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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby muy_thaiguy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:15 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:No believe me, the thing is here,I don't need to save "face".


Ok, here's your bottle.

Napoleon Ier wrote:You're clearly so incorrect, and desperately clutching at straws by frantically googling away to drudge up stats you don't understand on a country you probably can't point out on the map, this whole exercise has just become an elaborate joke at your expense for me.


Since you refuse with facts a thing I've said, so......

while you imagine that you have somehow pulled a victory out of your arse, you've only succeeded in making an arse of yourself.

Prove me wrong, decisively or go play with yourself.

Also,

Your comments on a "yoddling 6-finger Bob" and suchlike are so horribly cliched and in poor taste that any further debate demands that you stay on topic and try to refuse my position with facts.

Napoleon Ier wrote:I'm sure you have plenty more theories about the UK rightfully belonging to Denmark or something because of 1066 though, eh?


No, not really. I think that territory is your domain. Remember, stay on topic.

I was going to say Rome for that last one, or Vatican City. Whichever you prefer.

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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Dapper Tom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:31 am

muy_thaiguy wrote:Oh and DM, Yeah huh!

DM assures me that were he present he would reply "Nah".
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Napoleon Ier on Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:06 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:No believe me, the thing is here,I don't need to save "face".


Ok, here's your bottle.

Napoleon Ier wrote:You're clearly so incorrect, and desperately clutching at straws by frantically googling away to drudge up stats you don't understand on a country you probably can't point out on the map, this whole exercise has just become an elaborate joke at your expense for me.


Since you refuse with facts a thing I've said, so......

while you imagine that you have somehow pulled a victory out of your arse, you've only succeeded in making an arse of yourself.

Prove me wrong, decisively or go play with yourself.

Also,

Your comments on a "yoddling 6-finger Bob" and suchlike are so horribly cliched and in poor taste that any further debate demands that you stay on topic and try to refuse my position with facts.

Napoleon Ier wrote:I'm sure you have plenty more theories about the UK rightfully belonging to Denmark or something because of 1066 though, eh?


No, not really. I think that territory is your domain. Remember, stay on topic.


Well, I can't really prove you wrong without knowing what you're arguing: I mean, you start off blathering aout Alsace-Lorraine, then you claim that the Gauls were wiped out long ago as a people, then you claim Québec mever really belonged to France...the whole thing is quite ridiculous, but I can assure of one thing: no-one is taking you seriously.
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Jenos Ridan on Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:34 am

Napoleon Ier wrote:Well, I can't really prove you wrong without knowing what you're arguing: I mean, you start off blathering about Alsace-Lorraine,


Which was one of two places this chat originated from.

I'm guessing that you've convieniently forgot the other origin point.

Napoleon Ier wrote:then you claim that the Gauls were wiped out long ago as a people,


They were, nobody in France save the Bretons have a Celtic culture or language. And the Bretons came from Britain, related distantly to the Welsh.

The Gauls no longer exist, deal with it!

Napoleon Ier wrote:then you claim Québec mever really belonged to France...


Can you actually prove that or are you just going to make accusations?

Napoleon Ier wrote:the whole thing is quite ridiculous


I agree, you are a ridiculous fellow.

Napoleon Ier wrote: but I can assure of one thing: no-one is taking you seriously.


The same could be said of you. No, better still, the same IS being said about you.

=D> Bravo to another brilliant session of windbaggery from Nappy L'Rash! =D>
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Napoleon Ier on Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:29 pm

For the accusation, cf. my sig.

As for the Gauls: Roman invasion and colonization caused only minor ethnic shifts (the number of Romans within Gallia Transalpina didn't excede 50.000), the Franks represented at most 3% of the total population in the North of France, and there haven't been major changes in ethnic composition (barring immigrants from the 60s on) since.

Believe Jenos, I know. I'm actually French. You're so poor at history you seem to think reguritating dates makes you an expert: but what you'll find people do when they start studying the subject seriously, is that they think analytically about periods. Ignotus found your comments of such warped arrogance and pretension, he laughed you off and decided it wasn't worth arguing with someone so clearly ignorant. And belive me, this isn't a case of debate, but a clear case of you being wrong about everything you say (let alone the validity of your often confused and unclear arguments), and me knowing the simple facts. So I'll say it one more time: pick up a fucking book and read analytically. Really. You'll learn to think rather than regurgitate in an asinine fashion. Until, however, you come up with actual historical arguments for Québec and Alsace-Lorraine's historical appartenance to France being a vast conspiracy, and decide to mature a little, I think I'll leave this one to simmer.
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Jenos Ridan on Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:44 am

Firstly: I made no claims about being an expert. Not that you care.

Second: I never said Quebec was not culturally French. Again, it hurts your case if you conceded to the truth here. Already hurts your case with you distorting my words and waving them about like a banner. And again, as if you care.

Third: Where you get these numbers are a mystery you have never explained. Perhaps, that you, would hurt your case.

Fourth: If I am no expert, even less of one are you. But, as is predictable, you are too dense to notice or care.

Fifth: Where a teenager finds the nerve to act like a whinny brat and call a grown man 'immature' is a most annoying enigma. That is, until I remember that you are not arguing in a very adult manner.

In conclusion: Take your uninformed, nationalist, school-boy propaganda-ridden ravings and shut up. The fact is, in spite of being a French citizen, you know nothing yet. When you are in college, then we can talk like civilized men. But until then, Stow It! Quite frankly, I grew tired of your act a long while back and I will not have anymore of it.
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Jenos Ridan on Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:02 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:the whole thing is quite ridiculous


I agree, you are a ridiculous fellow.


Now that this game has run it's course, I thank you all for playing along in my little charade. It has been fun while it lasted.

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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Napoleon Ier on Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:21 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:Firstly: I made no claims about being an expert. Not that you care.

Second: I never said Quebec was not culturally French. Again, it hurts your case if you conceded to the truth here. Already hurts your case with you distorting my words and waving them about like a banner. And again, as if you care.

Third: Where you get these numbers are a mystery you have never explained. Perhaps, that you, would hurt your case.

Fourth: If I am no expert, even less of one are you. But, as is predictable, you are too dense to notice or care.

Fifth: Where a teenager finds the nerve to act like a whinny brat and call a grown man 'immature' is a most annoying enigma. That is, until I remember that you are not arguing in a very adult manner.

In conclusion: Take your uninformed, nationalist, school-boy propaganda-ridden ravings and shut up. The fact is, in spite of being a French citizen, you know nothing yet. When you are in college, then we can talk like civilized men. But until then, Stow It! Quite frankly, I grew tired of your act a long while back and I will not have anymore of it.


Look, I don't want to be nasty, but the simple truth here is that I am more intelligent ad better read than you. I'm not insulting you, simply stating the facts. You can try and delude yourself by claiming I'm a "schoolboy propagandist" (not that the phrase makes any particular sense in any context), but the simple fact is, you're unable to debate.

Let me take you through some steps here:

1/You have to make a claim and stick to it.
2/You have to provide evidence for your answer, not by spilling out facts as if to try and impress people with your knowledge of dates (as it happens, you look slightly ridiculous, because what you think makes you some kind of intellectual colossus in fact is fairly basic stuff for me as a Frenchman or Ignotus as a historian), but rather by thinking in an analytical or critical way.
3/You can use ad hominem, but make sure you use it in the context of actual evidence. I've insulted you, but you'll notice I do it with a nuance: whilst I'm actually arguing, you're just rather crassly flaming (and are basically relying on my age as a point of derision: a sign of insecurity, and your constant allusions to me being younger than you, a "griwn man", make me think you have things you want to be compensating for). Psychoanalysis aside: make sure you use actual arguments, not simple factual regurgitation.
4/Structure: this is very important, especially if you decide, later in life, you actually want to write something passable. You need to provide logical steps in your thinking: "I just read x date on wikipedia ergo I can make wild unsubstantiated claims about unrelated historical events [hoping me or someone like Ignotus won't pick upon it and give your arse a good caning]" is not a validline of reasoning.
5/My stats come from estimates by Historian J. Julaud. He wrote a number of my school textbooks from when I was younger, some of the French equivalent of "for dummies" books on French poetry, and a book on France for foreigners (which I recommend to you). The specific book I refer to is "Les Grandes Dates de L'Histoire de France".
6/Make sure you have references handy. Do you have any form historians claiming Alsace-Lorraine should be German (if you're still entertaining that ridiculous notion)?
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby muy_thaiguy on Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:39 pm

In short, MTG wins, everyone else loses?
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Neoteny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:30 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:In short, MTG wins, everyone else loses?


Neo is entertained. I don't think that counts as a loss.
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby muy_thaiguy on Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:35 pm

Neoteny wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:In short, MTG wins, everyone else loses?


Neo is entertained. I don't think that counts as a loss.

I'm only talking about those that matter, gowsh. :roll:
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Neoteny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:38 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
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muy_thaiguy wrote:In short, MTG wins, everyone else loses?


Neo is entertained. I don't think that counts as a loss.

I'm only talking about those that matter, gowsh. :roll:


Right then. Carry on.
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Dapper Tom on Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:46 pm

This thread is quality stuff.

I approve.
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Jenos Ridan on Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:31 am

I see that Nappy hasn't gotten the point yet. Watch as he sputters like a wind-up toy on it's side.
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Iliad on Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:50 am

This is a great thread

Just read it and god it's been a long time since a thread has been this funny

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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Napoleon Ier on Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:13 pm

Iliad wrote:This is a great thread

Just read it and god it's been a long time since a thread has been this funny

Nappy-I pity you


At last! Someone who appreciates the difficulty of teaching basic history to a sub-moron with the intellectual capacity of a retarded goldfish.
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Napoleon Ier on Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:14 pm

Jenos Ridan wrote:I see that Nappy hasn't gotten the point yet. Watch as he sputters like a wind-up toy on it's side.


No, no: the point is that I am portraying correct historical fact. You are arguing a load of bollocks. Like that Alsace-Lorraine is German, that Québec isn't French, and that Belgium has never been "historically" French.

But now, let's remember the rules I layed down: feel free to try and insult me, but do it in an intelligent way, and make sure you can actually include arguments. Funny how the minute I present proper referenced facts (which are widely accpeted anyway), you end up unable to respoond with anything but lame attempts at being funny.

Now go and apply metaphorical disinfectant to your smarting intellectual wounds. Id est, read an actual non-fiction book.
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Penos_Rider on Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:11 pm

Nappy, I salute you.

It is a sometimes difficult and lonely world within the vast, empty space of reason and logic, diverting yourself away from the gravitating black-holes of ignorance, and deflecting the spasmodic rays of of high-pitched bleating.

Carry on soldier.
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby muy_thaiguy on Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:56 pm

Penos_Rider wrote:Nappy, I salute you.

It is a sometimes difficult and lonely world within the vast, empty space of reason and logic, diverting yourself away from the gravitating black-holes of ignorance, and deflecting the spasmodic rays of of high-pitched bleating.

Carry on soldier.

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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Iliad on Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:00 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Iliad wrote:This is a great thread

Just read it and god it's been a long time since a thread has been this funny

Nappy-I pity you


At last! Someone who appreciates the difficulty of teaching basic history to a sub-moron with the intellectual capacity of a retarded goldfish.

No I pity you because you fell for the bait

And it's been a very funny, funny thread
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Napoleon Ier on Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:12 pm

Iliad wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
Iliad wrote:This is a great thread

Just read it and god it's been a long time since a thread has been this funny

Nappy-I pity you


At last! Someone who appreciates the difficulty of teaching basic history to a sub-moron with the intellectual capacity of a retarded goldfish.

No I pity you because you fell for the bait

And it's been a very funny, funny thread


No, no...Iliad, it's more serious: he actually believes it.
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Iliad on Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:14 pm

Jenos Ridan wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:the whole thing is quite ridiculous


I agree, you are a ridiculous fellow.


Now that this game has run it's course, I thank you all for playing along in my little charade. It has been fun while it lasted.

Cheers.

I'm sure he does :lol: :lol:
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Jenos Ridan on Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:23 am

Iliad wrote:
Nappy-I pity you


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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Jenos Ridan on Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:32 am

Iliad wrote:No I pity you because you fell for the bait

And it's been a very funny, funny thread


If it was fun for you, think how fun is was coming up with this whole scheme.

Watch, he's about to flip his lid.
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Re: Turkey and EU

Postby Napoleon Ier on Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:31 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
Iliad wrote:No I pity you because you fell for the bait

And it's been a very funny, funny thread


If it was fun for you, think how fun is was coming up with this whole scheme.

Watch, he's about to flip his lid.


Haha...brilliant. You're so intellectually humiliated that you have to resort to pretending you were joking all along. So you're passionate diatribes about German Alsace Lorraine and the Franks, we can now safely say, are a joke. Unfortunately Jenos, I'm not flipping any lid. I'm just going to kick back, pour myself a strong black coffee, and eat a hearty breakfast, safe in the knowledge yet another of your arrogant pseudo-historical mockeries has been destroyed. Now you can go cry, and most importantly, read something decent.
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