Peanutbutter or jelly?

[MeDeFe]

I wish you US Americans could finally get around to eliminating religion from politics.

[Neoteny]

I wish you US Americans could finally get around to eliminating religion from politics.

Then I could be president!

[Suzy1]

Then we would have someone worth voting for

[Neoteny]

Then we would have someone worth voting for

No doubt.

[Elijah S]

DaGip... I think it's wonderful that you've found Christ and decided to soldier on with Obama!
However, I've also located an article which questions Obama's loyalties and demonstrates that this thread is not just some random piece of verbage, and that the media is now gearing up to confront many of the same issues that have been brought up here.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23315711

Also, I used the link you were so good to provide and found that there were maybe a sum total of 5 - 10 people who not of African heritage attending the service. -That's called exclusionism or seperatism, regardless of whether or not the "website" invites all. -I do hope you'll make a contribution to the church and be sure to wear your Dashiki while watching it on your monitor. LOL That's so lame it actually made me laugh my ass off!

The entire doctrine of, what is now, your church, makes a mockery of the fight against segregation and The Civil Rights movement in general.
It can't be both ways... you can't expect to integrate into society and yet foster ideas which further divide it!

It was truly entertaining visiting your church, DaGip, and it only served to further my resolve to reveal this "man who would be President" for what he is.

I also noted that the Rev. Jeremy Wright is retiring. Hmmmm.... the timing might suggest that, with the Office of President at stake, perhaps seperating himself from Rev. Wright may serve to benefit Obama's campaign, as the clips I viewed left no room for doubt as to where the "Good Reverend" placed the blame for everything that afflicts the Black Community.

Thanks for the wonderful post though. What you thought was the final word only provided Obama's detractors with additional ammo with which to assault his interity and question his loyalties!

[khazalid]

heres a snippet from the above link:

WASHINGTON - Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism.

Now Obama's wife, Michelle, has drawn their ire, too, for saying recently that she's really proud of her country for the first time in her adult life.

Conservative consultants say that combined, the cases could be an issue for Obama in the general election if he wins the nomination, especially as he runs against Vietnam war hero Sen. John McCain.


it could well be, but then it didnt count much against bush did it, with the AWOL and desertion &c.? i can only reiterate my desire to see you all blown up.

and as much as it pains me to actually have to point this out, the phrase "said on Fox" should emit a collective sneer of derision, not a pious cry to the heavens because he didnt PUT HIS FUCKING HAND ON HIS HEART YOU IGNORANT PIG FUCKING REDNECK CUNT. seriously, go get pregnant so you can increase that brain cell count.

forum ban me, it was worth it.

[Elijah S]

I cannot believe you ignored my whole long post answering every single thing you have said up to this point.

And you are truly an idiot if you believe that Obama is a Muslim. "Born to a Kenyan father and an American mother, he spent most of his childhood in Honolulu, Hawaii". There is no, I repeat, NO basis in ANY sort of reality WHATSOEVER for Obama being Muslim.

I think that Ron Paul is secretly a Scientologist because he has a 2 syllable name, like Tom Cruise. There, I used the same logic as you.

Oh, and I forgot to ask, what'll you do if Obama becomes president? SECEDE?

I didn't regard your "novel" as something worthy of my time.
But, certainly his Kenyan father is Muslim and his "Christian" church is considered by many to be associated with the Black Muslim community.

One thing you said about my Cherokee Heritage I will address...
I think it's a stretch comparing billions in aid to Africa to the attempted genocide of the Native America people. I really don't see a correlation, but I'm sure with all of your expansive worldly knowledge and need to get the last word in, you'll come up with something that makes you look like a little less of an idiot.

If Obama wins the Presidency I think it will clearly demonstrate that the Civil Rights movement has reached an end, and perhaps we'll stop hearing the persistent whining about discrimination and oppression which has become a mainstay of minorities and they're liberal white counterparts.

Then you, too, can wear a Dashiki and think that you bet on the right horse while you honor a community that would sooner throw you under a bus than exhibit the slightest degree of reciprocal respect!

[jecko7]

I cannot believe you ignored my whole long post answering every single thing you have said up to this point.

And you are truly an idiot if you believe that Obama is a Muslim. "Born to a Kenyan father and an American mother, he spent most of his childhood in Honolulu, Hawaii". There is no, I repeat, NO basis in ANY sort of reality WHATSOEVER for Obama being Muslim.

I think that Ron Paul is secretly a Scientologist because he has a 2 syllable name, like Tom Cruise. There, I used the same logic as you.

Oh, and I forgot to ask, what'll you do if Obama becomes president? SECEDE?

I didn't regard your "novel" as something worthy of my time.
But, certainly his Kenyan father is Muslim and his "Christian" church is considered by many to be associated with the Black Muslim community.

One thing you said about my Cherokee Heritage I will address...
I think it's a stretch comparing billions in aid to Africa to the attempted genocide of the Native America people. I really don't see a correlation, but I'm sure with all of your expansive worldly knowledge and need to get the last word in, you'll come up with something that makes you look like a little less of an idiot.

If Obama wins the Presidency I think it will clearly demonstrate that the Civil Rights movement has reached an end, and perhaps we'll stop hearing the persistent whining about discrimination and oppression which has become a mainstay of minorities and they're liberal white counterparts.

Then you, too, can wear a Dashiki and think that you bet on the right horse while you honor a community that would sooner throw you under a bus than exhibit the slightest degree of reciprocal respect!

You didn't regard my novel as worthy of my time? Shame, if you had read it, you would've had the answers to a bunch of your statements just now.

From now on, I feel justified saying: Refer to my novel. That proves you are wrong, too bad you didn't read it.

And is it really a stretch comparing Indians to Africans (I'm using Indians to refer to Cherokees and other tribes...I know you won't mind, considering you don't care for political correctness nor tact). Two ethnic groups being oppressed and in need. One the US attempts to wipe out, and the other we attempt to save. I find it ironic that after all the Indians went through, you're not willing to pitch in for the Africans.

Hey, since we're ignoring each other's posts now, I figure I'll ask a question that's been bugging me. If you support the Confederacy, how can YOU be expected to keep the welfare of all in mind (including those pesky Northerners)? Isn't it a little hypocritical for you to insult Obama and the Trinity Church while at the same time having a bigotted outlook on life yourself?

Next time I'll put my post in a voiceover to an episode of Sesame Street, maybe then you'll be able to pay attention, hmmm?

[Guiscard]

If you support the Confederacy, how can YOU be expected to keep the welfare of all in mind (including those pesky Northerners)? Isn't it a little hypocritical for you to insult Obama and the Trinity Church while at the same time having a bigotted outlook on life yourself?

Exactly.

I've still not been given an answer: Christian or Muslim? If he is a Muslim (or, somehow, both a Christian and a Muslim) then any claim surrounding his Church whatsoever is completely by the by. If the core of his religion is a sham then why the hell should any pledge his church makes have anything to do with anything? If he's a Christian then you're pretty much guilty of hypocritical racist slandering, so I'd make your choice carefully.

[Suzy1]

It amazes me how everyone here points a finger at who's who, when while doing so is one way or another shows their own prejudices. I really think it's time for this thread to be locked. Elijah, I know you personally and know that when you opened this, you didn't intend for it to turn into what it has become. Don't allow this to become personal, it isn't worth it. There is alot that has been said here that I could easily respond with my knowledge of history and personal experiences, but once again it isn't worth it. Let those who have to have the last word, have it.

[jecko7]

It amazes me how everyone here points a finger at who's who, when while doing so is one way or another shows their own prejudices. I really think it's time for this thread to be locked. Elijah, I know you personally and know that when you opened this, you didn't intend for it to turn into what it has become. Don't allow this to become personal, it isn't worth it. There is alot that has been said here that I could easily respond with my knowledge of history and personal experiences, but once again it isn't worth it. Let those who have to have the last word, have it.

Ah. The classic "I could beat you by a mile but I choose not to because I have more important things in my life".

Go play some Risk, you have a better chance of winning at that than at this argument.

[Suzy1]

I just won't waste my time (whether I could be playing risk instead or doing other "imortant things"). It sounds to me as though everyone is set in their beliefs and the only people who remain here are those who enjoy riling people up and causing conflict. I refuse to let anything said get under my skin. So go ahead and say whatever you want , I am done here.

[Snorri1234]

I just won't waste my time (whether I could be playing risk instead or doing other "imortant things"). It sounds to me as though everyone is set in their beliefs and the only people who remain here are those who enjoy riling people up and causing conflict. I refuse to let anything said get under my skin. So go ahead and say whatever you want , I am done here.

We're pretty open to other viewpoints, it's just when people can state in the same post that Obama is a muslim and a christian we have to respond with ridicule.

[jecko7]

Right, only the people that want to stir things up remain? Is that so?

All bullshit aside, I started this thread to stir things up on a Saturday morning, and I can say it did!

To sum it up... I posed a question about a public figure who seeks to be President of the U.S. and, as intended, it ruffled a few panties!

Guess who said those...everyone's favorite neo-Conservative, Elijah S. So don't give me that "holier than thou" bullshit - Elijah started it, the rest of us are ending it. Mercifully.

[Suzy1]

[Guiscard]

I just won't waste my time (whether I could be playing risk instead or doing other "imortant things"). It sounds to me as though everyone is set in their beliefs and the only people who remain here are those who enjoy riling people up and causing conflict. I refuse to let anything said get under my skin. So go ahead and say whatever you want , I am done here.

Is he a Christian or a Muslim?

[Suzy1]

[jecko7]

Christian.

[unriggable]

"Yeah he's a Muslim. Anybody with a strange name is a Muslim. It's not that his dad had the same name, it's that he's too insecure about his Muslim faith to show it but not insecure enough to change his name."

[Guiscard]

:)

Is he a Christian or a Muslim?

[Elijah S]

Christian.

A true "Christian" does not belong to an exclusionary congregation and some of you people should really get a grip!
Is this what it's like in these forums, everyone attempts to impress each other with their vast array of knowledge while attacking someone whose opinion differs from their own? -Laughable.

I enjoyed this thread and it definitely served the intended purpose of riling up a few of you who apparently are every bit as prejudiced as I suspected.

Honestly, I hope Obama wins because if he doesn't the Rodney King riots will pale in comparison to what will follow his defeat.

Advice: Don't take this shit too seriously. I started this thread to have a little fun and mess with some people, but it seems the very suggestion that Obama could be more loyal to Africa and those of African descent was enough to touch a nerve and have several of you display your inability to believe that, despite the fact that Obama is benefitting greatly from white voters, the only racism in this country is perpetrated by whites.

For Christ's sake, sign out of CC, go outside, smell the fresh air, toss a ball around with your dog and put this meaningless dribble in the correct perspective!

I've asked the mods to end the poll and perhaps it's time for everyone to chill, have a beer and move along to the next thread which will waste a perfect day!

Cheers!

[MeDeFe]

Christian.

A true "Christian" does not belong to an exclusionary congregation and some of you people should really get a grip!
Is this what it's like in these forums, everyone attempts to impress each other with their vast array of knowledge while attacking someone whose opinion differs from their own? -Laughable.

I enjoyed this thread and it definitely served the intended purpose of riling up a few of you who apparently are every bit as prejudiced as I suspected.

Honestly, I hope Obama wins because if he doesn't the Rodney King riots will pale in comparison to what will follow his defeat.

Advice: Don't take this shit too seriously. I started this thread to have a little fun and mess with some people, but it seems the very suggestion that Obama could be more loyal to Africa and those of African descent was enough to touch a nerve and have several of you display your inability to believe that, despite the fact that Obama is benefitting greatly from white voters, the only racism in this country is perpetrated by whites.

For Christ's sake, sign out of CC, go outside, smell the fresh air, toss a ball around with your dog and put this meaningless dribble in the correct perspective!

I've asked the mods to end the poll and perhaps it's time for everyone to chill, have a beer and move along to the next thread which will waste a perfect day!

Cheers!

Ah, the "true Christian" argument, "He's not what I think a Christian is, therefore he's not a true Christian", sorry pal, but your definition of who is and who isn't a Christian is not the accepted standard. I'm not sure how many distinguishable Christian groups there are, but I'm fairly certain they number in the dozens, probably in the hundreds. They can hold to very different tenets and yet they all manage to be christian.


Your suggestions about Obama's loyalties would have come across as a lot more sensible if you had been actually been able to back them up with anything even remotely resembling evidence. Then we could have had a discussion on the basis of that evidence, brought up counter-evidence, counter-counter-evidence, discussed the logical conclusions that follow from the evidence and so forth.
You posted a quote from the website of the church he subscribes to, the first post already pointed out, admittedly in a rather ironic way, that a person doesn't only hold to the beliefs of their church (Thank the Global Standard Deity for that! Read Jasper Fforde's Thursday Next novels if you don't get the reference). Then you bring up that old nonsense story about him not placing his hand over his heart at the Pledge and so forth, within 6 posts Guiscard kindly pointed you in the general direction of Snopes, which you and everyone else in the "I don't like Obama and what he does"-camp ignored throughout the thread. Really, it's beyond me how you can expect anyone to take you seriously under those circumstances and how you can hope to become subject to anything other than scorn.

And if this is nothing more than "meaningless dribble" initiated by you, let me point you in the general direction of the Forum Guidelines:

The “l337” poster knows to ask himself/herself 3 basic questions before pressing the all powerful “submit” button:

One: Is my post really necessary or is it just mental diarrhea?
Two: Am I trolling or feeding a troll?
Three: Really?

This last question should be asked at least twice but is often ignored because everyone likes to think that they are saying something ground breaking when in fact “GFYS muthafugging azzhole” and “you suck dick” are in fact not new and the only thing they will break is your reputation.

The fact that a post is articulate does not mean that it can not be mental diarrhea, I refer you to the majority of Napoleon Ier's posts for reference.

[Napoleon Ier]

That's not very nice. Sometimes I make sense.

[MeDeFe]

That's not very nice. Sometimes I make sense.

Sometimes you do, that's why I said the majority, but you also often post what amounts to a lot of fluff and no substance covered in long words that most readers will be unfamiliar with.

[SolidLuigi]

Advice: Don't take this shit too seriously. I started this thread to have a little fun and mess with some people

The classic tail between the legs ending, "oh yeah I was just messin around guys! you thought I was serious?!!?"

If you weren't serious about your question then why post it?