DaGip Concedes & Accepts Captain 11

[Juan_Bottom]

Actually, I didn't join the marines because of our government(Bush). And I had been planning on it since the third grade.

You must understand, I'm not siding with a certain balance of power or leader or anything. I'm siding with the United States Government and the Constitution that it upholds, and I made an oath, and will again several times, to aid in upholding that Constitution and to defend it from all enemies, foreign and domestic. If I didn't agree with the Constitution, I wouldn't fight to uphold it, and I certainly am not joining for political reasons.

I sided with the Constitution over the government. Our government does not uphold the Constitution. <--Our whole body of government is illegal and unconstitutional.
Check out Kucinich's impeachment articles for a shortened list. G. Bush won't even honor treaties that the U.S. has signed, what kind of BS is that? And he personally endangered our entire worlwide spy network, those two things alone make our Government illegal.

While I have nothing against soldiers or even you, lets be honest here. How is fighting for an illegal government ever going to be considered defending the Constitution?

[DaGip]

It's not just the leaders going in the wrong direction, the country is. Our Constitution will mean nothing in the coming years, and then what will you be defending? Don't get me wrong, I respect our armed forces, its just that they may be carrying out plans (unbeknown to them) that will in the end come back to smack you in the face.

Okay, I'll take you up on that. If in the future I find that the Constitution means nothing I will either refuse to reenlist, desert, or (assuming I'll be able to receive a commission) I'll resign my commission. I give you my word on that.

Fair enough.

Dude, don't desert...serve your country, and then decide to not reenlist. But if you don't have a strong plan after the Marines, you will always go back. My brother has seen that over and over again. Because once you go in, everyone else that you know is getting a job in society, so when you get out of the Marines and get a job at BlockBuster Video, old Johnny Dumbfuck with the ear piercings and long dopey hair has already established himself as your boss.

I am feeling there is going to be a revolt in the country if we go into Iran, I don't know how you guys feel about that. We should feel lucky that we had a man like Ron Paul step up and establish himself before these things start to get out of hand. I look towards Ron Paul for leadership more than I do or ever would anyone from the Republican or Democrat parties.

[FabledIntegral]

Ron Paul would have been one of the worst things for this country. What I don't understand is how you possibly associate the Constitution with the Bible so much, and how you possibly think that gun ownership (not that I'm against it) winning in the Supreme Court would somehow be associated with anything positive in terms of religion. Nor do I understand why you'd suggest that you'd even defend yourself. For from what I'm aware, if you were a true follower of Christ you'd be a pacifist, and merely pray for those who are about to kill you and your family - pray taht they turn to Christ, instead of taking the violent path. But that's just me.

[Juan_Bottom]

Ron Paul would have been one of the worst things for this country.

Where were you when we established that he wouldn't be?

What I don't understand is how you possibly associate the Constitution with the Bible so much, and how you possibly think that gun ownership (not that I'm against it) winning in the Supreme Court would somehow be associated with anything positive in terms of religion. Nor do I understand why you'd suggest that you'd even defend yourself. For from what I'm aware, if you were a true follower of Christ you'd be a pacifist, and merely pray for those who are about to kill you and your family - pray taht they turn to Christ, instead of taking the violent path. But that's just me.

Oreo. Just didn't like the first part.

[DaGip]

Ron Paul would have been one of the worst things for this country. What I don't understand is how you possibly associate the Constitution with the Bible so much, and how you possibly think that gun ownership (not that I'm against it) winning in the Supreme Court would somehow be associated with anything positive in terms of religion. Nor do I understand why you'd suggest that you'd even defend yourself. For from what I'm aware, if you were a true follower of Christ you'd be a pacifist, and merely pray for those who are about to kill you and your family - pray taht they turn to Christ, instead of taking the violent path. But that's just me.

We already have the worst thing for this country right now. Bush's isolationist policies are killing us. And I do not associate the Constitution with the Bible, they are two different things; but I do believe the Constitution was written by a people with Christian values and principles, unlike the people trying to circumvent it today. And Jesus never taught us not to defend ourselves:

Luke 22:36
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

But one must seriously ask if attacking Iraq is indeed protecting ourselves? Or Iran for that matter.

Afghanistan was the only just war we entered into, and even the battle there is not going well.

We are screwed. Being in the military isn't going to matter when you don't have a country based on the Constitution to come home to anymore.

[DaGip]

And those that call themselves Christians but bomb and kill those fellowservants over in the Middle East, will eventually realize that they too must obey that law Christ commanded. And they will cease their slaughters and fall down upon their knees and pray for repentance, and they will realize who is the True Master. Bush don't have nothing on Him...

What the f*ck? Are you seriously insulting the U.S. armed forces for killing "fellowservants" in the Middle East?

f*ck you. Whatever respect I had for you previously is gone. Gone.

You apparently are not a Christian, so you don't fall into this subset of so-called Christians. You may carry on the works that you will be known by.

I am glad you are coming to understand the moral of the parable...

[Neoteny]

And those that call themselves Christians but bomb and kill those fellowservants over in the Middle East, will eventually realize that they too must obey that law Christ commanded. And they will cease their slaughters and fall down upon their knees and pray for repentance, and they will realize who is the True Master. Bush don't have nothing on Him...

What the f*ck? Are you seriously insulting the U.S. armed forces for killing "fellowservants" in the Middle East?

f*ck you. Whatever respect I had for you previously is gone. Gone.

You apparently are not a Christian, so you don't fall into this subset of so-called Christians. You may carry on the works that you will be known by.

I am glad you are coming to understand the moral of the parable...

By the way, your link so that I can save myself does not appear to be working...

[jay_a2j]

For from what I'm aware, if you were a true follower of Christ you'd be a pacifist, and merely pray for those who are about to kill you and your family - pray taht they turn to Christ, instead of taking the violent path. But that's just me.

I agree with this part. When Jesus was arrested, one of his disciples drew a sword and Jesus told him to put it away. I don't know if that quoted Luke verse is to be taken as "its ok to defend yourself". It does seem to go against everything Christ taught about love and forgiveness. It say's "pray for those who persecute you" not take up the sword against them.

[strike wolf]

My understanding is that while non-violence is prefered, Christ recognized that there are times when violence as a means of defense is necessary. I'm not completely clear on what situations call for violence and which do not though.

[DaGip]

And those that call themselves Christians but bomb and kill those fellowservants over in the Middle East, will eventually realize that they too must obey that law Christ commanded. And they will cease their slaughters and fall down upon their knees and pray for repentance, and they will realize who is the True Master. Bush don't have nothing on Him...

What the f*ck? Are you seriously insulting the U.S. armed forces for killing "fellowservants" in the Middle East?

f*ck you. Whatever respect I had for you previously is gone. Gone.

You apparently are not a Christian, so you don't fall into this subset of so-called Christians. You may carry on the works that you will be known by.

I am glad you are coming to understand the moral of the parable...

By the way, your link so that I can save myself does not appear to be working...

[heavycola]

Jesus saves, but Torres scores on the rebound

[Juan_Bottom]

Jesus saves, but Torres scores on the rebound

[Backglass]

Jesus saves, but Torres scores on the rebound

And for our Euro-friends...

[Juan_Bottom]

[DaGip]

:lol:

Thanks, Backglass, I needed that!

[Neoteny]

And those that call themselves Christians but bomb and kill those fellowservants over in the Middle East, will eventually realize that they too must obey that law Christ commanded. And they will cease their slaughters and fall down upon their knees and pray for repentance, and they will realize who is the True Master. Bush don't have nothing on Him...

What the f*ck? Are you seriously insulting the U.S. armed forces for killing "fellowservants" in the Middle East?

f*ck you. Whatever respect I had for you previously is gone. Gone.

You apparently are not a Christian, so you don't fall into this subset of so-called Christians. You may carry on the works that you will be known by.

I am glad you are coming to understand the moral of the parable...

By the way, your link so that I can save myself does not appear to be working...

I knew there was TRICKERY afoot!

[DaGip]

Everyone that has read my sig and clicked the link have been saved! How can I trick you into saving yourself? Either one wants to be saved or they do not.

I expect Jesus to pick me up in his UFO very soon! I want you all to join me!

[jay_a2j]

Everyone that has read my sig and clicked the link have been saved! How can I trick you into saving yourself? Either one wants to be saved or they do not.

I expect Jesus to pick me up in his UFO very soon! I want you all to join me!

The pre-tribulation rapture is a false doctrine.

[DaGip]

Everyone that has read my sig and clicked the link have been saved! How can I trick you into saving yourself? Either one wants to be saved or they do not.

I expect Jesus to pick me up in his UFO very soon! I want you all to join me!

The pre-tribulation rapture is a false doctrine.

Do you believe in the resurrection of the dead? And I believe the Rapture itself is not even really mentioned directly in the Bible, that it is all interpretation from a single verse (I don't know that verse off hand). But I do believe in UFOs and it would be cool if Jesus was in one!

[Ditocoaf]

Everyone that has read my sig and clicked the link have been saved! How can I trick you into saving yourself? Either one wants to be saved or they do not.

I expect Jesus to pick me up in his UFO very soon! I want you all to join me!

The pre-tribulation rapture is a false doctrine.

Do you believe in the resurrection of the dead? And I believe the Rapture itself is not even really mentioned directly in the Bible, that it is all interpretation from a single verse (I don't know that verse off hand). But I do believe in UFOs and it would be cool if Jesus was in one!

I also believe that there are Flying Objects that I do not know the identity of. Often an aircraft is Unidentified until it signals its identity. However, I do not currently believe that alien spacecraft has visited earth.

[heavycola]

Everyone that has read my sig and clicked the link have been saved! How can I trick you into saving yourself? Either one wants to be saved or they do not.

I expect Jesus to pick me up in his UFO very soon! I want you all to join me!

The pre-tribulation rapture is a false doctrine.

when did you work that out?

[jay_a2j]

Everyone that has read my sig and clicked the link have been saved! How can I trick you into saving yourself? Either one wants to be saved or they do not.

I expect Jesus to pick me up in his UFO very soon! I want you all to join me!

The pre-tribulation rapture is a false doctrine.

when did you work that out?

Well, can't find scripture that backs it up.

And for the record, UFO's would not be found either.

[Jenos Ridan]

Dude, don't desert...serve your country, and then decide to not reenlist. But if you don't have a strong plan after the Marines, you will always go back. My brother has seen that over and over again. Because once you go in, everyone else that you know is getting a job in society, so when you get out of the Marines and get a job at BlockBuster Video, old Johnny Dumbfuck with the ear piercings and long dopey hair has already established himself as your boss.

I have to compete with all of those types for work. The one thing I found out about employment is, the sterotype of the clean-shaven drone gets a job over the utter slob is a big load of crap; employers hire people on a whim, regardless of anything the applicant says, does or has done.

It sucks, but I still keep on plugin' away. Beats doing nothing and I have little better to do.

I am feeling there is going to be a revolt in the country if we go into Iran, I don't know how you guys feel about that. We should feel lucky that we had a man like Ron Paul step up and establish himself before these things start to get out of hand. I look towards Ron Paul for leadership more than I do or ever would anyone from the Republican or Democrat parties.

[DaGip]

I have to compete with all of those types for work. The one thing I found out about employment is, the sterotype of the clean-shaven drone gets a job over the utter slob is a big load of crap; employers hire people on a whim, regardless of anything the applicant says, does or has done.

It sucks, but I still keep on plugin' away. Beats doing nothing and I have little better to do.

Yeah, the employers take first come, first serve; and the slobs get themselves established so it's hard for someone that just got out of the military to compete. Ex-military usually have a good work ethic, but if they are fresh off the battle field...look out! This one engineer was fresh out of Iraq and came to work for my company, he was so lost. He was still reliving all that PTS bullshit! He couldn't hack the job, so our company unfortunately had to fire him. That was sad, but he wasn't really doing his job properly at all.

When I was on the road, I saw so many homeless Vietnam vets EVERYWHERE! I am wondering if I hit the road again if they would be being replaced by Iraqi/Afghani Vets?

My brother just stayed in the Marines and made a career out of it, because he knew he couldn't work for BlockBuster and let some little piss ant punk boss him around. He did it right, but his brain is full of war bullshit and he drinks heavy to deal with it. It really scares me to see him do that and it scares his wife. One of the reasons I quit drinking was in order for him to see his little bum brother not drinking and that it should be easy for a tough Marine to quit drinking. Well, he doesn't drink as much anyway, hopefully he will quit all together.

I prayed to God that he wouldn't have to go over to that war, and so far God has answered those prayers. He came really close.

I remember I called him on Veteran's day while I was on the road in Arizona. He told me he was packing his shit to go over to Iraq, because he had just received his orders and he was leaving the next day. I told him I was going to pray to God that he didn't have to go over to fight in that bullshit! And the very next day, his commander ordered him to stay in Hawaii instead and train new recruits. That is when my brother first started to believe in God, he was an atheist before, but when I told him I was going to pray to God to keep him from going over to Iraq and it happened the very next day just before he shipped out...he started to rethink his belief system, and decided that there was something behind God.

[suggs]

Yep, theres something behind God. A steaming pile of horse manure, pointing toward god, with a little sign saying "this is you"