Immigration

[Backglass]

Nope. The difference between myself and yourself, Norsey, is that I'm not a racist f*ck.

QFT.

me and my neanderthal lineage has contributed and built towards this economically thriving nation of goat ropers

[Norse]

The difference between myself and yourself, Norsey, is that I'm not a racist f*ck.

Guissy old chap, this phrase has been rendered and misused out of sheer idiocy , into a meaningless slur, that is used by the weak-minded fools who are unable to face the simple, simple truths of the matter.

I think your statement tells people more about you, than it does about me

Until last year I lived on an estate in central Leeds where the community was something like 75% Somalian. Can you guess whether these people made up the majority of those dossing in pubs whilst claiming incapacity benefit or jobseekers? I'll help you out... No. They weren't. The majority of the unemployed where us solvenly whites. Some admirable culture we have, eh?

This is purely subjective. If the white people of leeds decided to spend their benefits on beer,as opposed to the somalians who decide to spend their benefit money on other things, still does not really scientifically prove anything, apart from the fact that you lived in a shit-hole, which is hardly suprising.

[Norse]

me and my neanderthal lineage has contributed and built towards this economically thriving nation of goat ropers

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So, apart from earning poncey-points in online risk forums, do you really do much else?

[Norse]

hahaha yes, the stiff upper lipped englishman is a beacon of self-control, tidiness, hard work and he never ever scrounges off benefits. It must be his german/french/nordic/celtic roots.

Can't speak for you, of course barboy, but speaking on behalf of my community...Yes, without a shadow of a doubt.

Failed asylum seekers (about 80-90% of applicants fail, if i remember correctly) and illegal immigrants are given a roof over their heads - often in gated compounds or scabby B&Bs - and a paltry amount of food tokens each week provided they agree to be deported. It's called section 4 supprort and if they argue they forfeit all benefits. It provides an absolute bare minimum standard of living, and if you think that is an easy, Royle Family-type life then i don't quite know what to say. I interviewed a failed asylum seeker from Darfur last year, he was sleeping rough in Leeds and dependent on handouts from a church. I had never seen actual destitution in this country before then. If you're homeless, you get medical care, drop-in centres, support if you need it. This guy had nothing, and yet he was still too terrified of the janjaweed militias to return home. Slovenly? A work-shy fucker? Er, no.

Plucking numbers out of the air FTW!

Save your sob stories for the social worker, I'm not particularyl interested. There is a reason why he was sleeping rough, and if it is because people like me don't pay enough tax to subsidise and treat foreigners, then as far as I'm concerned there isnt enough of this happening.

You remember cardboard city in London? Or does it make a alight difference in your view that this person is "cultured". HA!

a) how many somalis or sudanese have you actually met? And have you really extrapolated these characteristic out to an entire country? The same way you have decided that englishmen are industrious, honest, and never slovenly or backward?

Never met any, I can't say that I'm rushing up to Leeds to become buddies

Again, I can't speak for yourself or any other Brit here, But I put the "I" in Industrial....I'd be made to look like a cunt around my way if I wasn't...It may be a regional thing

[Norse]

That's twice now you've mentioned my facial hair, hardly see the relevance. As for me contributing to the tax system, well that again is irrelevant. You have no idea if I work or not, or how much or little I consume (hence paying more taxes) - I don't consider monetary or industrial output to be a measure of someone's worth.

Yes, well if you're a lay-about benefit monkey, then I suppose you will be on the right end of the generous welfare system

As for the indigenous aboriginals 'problem' with working here, as you put it.

Where have I ever mentioned aboriginies in any of my posts? I was talking about the indigenous australian population, ie. white australians.

This topic is stupid. I guess i'm another those 'bleeding hearts' viewing the world through 'rose tinted glasses' - I'd rather be that than an asshole

Well, i'd rather be an ass-hole than the shit that seeps from it...but eh, thats neither here nor there.

[Norse]

Come on chaps. Is that all ya got?

4 at a time FTW! I'm the fucking man!

I'm full of win.

[heavycola]

hahaha yes, the stiff upper lipped englishman is a beacon of self-control, tidiness, hard work and he never ever scrounges off benefits. It must be his german/french/nordic/celtic roots.

Can't speak for you, of course barboy, but speaking on behalf of my community...Yes, without a shadow of a doubt.

your community? what, portsmouth?

Failed asylum seekers (about 80-90% of applicants fail, if i remember correctly) and illegal immigrants are given a roof over their heads - often in gated compounds or scabby B&Bs - and a paltry amount of food tokens each week provided they agree to be deported. It's called section 4 supprort and if they argue they forfeit all benefits. It provides an absolute bare minimum standard of living, and if you think that is an easy, Royle Family-type life then i don't quite know what to say. I interviewed a failed asylum seeker from Darfur last year, he was sleeping rough in Leeds and dependent on handouts from a church. I had never seen actual destitution in this country before then. If you're homeless, you get medical care, drop-in centres, support if you need it. This guy had nothing, and yet he was still too terrified of the janjaweed militias to return home. Slovenly? A work-shy fucker? Er, no.

Plucking numbers out of the air FTW!

Save your sob stories for the social worker, I'm not particularyl interested. There is a reason why he was sleeping rough, and if it is because people like me don't pay enough tax to subsidise and treat foreigners, then as far as I'm concerned there isnt enough of this happening.

It wasn't a sob story, I was merely pointing out how monumentally wrong you were. Illegal immigrants and failed asylum seekers get the minimum they need to live until they get kicked out. They certainly don't keep great british hard-working families from portsmouth out of council houses. That's all.
Not sure what cardboard city has to do with anything, but i'm sure it was very important.

a) how many somalis or sudanese have you actually met? And have you really extrapolated these characteristic out to an entire country? The same way you have decided that englishmen are industrious, honest, and never slovenly or backward?

Never met any, I can't say that I'm rushing up to Leeds to become buddies

Again, I can't speak for yourself or any other Brit here, But I put the "I" in Industrial....I'd be made to look like a cunt around my way if I wasn't...It may be a regional thing

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I'm not suggesting you don't work hard, and i'm sure it's all for the pride of your community and country. But to slur whole countries worth of people, about whom you know absolutely nothing, is either a) racist or b) trolling. Either way i think that says more about you, frankly.


Is that all you got? laughable generalisations and the wrong end of various sticks?

[Backglass]

do you really do much else?

Besides triple your "industrial goat-roper" paycheck?

poncey-points

"Poncey"....so quaint. Back to the school yard little girl.

[strike wolf]

The immigrant problem in the U.S. is a delicate system. On one hand, I believe the cost-benefit chart shows that they cost the economy roughly $60 billion per year and create a $51 billion benefit. However on the other hand, they fill jobs that would be impossible to replace. It's a delicate balance and one that needs to be treaded carefully.

[radiojake]

Where have I ever mentioned aboriginies in any of my posts? I was talking about the indigenous australian population, ie. white australians.

Well you're an idiot then, white australians are not indigenous. I also find it amusing that you assume that I am on welfare.

[Caleb the Cruel]

1. Build the Wall of Mexico from the Pacific to Texas.
2. Widen/deepen the Rio Grande along the Texas-Mexico border.
3. Give illegals currently within the US an easy, quick path to citizenship.
4. Form a better temporary-worker program.
5. Make the naturalization process shorter(2yrs tops instead of 10yrs) for future immigrants.

There, that's the key to solving the illegal immigration problem.

[got tonkaed]

1. Build the Wall of Mexico from the Pacific to Texas.
2. Widen/deepen the Rio Grande along the Texas-Mexico border.
3. Give illegals currently within the US an easy, quick path to citizenship.
4. Form a better temporary-worker program.
5. Make the naturalization process shorter(2yrs tops instead of 10yrs) for future immigrants.

There, that's the key to solving the illegal immigration problem.

the wall is a pretty good way to waste a whole bunch of money and not actually solve some of the issues involved with the problem. I cant remember the estimates for something like that but im pretty sure, in the middle of this relatively inexpensive middle east saunter we have the money for it somewhere. We probably also could widen that river while we are at it, its not like its that long.

3-5 are better ideas.

We need a something on the federal level right now though that could change some of the tide. I saw an interesting interview on one of the morning shows today that suggested the fact that different states are running into unforeseen problems by having to create their own laws dealing with employment. Interstate commerce and local service industries are being hurt pretty badly as a result. Since theres differences between the state laws (in efforts to bridge the gap for the lack of a federal action) many immigrants are moving out of areas like oklahoma city, to places like dallas, because the texas law is less stringent than the oklahoma one.

One grocery store owner claimed she was losing 75,000 a week because of the loss of the illegal and legal immigrant migration (since legal immigrants often move with their illegal family members).

it all reminds me of the scene in Fight Club where Tyler Durton essentially tells the mayor not to f*ck with his underground fight scene, because he needs all of the people who are involved.

[FenrisLoki]

On the case linked to by the original poster, I think there's such a thing as a greater good and lesser evil thing going on. Oscar Ayala-Cornejo broke a relatively minor law (falsely identifying himself as American) in order to preserve greater laws and social stability (keeping dangerous illegal activity out of neighborhoods).

I have a few comments on other topics included in the above thread. Over the past two decades, the United States has come to rely upon the well-developed education systems of foreign countries instead of improving American schools. Tax dollars were instead wasted on a screwed up health system, military budgets, and other dead-end projects. American businesses still had lots of jobs that needed doing, so they imported educated immigrants who could do the jobs native Americans couldn't. For the past 7 years, even legal immigrants have faced more difficult and longer waits than ever before being allowed to work in the United States permanently due to hightening American xenophobia both against "terrorists" and illegal immigrants. The current economic crises facing the United States can be partially understood as steming from a lack of well-educated immigrants coming to the States, instead staying in their home countries (especially China and India) to develop their own businesses.

Even with regards to uneducated illegal immigrants, the US needs them. American standards of living are impossible to maintain without the near-slave wages paid to illegals. Without making a judgement on whether it's right to keep illegals in a state of near poverty, if it's made too hard for them to smuggle themselves into the States they'll just stop coming, and then who will do our gardening or our laundry or farm our food or work in our factories or serve us our burgers or fix our cars or really anything else that Americans are frankly too lazy to do themselves?

I say, leave the borders more or less unguarded but keep illegal immigration a punishable offense (maybe with jailtime so we don't even have to pay them for the work they do). That way, we we can continue to use them. Meanwhile, with regards to intelligent immigrants we should open our borders completely and indeed we should offer educated immigrants incentives to enter our country.

[Napoleon Ier]

yes it seems to me the question is about control, and frnkly we need more of it.
That's not to say no immigrants, but selective economic migration.

And NO CITIZENSHIP except after completetion of (in peace time) agood 2-3 years in the armed forces of the Nation in question, or performing another useful task to prove one's love of it in the case of those being medically unfit.
Preliminary tests must be done to ensure ofcourse, they speak the lingo and know the country's history and roots, and are willing to assume them as their own. I like to think of this as adoption of a new family member, as a metaphor.

[Guiscard]

And NO CITIZENSHIP except after completetion of (in peace time) agood 2-3 years in the armed forces of the Nation in question, or performing another useful task to prove one's love of it in the case of those being medically unfit.
Preliminary tests must be done to ensure ofcourse, they speak the lingo and know the country's history and roots, and are willing to assume them as their own. I like to think of this as adoption of a new family member, as a metaphor.

I take it you've spent time in the forces then?

[Napoleon Ier]

And NO CITIZENSHIP except after completetion of (in peace time) agood 2-3 years in the armed forces of the Nation in question, or performing another useful task to prove one's love of it in the case of those being medically unfit.
Preliminary tests must be done to ensure ofcourse, they speak the lingo and know the country's history and roots, and are willing to assume them as their own. I like to think of this as adoption of a new family member, as a metaphor.

I take it you've spent time in the forces then?

For immigrants to acquire it I mean. I still intend to perform military service though, as I believe it is a duty, even if it cannot be made obligatory.

[Nappy crier]

Muslims and Poles, they're fine... Daily-Mail-approved prejudice FTW!

Do you ever find yourself yawning when you read through your responses? I do.

Guissy, among your limited refutation and attack strategies, this is possibly the best. However, I think you will find that you use it in a sweeping and untimely way. I thought we were talking about illegal immigration here? Such as the illegal entry of somalians/algerians etc.

Now, I am sure that even you are aware that polish people are fully allowed to roam wherever they like within the UKsince the expansion of the EU. I find that polish/czech people are, broadly speaking, the best of a bad situation, as they tend to meld into british society slightly better than most other wonderful arrays of other backward, slovenly cultures.

Now, as you should be fully aware, the great majority of illegal immigration results in a long delayed process of housing and benefits before the fuckers are finally deported or allowed to stay. Particularly work-shy cultures such as somali's, sudanese and (generally speaking) the muslim world add nothing positive to our nation. They have large, hungry families that are looked after, fed and watered by soft-touched benefit service. They make very little effort to become a part of society, and prefer to loiter around with their bretheren, jobless, living off of johnny english.

The difference between myself and yourself guissy, you leachourous no-gooder, is that me and my ancestoral lineage has contributed and built towards this economically thriving nation, whereas you and your lay-about lazy-assed waster family has contributed nowt, which would also explain why you have little of no pride in your country, and are willing to give everything away. I suppose it is a vague hope for yourself that one day, when every useful and industrious person has had enough of the UK and left, that this will be not quite so apparant, as your new country men are as inadequate as yourself.

hey Norse,

Arn't you immigrating out to Australia soon? Hypocrite??

Maybe if I were an illegal immigrant jake, you silly little bearded freak.

I am coming over to work and prosper, yes. Apparantly, the indigenous population of OZ seems to have a problem with working. You are missing vital trades-people that are neccessary for the expansion of your country.

I am sure that you will be happy to know that I only come to improve it, it wouldn't be possible for me to claim anything off of the government, except the odd medical check-up.

Not that these particular issues are of concern to a naive airhead like yourself, as you probably dont contribute a great deal to the tax system of your country.... thus substantiating your cripplingly poor foresight.

I agree.

[suggs]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm now where did the Norsemen come from?

[Nappy crier]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm now where did the Norsemen come from?

Not Somalia.

Plus, I think the ol' welfare system was a little archaic back in them days..

[DAZMCFC]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm now where did the Norsemen come from?

from Portsmouth suggsy.

[suggs]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm now where did the Norsemen come from?

from Portsmouth suggsy.

Another ancient anthropological mystery solved!

[HapSmo19]

1. Send illegal mexicans back over the rio grande via circus cannon.

Thats probably not a solution for anything but it would be really cool.
"JUAN HERNANDEZ.......INCOMING!"

[Nappy crier]

Certainly an excellent thread....14 pages of me and nap pooning everyone!

[Snorri1234]

Certainly an excellent thread....14 pages of me and nap pooning everyone!

Not from where I am sitting, but then again I don't remember the whole thread anymore and I am too lazy now to read it all again.

[Juan_Bottom]

Why don't we fill the Rio up with Crocodiles? Anyone who can swim across that deserves to be an American. I would be proud to call that man my neighbor.