nutrients found in animal products. The only "safe" way to be vegetarian is to take dietary supplements, and as has been a big story here in the UK today, those have been shown to be bad for you on their own account. You just can't have a balanced diet as a vegatarian.

Nutritionally speaking, a vegetarian is ALWAYS behind the curve. Your children, quite apart from any health issues they will have as a direct result of you starving them of the diet they need while developing in your womb, will be smaller than those of someone with a healthy diet. They will be more likely to be anaemic, more prone to infections, weaker.. why would you do that? Why would you want anything but the best chance for your kids?

I genuinely do not understand the vegetarian mindset. If you have a problem with the unethical treatment of animals, stop eating cheap fast food, stop buying battery farmed chickens and start paying organic and free-range farmers what they need to produce ethical food. Learn to cook, don't buy prepared meals. Get the nutrients you need from your diet, rather than pills.

And don't try to make your body be something it's not.

i don't do it because of the animals, they are going to die whether or not i eat them...and there is a difference between vegan and vegetarianism...you get almost all vitamins you need when you're a vegetarian...vegans have to work harder to get all their nutrients, but its possible...i don't understand what you have against vegetarians, but STFU

[Hitman079]

i'm a meatitarian.
no vegetables in my burger, please.

[millej11]

If you don't do it because of the animals than what do you do it for?

[Hitman079]

they want to make themselves suffer. i could probably watch steak being made and still eat it happily

[s.xkitten]

i've said it before...go check my post up at the top...and i don't suffer