Lord of the Rings

[Iz Man]

Which Tolkien book is the best, outside of Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit?

Silmarillion. IMHO

Unfinished Tales is excellent as well.

[cpto01]

Does anyone know much about starting tournaments? I saw the post for a heaven vs hell tourney and it looked interesting how it was set up with different classes fighting each other. What about a LOTR tourney?

[The1exile]

Does anyone know much about starting tournaments? I saw the post for a heaven vs hell tourney and it looked interesting how it was set up with different classes fighting each other. What about a LOTR tourney?

You need to get tournament rights from a tournament director so you can set one up. It's a good idea but quite a lot of work.

[Jenos Ridan]

I'd like to start a topic only for Lord of the Rings fanatics like myself. This thread will be for discussion of the books, trivia, and anything else we can think of (that is lord of the rings related)

I'd like to start the trivia with-

What was the name of the house that Aragorn founded?

or an easier one

Who was Drogo Baggins?

He founded the House of Telcontar

who succeded him?

sorry I can't find it. Shame on me

Son's name is Eldarion. Mentioned in the Silmarilion, just can't remember where......

[war_bloodline]

Was the War of Wrath greater then the Battle for Pelennor Fields?

I think it was, I just would like to have someone that knows the books better then I do, help tell me.

[Jenos Ridan]

Was the War of Wrath greater then the Battle for Pelennor Fields?

I think it was, I just would like to have someone that knows the books better then I do, help tell me.

I forget which battle, but in one single battle against morgoth, the elves had summoned a host ten thousand warriors strong. That is, if I read you right.

[war_bloodline]

Well in the battle for Pelennor Fields it was listed that about 200,000+ minons marched on for Sauron. Thats counts the Southrons and the Morgul Host, and the People of Harad, plus the The fleets from Umbar (which of course never made it).

But I cannot place hearing or reading about the numbers that came out of Thangorodrim or the numbers of the host of Valinor (plus you have to add on that the Host of Thangorodrim also was built up of balrogs and dragons). I mean that I wonder was the battle of Pelennor Fields greater of smaller then the War of Wrath (also knowen as the Great Battle), but I guess I just answered my own question.

[Jenos Ridan]

Well in the battle for Pelennor Fields it was listed that about 200,000+ minons marched on for Sauron. Thats counts the Southrons and the Morgul Host, and the People of Harad, plus the The fleets from Umbar (which of course never made it).

But I cannot place hearing or reading about the numbers that came out of Thangorodrim or the numbers of the host of Valinor (plus you have to add on that the Host of Thangorodrim also was built up of balrogs and dragons). I mean that I wonder was the battle of Pelennor Fields greater of smaller then the War of Wrath (also knowen as the Great Battle), but I guess I just answered my own question.

You forgot the men of Rhun and Khand. But I don't recall the total number at Pelennor Fields being that high.

[war_bloodline]

Well I think it was within the 100,000 range.
As just for the ones who marched for Sauron.
I am not that sure about the men and elves (who of course were off defending Lórien and then attacking Dol Guldur).

[Titanic]

Was the War of Wrath greater then the Battle for Pelennor Fields?

I think it was, I just would like to have someone that knows the books better then I do, help tell me.

War of Wrath was far greater. I remember reading the whole of the northern lands was filled with the fighting, and that the map of Middle Earth was altered(ie.Sirion source destroyed) and other stuff. Also, Elrond said that thehost of the alliance was grand and large, but not so much as the valar one.

[war_bloodline]

Was the War of Wrath greater then the Battle for Pelennor Fields?

I think it was, I just would like to have someone that knows the books better then I do, help tell me.

War of Wrath was far greater. I remember reading the whole of the northern lands was filled with the fighting, and that the map of Middle Earth was altered(ie.Sirion source destroyed) and other stuff. Also, Elrond said that thehost of the alliance was grand and large, but not so much as the valar one.

Does it give any clues as to about how many were there on each side.

[Iz Man]

War of Wrath was far greater. I remember reading the whole of the northern lands was filled with the fighting, and that the map of Middle Earth was altered(ie.Sirion source destroyed) and other stuff. Also, Elrond said that thehost of the alliance was grand and large, but not so much as the valar one.

Agreed. The War of Wrath was far greater in scope and consequence than the battle at Pellenor.
You have to remember (as Titanic pointed out) that the entire world of Arda was changed because of it. Beleriand and the lands to the north were destroyed and sunk beneath the sea, and the shape of Middle-earth was changed.

[war_bloodline]

War of Wrath was far greater. I remember reading the whole of the northern lands was filled with the fighting, and that the map of Middle Earth was altered(ie.Sirion source destroyed) and other stuff. Also, Elrond said that thehost of the alliance was grand and large, but not so much as the valar one.

Agreed. The War of Wrath was far greater in scope and consequence than the battle at Pellenor.
You have to remember (as Titanic pointed out) that the entire world of Arda was changed because of it. Beleriand and the lands to the north were destroyed and sunk beneath the sea, and the shape of Middle-earth was changed.

When you talk about that the ground sank, do you mean like what happned to make the Dead Marshes.

[war_bloodline]

Are any of you members of Barrow Downs.com?

[dcowboys055]

Last Alliance of Elves and Men:

"The Host of Valinor the largest and most spended army ever seen in Middle Earth...."

from The World of Tolkien A to Z

[Jenos Ridan]

Well I think it was within the 100,000 range.
As just for the ones who marched for Sauron.
I am not that sure about the men and elves (who of course were off defending Lórien and then attacking Dol Guldur).

Or the Dwarves of Erebor and Men of Dale/Girion/Esgaroth fighting in the north. Trying now to remember all the fronts, but I think that about covers them all.

[Titanic]

War of Wrath was far greater. I remember reading the whole of the northern lands was filled with the fighting, and that the map of Middle Earth was altered(ie.Sirion source destroyed) and other stuff. Also, Elrond said that thehost of the alliance was grand and large, but not so much as the valar one.

Agreed. The War of Wrath was far greater in scope and consequence than the battle at Pellenor.
You have to remember (as Titanic pointed out) that the entire world of Arda was changed because of it. Beleriand and the lands to the north were destroyed and sunk beneath the sea, and the shape of Middle-earth was changed.

When you talk about that the ground sank, do you mean like what happned to make the Dead Marshes.

The dead marshes is different. That the living remains or souls (not quite sure) of the orcs and elves and human killed in the battle of dagorland, the majot battle of the last alliance. I dont recall there being anything paranormal about the deaths in the host of Valanor. Also, the last allaince took quite a bit of a battering, even though they did win, whilst the valar were only held back when the dragons and worms were released.

Does it give any clues as to about how many were there on each side.

I dont think it says anywhere how many people lived or fought for the valinor host. Its gotta be vrey large, because almost all of the host of valinor went to fight Morgoth, apart from one clan who didn go because of a dispute with Feonors family, and because they didn care for ME or something.

The first age was several thousand years, so how many ever elves were born then, because none of them die in valinor.

Btw read this, its cool. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagor_Dagorath

[Iz Man]

You have to remember (as Titanic pointed out) that the entire world of Arda was changed because of it. Beleriand and the lands to the north were destroyed and sunk beneath the sea, and the shape of Middle-earth was changed.

When you talk about that the ground sank, do you mean like what happned to make the Dead Marshes.

You have to remember that the whole world of Arda was different in the First Age. Also, the War of Wrath was a war against Morgoth (Melkor). Melkor was a "son" (for lack of a better term) of Ilúvatar himself; brother to Manwë. So in essence, they were Gods, or deities.
The War of Wrath was (some would say) the final battle in the war that really was the First Age. The First Age "started" when the Noldor came to Middle Earth to recover the Silmarils from Morgoth's Iron Crown.
There were the Wars of Beleriand (5 of them), the sack of Nargothrond, the fall of Gondolin; all of these culminating in the War of Wrath.
When the war ended Beleriand fell into the sea, and Morgoth was banished to the void.

[war_bloodline]

You have to remember (as Titanic pointed out) that the entire world of Arda was changed because of it. Beleriand and the lands to the north were destroyed and sunk beneath the sea, and the shape of Middle-earth was changed.

When you talk about that the ground sank, do you mean like what happned to make the Dead Marshes.

You have to remember that the whole world of Arda was different in the First Age. Also, the War of Wrath was a war against Morgoth (Melkor). Melkor was a "son" (for lack of a better term) of Ilúvatar himself; brother to Manwë. So in essence, they were Gods, or deities.
The War of Wrath was (some would say) the final battle in the war that really was the First Age. The First Age "started" when the Noldor came to Middle Earth to recover the Silmarils from Morgoth's Iron Crown.
There were the Wars of Beleriand (5 of them), the sack of Nargothrond, the fall of Gondolin; all of these culminating in the War of Wrath.
When the war ended Beleriand fell into the sea, and Morgoth was banished to the void.

Ahhh, ok, thatnk you Iz and Titanic.

Now my questions may make me seem like I know nothing, but I have read the books it is just it was at least year or so since I last read all five books.

[Iz Man]

Now my questions may make me seem like I know nothing, but I have read the books it is just it was at least year or so since I last read all five books.

I think I posted this link before, but here it is again anyways.

http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/

It is an awesome encyclopedia database for all things LOTR.
Easy to navigate, full of maps and LOADS of information. There is also a stand alone version available that they say is even better.

[war_bloodline]

Oh, thanks, I did not see it before so thank you.
Now I don't not have to ask so many questions.

[Jenos Ridan]

War of Wrath was far greater. I remember reading the whole of the northern lands was filled with the fighting, and that the map of Middle Earth was altered(ie.Sirion source destroyed) and other stuff. Also, Elrond said that thehost of the alliance was grand and large, but not so much as the valar one.

Agreed. The War of Wrath was far greater in scope and consequence than the battle at Pellenor.
You have to remember (as Titanic pointed out) that the entire world of Arda was changed because of it. Beleriand and the lands to the north were destroyed and sunk beneath the sea, and the shape of Middle-earth was changed.

When you talk about that the ground sank, do you mean like what happned to make the Dead Marshes.

The dead marshes is different. That the living remains or souls (not quite sure) of the orcs and elves and human killed in the battle of dagorland, the majot battle of the last alliance. I dont recall there being anything paranormal about the deaths in the host of Valanor. Also, the last allaince took quite a bit of a battering, even though they did win, whilst the valar were only held back when the dragons and worms were released.

Does it give any clues as to about how many were there on each side.

I dont think it says anywhere how many people lived or fought for the valinor host. Its gotta be vrey large, because almost all of the host of valinor went to fight Morgoth, apart from one clan who didn go because of a dispute with Feonors family, and because they didn care for ME or something.

The first age was several thousand years, so how many ever elves were born then, because none of them die in valinor.

Btw read this, its cool. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagor_Dagorath

That is a good question, how fast do Elvish populations grow? Supposedly, they're immortal but killible.

[Iz Man]

That is a good question, how fast do Elvish populations grow? Supposedly, they're immortal but killible.

I believe Elves populate just as humans do. At first I thought they would only have one child, given their immortality, but that is not the case.
Many Elves had several children.
They cannot get disease, or suffer from age; but they can "wither from grief", or die by the sword.
Even then they are reincarnated in the Halls of Valinor.

[Jenos Ridan]

That is a good question, how fast do Elvish populations grow? Supposedly, they're immortal but killible.

I believe Elves populate just as humans do. At first I thought they would only have one child, given their immortality, but that is not the case.
Many Elves had several children.
They cannot get disease, or suffer from age; but they can "wither from grief", or die by the sword.
Even then they are reincarnated in the Halls of Valinor.

You mean the Hall of Mandos? Yes, the dead of the Elves go there but can't leave last I checked.
I'd figure, since they're immortal, populations grew slower that the human norm being that Legolas was a few centuries old. Not sure how old Arwen is. I recall something now, Oh right, she is related, though many many generations removed, to her husband Aragorn/Elessar. Normally, I'd find that quite disturbing.

[Iliad]

I think elves have children much more rarely.