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[Neutrino]

Yes Neutrino, I guess I could try to make my case again to you, but you have proven that you will have no part in it. I gave you more than one reason as to why I think America is the greatest country on earth.

If you gave sensible reasons, they must have been in white text, right at the bottom of a nonrelated thread, because after 2 re-readings I still can't find them.

I've been asking this all thread, but I think i'll ask it again.

Why?

I must have asked this question a good 10 or so times. And yet in almost every single one, I have been met with "I already posted them". In the few where actual reasos were posted, they consisted of things which were clearly not unique to America. What do you possibly gain from pulling an Xtra and just saying 're-read' every time someone questions you? Hell, just violate most gramatical laws and post your reason/s in a 3-4 word, adjective and noun only sentence. I'm sure it will use up a whole 10-15 seconds of your precious, precious time.

I guess I could post it all over again...so you could just dismiss it all over again. Round and round we go, so what point would there be in pursuing that.

Actually, the main reason the thread stretched on with no real movement was that a good third of everything I posted remained unresponded too. I would post something, it would be ignored. Then, a page or so later, the same argument that I had orginally rebutted would be mentioned again, but this time treated as though I had ever failed ro rebutt it.

This merry cycle repeated time and time again throughout the thread.

After all, you view the US through the lens of economic/military oppressor.

And you view it through the lens of God's-gift-to-the-universe. Please, no double standards.

So go ahead and tell yourself that you won some type of victory.

Ha! You seriously believe that I was after victory in that thread!

Even ignoring the fact I posted many times that I was just using the thread as a mildly entertaining distraction,do you actually believe that if I were after victory, I would use arguments as crappy as the ones I used initially for the opening? If I wanted victory, I could easily have spent a few more hours looking up facts and information and posted fully formed arguments, thus avoiding the need to furiously backpedel.

If someone wants to see our points they can always go back to the July 4th thread and see for themselves. I'm just glad that at least 2 people were convinced by what I had to say.

Who?

Of course, the bias against the US is such here at CC that when someone like myself says something like I did, it is misinterpreted as "we think we're superior to everyone else". What I said was highly subjective and only meant as expressing patriotism. If someone from France, Australia, or the UK said that I wouldn't throw the hissy-fit that was expressed in that thread. It's merely someone expressing patriotic feelings.

Ok, although I dislike the use of those Slippery Slope type things (absolute mind blank at the moment) this really is exceptional. Although Patriotism itself isn't directly harmful, it can easily turn into things that are. Without warning, Patriotism can easily turn into the view that your nation is the best and should show this by conquering all other nations. From there you can quite easily branch out into My-Ethnic-group-is-the-best and My-Religion-is-the-best. Thus, from simple patriotism you get war, religous wars and Ethnic Cleansing.
This has happened hundreds if not thousands of times throught history. Please, for your future credibility, don't be naive and try to claim that America is somehow immune to this pitfall.

In America, I am sure there are thousands upon thousands of people who think that America is superior and is in fact, so superior that it should subjugate all other countries through force. And guess what; the number of these Imperialists is growing every day. This is almost totally because Patriotism is actively encouraged in America. Hell, even ignoring what Patriotism can turn into, it most certainly limits choices. One politician is dubbed the "Patriotic" one and so voting for or supporting anyone else is automatically seen as 'Unpatriotic" You're not a 'true American' if you're not Patriotic

Suprisingly enough, it is actually possible to be proud of your country (though it is still stupid; Pride-through-Assosiation has got to be one of the most pointless types of pride) without being Patriotic, nor going to anywhere near the lengths you do. Australians do it easily.

End Transmission


PS. I would have to say I am extremly suprised that the first 6 pages of that thread haven't colapsed due to it's own self-gravity, because of the sheer concentrated stupidity exhibited there.

Although stupidity is present everywhere, in threads of all shapes and sizes, the concentration and purity of these stupidity-samples is just extraordinary.

I don't feel bad that thousands of Japanese died because the U.S. made a decision that saved thousands of Americans.

Its easy to figure out why the eurotrash et all hate the U.S.

Its because in just over 200 years, America has become the most prosperous & powerful nation on earth. The Euros had an additional 1000+ years to accomplish what America has and failed.

This one isn't on topic, but it is still really, really stupid.

MM you are a retard ever heard of solar WINDS

And unfortunatly, many, many more.

[Iliad]

Owned bitches. And to IZ Man's quote about US and Europe. America became so prosperous became they had a shitload of space and the two world wars fucked up Europe's economy

[luns101]

Thank you for proving my point.

[Iz Man]

And to Iz Man's quote about US and Europe. America became so prosperous became they had a shitload of space and the two world wars fucked up Europe's economy

endeavor to persevere.........

All these American-bashing threads are hilarious.
It cracks me up on how "concerned" and opinionated Euro's (here on CC, go figure) are when it comes to the U.S. when we couldn't care less.
That's one of many reasons why America prospers....
We don't care what you people think.


My screen gets greener & greener from all this envy every day.

If all you Euros put as much effort into making your own countries prosperous instead of pissing & moaning about the U.S. all the time like whiny little children, then maybe you'd enjoy some of the fruits of prosperity.

Until then, go on with your trash talk. It matters not.
We'll just sit back and enjoy being prosperous Americans. Laughing at all you little socialists across the pond who just can't seem to figure out how to get past all this hatred of the U.S. so that you become a bit more productive.

[Neutrino]

Thank you for proving my point.

And I notice that yet again your valuable time was taken up so much by writing your brilliant, brilliant 6 word statement that you were unable to spend a whole 15 or so seconds and a huge 3-4 words summarising your reasons for mere mortals such as I.

Obviously anyone who disagrees with you ranks so lowly in your opinion that they are not, in fact, worthy of 15 seconds effort.

[max is gr8]

I watched 3 seconds then stopped...

I don't believe they should have gone to war in Iraq or Afghanistan

but I do believe nnow they've gone they have to stay until it's sorted.
I believe people in the army need more money than what they earn for going out and risking their lives

[Titanic]

And to Iz Man's quote about US and Europe. America became so prosperous became they had a shitload of space and the two world wars fucked up Europe's economy

endeavor to persevere.........

All these American-bashing threads are hilarious.
It cracks me up on how "concerned" and opinionated Euro's (here on CC, go figure) are when it comes to the U.S. when we couldn't care less.
That's one of many reasons why America prospers....
We don't care what you people think.


My screen gets greener & greener from all this envy every day.

If all you Euros put as much effort into making your own countries prosperous instead of pissing & moaning about the U.S. all the time like whiny little children, then maybe you'd enjoy some of the fruits of prosperity.

Until then, go on with your trash talk. It matters not.
We'll just sit back and enjoy being prosperous Americans. Laughing at all you little socialists across the pond who just can't seem to figure out how to get past all this hatred of the U.S. so that you become a bit more productive.

Yes, the reason you have a large economy is because we moan all the time. The reason USA has a large economy is because they do not moan. Nothing to do with the fact they have a population 5x bigger then almost every European country, have much more space, more natural resources, didnt have their whole country flattened by millions of tonnes of bombs during the two world wars, or the fact that they received a huge influx of immigrants during the late 1800's and early 1900's which kick started their economy whilst Europe was preparing for war, or the fact that they are right next to Mexico which provides them with millions of immigrants to fill the jobs the general USA citizens deem not good enough for them. The actual reason you have a larger economy is because you do not moan. Yer...right....

[luns101]

And I notice that yet again your valuable time was taken up so much by writing your brilliant, brilliant 6 word statement that you were unable to spend a whole 15 or so seconds and a huge 3-4 words summarising your reasons for mere mortals such as I.

Obviously anyone who disagrees with you ranks so lowly in your opinion that they are not, in fact, worthy of 15 seconds effort.

Neutrino, the reason that I only took about 15 seconds to respond to your post was for the simple reason that - hold on, I just got some mail. I'll be right back...

(Dear Sir, listed below is a brief summary of the activity on your investment account with our firm for the last quarter. Wal-Mart - up a little, Kaiser - down, Level 3 Comm - holding steady. Wait, what's this? Halliburton - up again! Wowee! I am so glad I acted on that stock tip I received from the Republican Party back in late 2002.)

...ok, I'm back. I'd love to discuss this further, but it appears that Iran has a lot of natural copper, iron ore, zinc, and of course - OIL! I have to go talk to my broker about buying shares of Freeport-McMoran. I mean after all, our troops are right next door to Tehran. Sorry BHP Billiton, but it appears that a friend of a friend of a friend of Karl Rove works for Freeport-McMoran.

[Iz Man]

Yes, the reason you have a large economy is because we moan all the time. The reason USA has a large economy is because they do not moan. Nothing to do with the fact they have a population 5x bigger then almost every European country, have much more space, more natural resources, didnt have their whole country flattened by millions of tonnes of bombs during the two world wars, or the fact that they received a huge influx of immigrants during the late 1800's and early 1900's which kick started their economy whilst Europe was preparing for war, or the fact that they are right next to Mexico which provides them with millions of immigrants to fill the jobs the general USA citizens deem not good enough for them. The actual reason you have a larger economy is because you do not moan. Yer...right....

Excuses excuses excuses........
Keep making them.
I'll just sit back and enjoy a delicious homebrew.

Oh, and giggle while reading you trying to rationalize your depression.

[MeDeFe]

couldn't care less

FINALLY someone gets it right.

[Carebian Knight]

Owned bitches. And to IZ Man's quote about US and Europe. America became so prosperous became they had a shitload of space and the two world wars fucked up Europe's economy

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there something called a depression in America after WWI? I guess I dreamed all that.

I also must have dreamed about the European powers getting new territories after WWI. Maybe I dreamed about the fact that all European countries except one refused to pay America back for all the help we gave in WWI. Wow I must have slept a lot in history class last year.

[Carebian Knight]

3. If the US were truely the greatest, then it would let everyone in. Only those who the US decides to let within it's borders (i.e. those with valuable skills to the US) are allowed to enter. If it truely had a 'culture of humanitarian giving' then it's borders would not be inforced at all; they would be left unguarded, sinse all people would be viewed as equal and all would be given an equal chance to make a life in 'the greatest nation on earth'.

First, I can't believe I'm going to argue with someone who can't spell sense. Second, letting everyone in who wants would be stupid, we let in those who have valuable skills, so that they can do something in this country, not come here and earn the right to sit on their asses in front of a computer all day instead of going to school and learning how to spell words like sense.

People speak of illegal immigrants 'stealing US jobs'. Why are US citizens more worthy of employment than those who have obviously gone through great hardship to gain entry to the country?

You answered your own question, because they are Citizens.

If you do not wish to share your country with foreigners, then why not improve the standard of living in other countries? If the standard of living in Mexico and other Central American countries is increaced to anything like that of the US, then it's citizens will have absolutly no reason to cross the US-Mexico border.

I didn't realize that the US had the power to change the standard of living in other countries, isn't that supposed to be done by those countries.

Already 2 million have been killed in Congo and the US government has done effectively nothing. Does this seem like the actions (or lack of such) of 'the greatest nation in the world'?

You can't help everyone in the world.

Civil war in my opinion is good for a country, it allows them to work out their own problems. Instead of calling in another country to do it for them.

[got tonkaed]

Owned bitches. And to IZ Man's quote about US and Europe. America became so prosperous became they had a shitload of space and the two world wars fucked up Europe's economy

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there something called a depression in America after WWI? I guess I dreamed all that.

I also must have dreamed about the European powers getting new territories after WWI. Maybe I dreamed about the fact that all European countries except one refused to pay America back for all the help we gave in WWI. Wow I must have slept a lot in history class last year.

To be fair....America really did get quite a boost out of that depression as a result of WW2. And they got a headstart on the rebound vs european countries because they were able to play the supplier early on, until events later pushed them into the war. To claim that a depression hit america and then to claim we somehow overcame it....when both europe was hit with a depression and we had that extra few year cushion seems to be betraying your history class just a little bit.

I also would contend that the addition of territories certainly did not extend farther than the incredible loss of lives and productivity that occured on the contient as a result of both the wars....and to claim otherwise seems to be a bit shortsighted considering the incredible loss of productive power that both those wars were.

[got tonkaed]

First, I can't believe I'm going to argue with someone who can't spell sense. Second, letting everyone in who wants would be stupid, we let in those who have valuable skills, so that they can do something in this country, not come here and earn the right to sit on their asses in front of a computer all day instead of going to school and learning how to spell words like sense.

You answered your own question, because they are Citizens.

I didn't realize that the US had the power to change the standard of living in other countries, isn't that supposed to be done by those countries.
You can't help everyone in the world.

Civil war in my opinion is good for a country, it allows them to work out their own problems. Instead of calling in another country to do it for them.

although ive only read 2 of your posts, its clear that you and i may be of slightly differing opinions about a thing or two. Your first paragraph is pretty unnecesary for any time of reasonable discussion. Although things tend to get heated in here from time to time, there is really no need to belittle someone over their spelling. Certainly the things we discuss are one of the many things which are more important than whether or not someone can spell one word in a sentence correctly.

Anyone who does not see the value of immigrant workers to a capitalist system of production could use a refresher course on capitalism. Frankly the system that i sort of like sometimes and dislike much of the other time, needs cheap labor that immigrants provide to keep pressure on the rest of the labor pool, its a simple reality of the system. And simply put, those citizens could get those jobs if they actually wanted them, im sure the people running the farms where berries are picked would love to save on the potential fines and shutdown costs if youd like to go pick the fruit instead of an illegal worker. Chances are though, that you, much like myself, simply do not want to do that. There really isnt much of a case of immigrant workers taking all kinds of jobs away from American Citizens...yes some jobs are being taken, and more are being outsourced in an increasing fashion...but this is endemic of high capitalism, not of immigrants.

Actually the US has more power than any nation in the history of the world to change the living standards of all of the low income countries in the world. If youd like, google the millenium development goals, and see what we could do if America followed through on its commitment of .7 percent of its GDP. Yes that is less than 1 percent of what we produce in a given year, and it could have a tremendous amount of impact in countries where investment and mangement could be carefully supervised. Many countries already have per orders already drafted the plans for how the money would be invested, yet the US continually fails *read has yet to achieve once* the goals that it has set in front of the rest of the international community. To be fair we arent the only ones falling short of such goals, but in order to lift the less than 1 dollar per day chunk of the world, to simply the next step on the ladder of development....which is an enormous step toward self sufficency (just ask india) they need .7 percent of the international gdp every year. It really is not that big of a number by percentage.

Civil war may be the best thing for a country but dont confuse it for a good thing. There are high costs to pay if a country is to obtain its own freedom instead of having someone shakily bestow it upon them. And if you really want a civil war, then support the removal of US troops from Iraq and let Iraq decide what shape its freedom will take.

[Carebian Knight]

I'm glad your being very reasonable about it. Most of my posts have been replied to in a very rude manner that was unneccesary. I agree the first paragraph wasn't all that relevant to my point, but it gets very annoying when people can't even spell simple words. Unless he admits that he is like 8 years old, then it will continue to annoy me.

I agree immigration is important, I also believe that America's present immigration quota's and the naturalization process, could use some work. However I don't believe and I never will believe that a nation should entirely open up it's borders to everyone who wants to come in.

I agree that we have the most power to change the global living standards, however it is still the countries responsibility to get that going. I extremely despise people that say America definately isn't the greatest nation on earth(not saying it is, because that's personal opinion) but yet feel the need to say that we don't give enough to other countries, that we don't help enough in global crisis. The last few sentences were not aimed toward you got tonkaed. The biggest provider of the UN's army and funding for that army is provided by America. You can't say otherwise because it is obvious. Not to say that other nations like Great Britain don't help.

I don't confuse civil war for a good thing, however I stick by my opinion that it is good for a country. However, as soon as another country enters that war it's no longer a civil war. I agree America has made a mess of Iraq, now it is our responsibility to help fix it. If I was old enough, I would gladly volunteer myself for duty in Iraq, however I am only 15, and my parents definately won't let me until I'm out of college.

[Iliad]

And to Iz Man's quote about US and Europe. America became so prosperous became they had a shitload of space and the two world wars fucked up Europe's economy

endeavor to persevere.........

All these American-bashing threads are hilarious.
It cracks me up on how "concerned" and opinionated Euro's (here on CC, go figure) are when it comes to the U.S. when we couldn't care less.
That's one of many reasons why America prospers....
We don't care what you people think.


My screen gets greener & greener from all this envy every day.

If all you Euros put as much effort into making your own countries prosperous instead of pissing & moaning about the U.S. all the time like whiny little children, then maybe you'd enjoy some of the fruits of prosperity.

Until then, go on with your trash talk. It matters not.
We'll just sit back and enjoy being prosperous Americans. Laughing at all you little socialists across the pond who just can't seem to figure out how to get past all this hatred of the U.S. so that you become a bit more productive.

First of all if you had the intelligence to look at my profile you would've seen that I'm Australian. Second of all you did achieve all that prosperity because you had a lot of space unlike the European countries and the two World Wars completely destroyed the European economies and countries had to lend money from American banks!
And the two statements that Neutrinos quoted were extremely stupid.

[Neutrino]

And I notice that yet again your valuable time was taken up so much by writing your brilliant, brilliant 6 word statement that you were unable to spend a whole 15 or so seconds and a huge 3-4 words summarising your reasons for mere mortals such as I.

Obviously anyone who disagrees with you ranks so lowly in your opinion that they are not, in fact, worthy of 15 seconds effort.

Neutrino, the reason that I only took about 15 seconds to respond to your post was for the simple reason that - hold on, I just got some mail. I'll be right back...

(Dear Sir, listed below is a brief summary of the activity on your investment account with our firm for the last quarter. Wal-Mart - up a little, Kaiser - down, Level 3 Comm - holding steady. Wait, what's this? Halliburton - up again! Wowee! I am so glad I acted on that stock tip I received from the Republican Party back in late 2002.)

...ok, I'm back. I'd love to discuss this further, but it appears that Iran has a lot of natural copper, iron ore, zinc, and of course - OIL! I have to go talk to my broker about buying shares of Freeport-McMoran. I mean after all, our troops are right next door to Tehran. Sorry BHP Billiton, but it appears that a friend of a friend of a friend of Karl Rove works for Freeport-McMoran.

Yet another paragraph which has nothing to do with anything. I am coming to the conclusion (actually, I came to the conclusion about the same time that he gave up in the original thread) that luns dosen't actually have any reasoning for his beliefs worthy of the common house cat. If you want to prove me wrong luns, go ahead. It'll take you all of a hundredth of the time that it took you to type up this piece of nonsense.
Really, luns, lowering yourself to the level of Xtra does nothing for anyone's opinion of you.

[Neutrino]

3. If the US were truely the greatest, then it would let everyone in. Only those who the US decides to let within it's borders (i.e. those with valuable skills to the US) are allowed to enter. If it truely had a 'culture of humanitarian giving' then it's borders would not be inforced at all; they would be left unguarded, sinse all people would be viewed as equal and all would be given an equal chance to make a life in 'the greatest nation on earth'.

First, I can't believe I'm going to argue with someone who can't spell sense. Second, letting everyone in who wants would be stupid, we let in those who have valuable skills, so that they can do something in this country, not come here and earn the right to sit on their asses in front of a computer all day instead of going to school and learning how to spell words like sense.

Actually, if you look very, very closely to the phrasing around the word in question, you will note that it is far more likely that the word is, in fact, since and not sense.
Please, in future, when correcting my spelling, make sure your correction is correct.

You answered your own question, because they are Citizens.

How does this make them any more worthy to be employed? Because they have the appropriate piece of paper? Employment should be decided on merit, not on who has what pieces of paper.

I didn't realize that the US had the power to change the standard of living in other countries, isn't that supposed to be done by those countries.

Sure it can. Use some of that money being used to keep illegals out of the country to improve trade or tourism within Mexico. Volia, instant GDP growth and a better standard of living.

Civil war in my opinion is good for a country, it allows them to work out their own problems. Instead of calling in another country to do it for them.

And the two million dead are what... a detail?

[Iliad]

[quote="Carebian Knight]Civil war in my opinion is good for a country, it allows them to work out their own problems. Instead of calling in another country to do it for them.[/quote]
Uhh...WHAT? So the people dying and the unrest and the complete loss of economy and life is good for a country?

[Iz Man]

couldn't care less

FINALLY someone gets it right.

I forgot to add:
"nor should we"

[Iz Man]

First of all if you had the intelligence to look at my profile you would've seen that I'm Australian. Second of all you did achieve all that prosperity because you had a lot of space unlike the European countries and the two World Wars completely destroyed the European economies and countries had to lend money from American banks!
And the two statements that Neutrinos quoted were extremely stupid.

First of all, why in the world would I waste 30 seconds of my time just to find out where you come from when I don't care?
Second of all, you're making excuses just like your European parents here.
Third of all, what's stupid about my comments? The fact that you don't understand them?
Fourth of all, you're welcome for the Battle of Coral Sea.

[Titanic]

Yes, the reason you have a large economy is because we moan all the time. The reason USA has a large economy is because they do not moan. Nothing to do with the fact they have a population 5x bigger then almost every European country, have much more space, more natural resources, didnt have their whole country flattened by millions of tonnes of bombs during the two world wars, or the fact that they received a huge influx of immigrants during the late 1800's and early 1900's which kick started their economy whilst Europe was preparing for war, or the fact that they are right next to Mexico which provides them with millions of immigrants to fill the jobs the general USA citizens deem not good enough for them. The actual reason you have a larger economy is because you do not moan. Yer...right....

Excuses excuses excuses........
Keep making them.
I'll just sit back and enjoy a delicious homebrew.

Oh, and giggle while reading you trying to rationalize your depression.

Thats your reply? Thats just ignorance, and the fact you cannot come up with a reply which answer the questions.

[Iz Man]

Excuses excuses excuses........
Keep making them.
I'll just sit back and enjoy a delicious homebrew.

Oh, and giggle while reading you trying to rationalize your depression.

Thats your reply? Thats just ignorance, and the fact you cannot come up with a reply which answer the questions.

Its the reply worthy of your depression as a result of your blind hatred for the U.S.
The point is we don't care what you Euros think of the U.S., especially teenage Euros.
So keep on coming up with your adolescent excuses, it doesn't change who we are, and who you are. We'll continue to kick back & enjoy our prosperity, and you'll continue to piss and moan about oh how bad we are.
It's laughable.

Now...... where'd I put that beer.....

[luns101]

Yet another paragraph which has nothing to do with anything. I am coming to the conclusion (actually, I came to the conclusion about the same time that he gave up in the original thread) that luns dosen't actually have any reasoning for his beliefs worthy of the common house cat. If you want to prove me wrong luns, go ahead. It'll take you all of a hundredth of the time that it took you to type up this piece of nonsense.
Really, luns, lowering yourself to the level of Xtra does nothing for anyone's opinion of you.

In order to redeem myself I hereby appoint a special commission to solve the world's problems. Congrats Neutrino, you have been selected to join an elite team consisting of Michael Moore, Rosie O'Donnell, George Soros, Sean Penn, and Al Franken. Kanye West also said he will join, but only on the condition that Iliad would be on the commission. (He loves the way that Iliad uses cliches). Now keep in mind that no problems actually have to be solved...only complained about. Good luck crusaders!

[vtmarik]

Yet another paragraph which has nothing to do with anything. I am coming to the conclusion (actually, I came to the conclusion about the same time that he gave up in the original thread) that luns dosen't actually have any reasoning for his beliefs worthy of the common house cat. If you want to prove me wrong luns, go ahead. It'll take you all of a hundredth of the time that it took you to type up this piece of nonsense.
Really, luns, lowering yourself to the level of Xtra does nothing for anyone's opinion of you.

In order to redeem myself I hereby appoint a special commission to solve the world's problems. Congrats Neutrino, you have been selected to join an elite team consisting of Michael Moore, Rosie O'Donnell, George Soros, Sean Penn, and Al Franken. Kanye West also said he will join, but only on the condition that Iliad would be on the commission. (He loves the way that Iliad uses cliches). Now keep in mind that no problems actually have to be solved...only complained about. Good luck crusaders!

I predict that this thread is only two or three posts away from reacting critical mass, who will increase the needless histrionics next?