Hillary Clinton

[Napoleon Ier]

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-ukenglandwales.html

193.000 extra potential members of the workforce [2006]. Instead, ageing workforce leads to the pension crisis. It isn't difficult arithmatic.

[got tonkaed]

yes but clearly in the short term there is a second generation immigrant population who will be willing to fill many of those vacancies who will not have the same guarantees of pension plans as the currently aging workforce. If anything, since social safety net policies tend to be xenophobic....your going to have businesses net gain from an increase in immigrant workers filling jobs of children who were never born and therefore we cannot guarantee would have even filled those jobs.

[comic boy]

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-ukenglandwales.html

193.000 extra potential members of the workforce [2006]. Instead, ageing workforce leads to the pension crisis. It isn't difficult arithmatic.

Your argument is flawed simply because,as has been pointed out by several others, abortion is NOT the key reason for the reduction in birthrates. It stands to reason that if a foetus is aborted it is because the child is not wanted, there are a myriad of reasons why this may be the case but abortion is the end product not the driving force. Not for the first time you are creating a spurious argument to camoflauge your real intent which is promotion of your moral viewpoint...cant you be honest ?

[Guiscard]

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-ukenglandwales.html

193.000 extra potential members of the workforce [2006]. Instead, ageing workforce leads to the pension crisis. It isn't difficult arithmatic.

None of those were aborted for medical reasons then? What about to save the mother, which would take one person away from the workforce and add one to it?

Furthermore, how many of those potential workers would have been jobless? I mean, we don't have 100% employment do we? I was under the impression we had about 5% unemployment. So we have 5% of people not in work at the moment. And if abortions were a) illegal and b) didn't happen illegally (which is another argument entirely) we would simply have a greater level of unemployment, not a better economy. MORE people with job seekers allowance. The employment rate in the UK is increasing. We have more people in employment than ever. Unfortunately the unemployment rate is also increasing. We have an increasing population already. Your 193,000 would have no effect on that whatsoever...

And finally, the abortion rate given by statistics.gov.uk is 17.8 per 1,000 women. In the 1960s that was about the number of infant deaths. Now infant mortality is something like 4 or 5 for every 1000. How many people have we SAVED in terms of better healthcare? That comes close to equalling the abortion rate. Furthermore, our current level of healthcare allows people to work longer than ever before. Living longer means you make more contribution to the economy throughout your life.

In the face of all that how you can sit there an say that abortion is killing the economy is beyond my comprehension... Fair enough, rally against employment laws or immigrants pushing proper natives out of their jobs (as futiles as that argument may be), but this one simply has absolutely no grounding in reality! We still have unemployment.

[Mr_Adams]

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-ukenglandwales.html

193.000 extra potential members of the workforce [2006]. Instead, ageing workforce leads to the pension crisis. It isn't difficult arithmatic.

None of those were aborted for medical reasons then? What about to save the mother, which would take one person away from the workforce and add one to it?

Furthermore, how many of those potential workers would have been jobless? I mean, we don't have 100% employment do we? I was under the impression we had about 5% unemployment. So we have 5% of people not in work at the moment. And if abortions were a) illegal and b) didn't happen illegally (which is another argument entirely) we would simply have a greater level of unemployment, not a better economy. MORE people with job seekers allowance. The employment rate in the UK is increasing. We have more people in employment than ever. Unfortunately the unemployment rate is also increasing. We have an increasing population already. Your 193,000 would have no effect on that whatsoever...

And finally, the abortion rate given by statistics.gov.uk is 17.8 per 1,000 women. In the 1960s that was about the number of infant deaths. Now infant mortality is something like 4 or 5 for every 1000. How many people have we SAVED in terms of better healthcare? That comes close to equalling the abortion rate. Furthermore, our current level of healthcare allows people to work longer than ever before. Living longer means you make more contribution to the economy throughout your life.

In the face of all that how you can sit there an say that abortion is killing the economy is beyond my comprehension... Fair enough, rally against employment laws or immigrants pushing proper natives out of their jobs (as futiles as that argument may be), but this one simply has absolutely no grounding in reality! We still have unemployment.

That's because that 5% is a bunch of lazy people living on wellfare. If my 16 yearold friends can get jobs at fastfood restraunts, or even some of the nicer restraunts in the Casinos, and my 17 year old friend can work at Hastings, and my other 17 year old frien can be the Manager at McDonalds, that other 5% of the population has no excuse but lazyness because the government allows them to sit on thier asses.

[Guiscard]

That's because that 5% is a bunch of lazy people living on wellfare. If my 16 yearold friends can get jobs at fastfood restraunts, or even some of the nicer restraunts in the Casinos, and my 17 year old friend can work at Hastings, and my other 17 year old frien can be the Manager at McDonalds, that other 5% of the population has no excuse but lazyness because the government allows them to sit on thier asses.

Give this man a fucking medal. Way to miss the point...

Would the 193,000 simply emerge from the womb fully eager and ready to work? Even if we ignore the social statistics regarding abortion (i.e. more from working class mothers, the social group amongst whom unemployment is highest) that still makes no sense.

[Snorri1234]

That's because that 5% is a bunch of lazy people living on wellfare. If my 16 yearold friends can get jobs at fastfood restraunts, or even some of the nicer restraunts in the Casinos, and my 17 year old friend can work at Hastings, and my other 17 year old frien can be the Manager at McDonalds, that other 5% of the population has no excuse but lazyness because the government allows them to sit on thier asses.

Actually, many people do have trouble getting a job. These include the people who were fired and are considered too old for the job. (A big problem.) And those people who have to deal with racism. (People named Muhammed have more trouble getting an interview than those named Jack.)

Even those people who are overqualified for most things. I know the argument about how you can't be overqualified, but many employers see it differently. They opt for a person they can depend on to work for longer at their company because those people can't easily get better jobs.

I'm sure there are quite a few lazy bastards who don't want to get jobs, but most actually do want to get more money.

[Guiscard]

Even those people who are overqualified for most things. I know the argument about how you can't be overqualified, but many employers see it differently. They opt for a person they can depend on to work for longer at their company because those people can't easily get better jobs.

Indeed. Many of my peers have come across this problem after University. Luckily, I chose to stick at it permanently and never actually face the real world...

[Mr_Adams]

Even those people who are overqualified for most things. I know the argument about how you can't be overqualified, but many employers see it differently. They opt for a person they can depend on to work for longer at their company because those people can't easily get better jobs.

Indeed. Many of my peers have come across this problem after University. Luckily, I chose to stick at it permanently and never actually face the real world...

As we can tell

[Snorri1234]

Even those people who are overqualified for most things. I know the argument about how you can't be overqualified, but many employers see it differently. They opt for a person they can depend on to work for longer at their company because those people can't easily get better jobs.

Indeed. Many of my peers have come across this problem after University. Luckily, I chose to stick at it permanently and never actually face the real world...

Yeah, it's a good thing I'm studying medicine so at least I'll have a guarantee of a job. At least I hope so.

We'll see in 10 years.

[Mr_Adams]

good luck with that, my brother in law is in medicine. good field to be trained in for sure.

[Neoteny]

We're talking about abortion here? I'm don't have time to read all the posts right now, but has anybody mentioned what would happen if all abortions were outlawed? Coat hangers, anyone? Death by hemmhorage? Are these pleasant images?

And I saw something about falling birth rates, which, as a biology major, I can't see as anything but a good thing at this point in our destruction of the world.

Just ignore me if I'm repeating anything that's already been said.

[Dancing Mustard]

Napoleon Ier is the best argument for abortion I've ever seen.

[radiojake]

That's because that 5% is a bunch of lazy people living on wellfare. If my 16 yearold friends can get jobs at fastfood restraunts, or even some of the nicer restraunts in the Casinos, and my 17 year old friend can work at Hastings, and my other 17 year old frien can be the Manager at McDonalds, that other 5% of the population has no excuse but lazyness because the government allows them to sit on thier asses.

Wow you are retarded. A couple of things, your 16 and 17 year old friends have jobs at those places because the legal wage for teenagers is a lot less than someone who is over 21, so ofcourse the employers will choose your friends. You wait til they turn 21, if they are still at the same employment, they will find themselves losing shifts to some 16 and 17 year olds

Also your deadbeat mate who is manager at McDonalds, what a f*ck head. People who don't have jobs are contributing to society more than any McDonald's manager.

[Mr_Adams]

We're talking about abortion here? I'm don't have time to read all the posts right now, but has anybody mentioned what would happen if all abortions were outlawed? Coat hangers, anyone? Death by hemmhorage? Are these pleasant images?

And I saw something about falling birth rates, which, as a biology major, I can't see as anything but a good thing at this point in our destruction of the world.

Just ignore me if I'm repeating anything that's already been said.

ok, good argument, all I can say is that ya, all abortions should be ban with the exception of births which endanger the mother's life...

[Heimdall]

Oh look, Abortion rate went down and so did teen pregnancy. So much for the argument that abortion is a form of birth control.

[jay_a2j]

Oh look, Abortion rate went down and so did teen pregnancy. So much for the argument that abortion is a form of birth control.

Do you think before you post?

[got tonkaed]

all i know is someone is going to get pwned when i wake back up less drunk than i am now to set people straight about whatever foolishness they are posting now.

[muy_thaiguy]

all i know is someone is going to get pwned when i wake back up less drunk than i am now to set people straight about whatever foolishness they are posting now.

So I get free reign?

[bradleybadly]

Would anyone care to give a run down of her policies for us crazy foreigners?

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton.htm

I don't like her policies by the way but you can decide for yourself.

Who the hell is Luns and why is he running for president?

[muy_thaiguy]

Would anyone care to give a run down of her policies for us crazy foreigners?

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton.htm

I don't like her policies by the way but you can decide for yourself.

Who the hell is Luns and why is he running for president?

All I have to say is,

[got tonkaed]

all i know is someone is going to get pwned when i wake back up less drunk than i am now to set people straight about whatever foolishness they are posting now.

watch out for this guy, he sounds pretty tough.

[Neoteny]

We're talking about abortion here? I'm don't have time to read all the posts right now, but has anybody mentioned what would happen if all abortions were outlawed? Coat hangers, anyone? Death by hemmhorage? Are these pleasant images?

And I saw something about falling birth rates, which, as a biology major, I can't see as anything but a good thing at this point in our destruction of the world.

Just ignore me if I'm repeating anything that's already been said.

ok, good argument, all I can say is that ya, all abortions should be ban with the exception of births which endanger the mother's life...

I can't agree with that. Women will get abortions whether you ban them or not. I'd rather they get them done in a sterile hospital than some quack's house. Banning abortions will endanger mothers.

[Napoleon Ier]

Allowing abortions is legally condoning homicide. Abortion should be banned, and anyone profiting from illegally performing them be tried as in any murder case, and executed unless found to have performed the abortion for a reasonable excuse.

[Guiscard]

Allowing abortions is legally condoning homicide. Abortion should be banned, and anyone profiting from illegally performing them be tried as in any murder case, and executed unless found to have performed the abortion for a reasonable excuse.

How wonderfully ironic.