Yet another racist killing by US police

[riskllama]

saxi loses this thread.

[HitRed]

saxi loses this thread.

Would you have ever choosen otherwise.

*Signed*

Baked in results

[saxitoxin]

Making an arrest is one thing. Killing someone after they've been arrested is murder.

The police are authorized to use as much violence as necessary to ensure compliance with the law and the primacy of the state. A person who is arrested may be subject to continuing violence if they attempt to resist.

Feral humans tend to die, disproportionately, at the hands of police because they do not have logic centers in their brains that can connect violence to which they are subject to their own acts of resistance. Like wild animals, when cornered, they simply lash out and try to escape. It is a sad state of affairs but our Darwinian world is a rough place and even more so for those who are not prepared to live in it, like feral humans.

[saxitoxin]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/05/31/in-some-cities-police-officers-joined-protesters-marching-against-brutality

As protests sparked by George Floyd’s death entered their chaotic fifth day, social media filled with images and video of police officers using batons, tear gas and rubber bullets to quell crowds⁠—but some squads joined in with Saturday protesters to express their stance against police brutality, and to show solidarity with the anti-racism movement.

The existence of beta bitches in all sectors of society isn't something that's particularly remarkable or noteworthy. Cuckolds are people, too.

[2dimes]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/05/31/in-some-cities-police-officers-joined-protesters-marching-against-brutality

As protests sparked by George Floyd’s death entered their chaotic fifth day, social media filled with images and video of police officers using batons, tear gas and rubber bullets to quell crowds⁠—but some squads joined in with Saturday protesters to express their stance against police brutality, and to show solidarity with the anti-racism movement.

I liked that too but figured there was not much point bringing it here.

[riskllama]

lol, saxi continues to lose this thread...

[saxitoxin]

Nice! The George Floyd protesters have just burned down the AFL-CIO's national headquarters!

The AFL-CIO is one of the biggest single donors to the Democratic Party.

Trump gambles on splitting Biden's base with riot rhetoric

For him, there is political opportunity in pitting moderate whites against African Americans: They are the two groups Democratic challenger Joe Biden most needs to win the presidency in November, and they formed the core of Biden's base as he pursued his party's nomination.

That gave Trump incentive to articulate sympathy for George Floyd, the black man killed by police in Minneapolis on Monday, while also inciting racial conflict and promising to quell that conflict with force.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... c-n1218341

Hell yes! Here's hoping this turns into the Summer of 1967 --- daily riots in every city, town, and village in America! Let this bitch keep burning through Election Day ... then on November 9 the President can unleash the 1st Armored Division to flatten whatever Democrats are still standing in NYC! We're gonna run this fucking country for the next 10,000 years!

“This is going to get Trump reelected. Please stop. Think first. Do not get Trump reelected for your behavior!”

https://twitter.com/bri_sacks/status/12 ... elected%2F

That's right, sweetie!

[jonesthecurl]

Saxi, is that you I've seen in the videos, wearing a gas mask and going round smashing shop windows and blaming it on black people?

[jimboston]

Rather than do your usual 'dodge the point and play semantics instead', maybe you could answer this: do you agree with the statement that the US police response has been unnecessarily militarized, has put protesters in danger, and should be de-escalated (the Amnesty International position) or do you disagree with that statement?

Though you’ve avoided answering direct questions I have posed, I will be more courteous and give you a direct answer.

No, in this case I disagree.

I do think that there are times and places where police tactics are/have been too heavy-handed.
I believe that the tactics and behavior of the murderer(s) of George Floyd were too aggressive.

... but the protests have escalated into riots and I don’t blame that on the police.

Looting and riots cannot be allowed to continue and at some point the police/authorities may have to come down hard on people who escalate these incidents. If you have one day/night of protest that spontaneously escalates into a riot, you can blame that on police tactics and/or on righteous anger of protestors manifesting itself in the wrong way. If however the riots and looting continue night after night... you have to admit that a significant percentage of people participating are going out LOOKING FOR and EXPECTING a little rioting action.

In Boston last night the protests en masse were peaceful for hours... but as the night wore on, and essentially the majority of protesters were wrapping it up for the night, some of them (enough of them) decided that they might as well get a little smashing and looting in before bed. This all despite that fat that march organizers were on the news all day yesterday saying they “were determined to have a peaceful protest” and that they wants to “demonstrate their frustration in a proper way”.

Some news reports blame “outside elements”, and depending on what news you listen to these “outside forces” may be “Right Wing” survivalist types, Racist groups, “Lefties”, or “anarchists”. I don’t know if any of this is true.

I personally think that there are multiple factors at bay, it not generally “outside elements”. I blame...
* obviously the root cause which is righteous indignation of the murder of George Floyd (among others).
* I think there is just a lot of pent up anger and emotion in the air due to the fact that people have been stuck at home with the Covid virus... and this is acting as a ‘release’ for many. Frustration manifesting itself in the wrong way.
* individual opportunists taking advantage of the energy and chaos to have a little “fun” or get a free TV.

The news is playing in the background as I type this and they’re parroting the same point I made two days ago... the quote was “where largely peaceful protests have been overshadowed by violence and looting”.

I don’t agree with Amnesty International (on that specific point). I have my opinions, but can’t claim to know what the cause of the escalation from protest to riot is. I do know that riots/looting don’t help and are a distraction from the real issue... and ‘turn off’ the majority of middle class Americans who just wanna get on with their own lives. You need to win these people over and you don;t accomplthis with riots and looting.

[jimboston]

Making an arrest is one thing. Killing someone after they've been arrested is murder.

The police are authorized to use as much violence as necessary to ensure compliance with the law and the primacy of the state. A person who is arrested may be subject to continuing violence if they attempt to resist.

Feral humans tend to die, disproportionately, at the hands of police because they do not have logic centers in their brains that can connect violence to which they are subject to their own acts of resistance. Like wild animals, when cornered, they simply lash out and try to escape. It is a sad state of affairs but our Darwinian world is a rough place and even more so for those who are not prepared to live in it, like feral humans.

Is this phrase a euphemism?

[mrswdk]

Rather than do your usual 'dodge the point and play semantics instead', maybe you could answer this: do you agree with the statement that the US police response has been unnecessarily militarized, has put protesters in danger, and should be de-escalated (the Amnesty International position) or do you disagree with that statement?

Though you’ve avoided answering direct questions I have posed, I will be more courteous and give you a direct answer.

No, in this case I disagree.

Okay.

I do think that there are times and places where police tactics are/have been too heavy-handed.

I believe that the tactics and behavior of the murderer(s) of George Floyd were too aggressive.

... but the protests have escalated into riots and I don’t blame that on the police.

Looting and riots cannot be allowed to continue and at some point the police/authorities may have to come down hard on people who escalate these incidents. If you have one day/night of protest that spontaneously escalates into a riot, you can blame that on police tactics and/or on righteous anger of protestors manifesting itself in the wrong way. If however the riots and looting continue night after night... you have to admit that a significant percentage of people participating are going out LOOKING FOR and EXPECTING a little rioting action.

In Boston last night the protests en masse were peaceful for hours... but as the night wore on, and essentially the majority of protesters were wrapping it up for the night, some of them (enough of them) decided that they might as well get a little smashing and looting in before bed. This all despite that fat that march organizers were on the news all day yesterday saying they “were determined to have a peaceful protest” and that they wants to “demonstrate their frustration in a proper way”.

Some news reports blame “outside elements”, and depending on what news you listen to these “outside forces” may be “Right Wing” survivalist types, Racist groups, “Lefties”, or “anarchists”. I don’t know if any of this is true.

I personally think that there are multiple factors at bay, it not generally “outside elements”. I blame...
* obviously the root cause which is righteous indignation of the murder of George Floyd (among others).
* I think there is just a lot of pent up anger and emotion in the air due to the fact that people have been stuck at home with the Covid virus... and this is acting as a ‘release’ for many. Frustration manifesting itself in the wrong way.
* individual opportunists taking advantage of the energy and chaos to have a little “fun” or get a free TV.

The news is playing in the background as I type this and they’re parroting the same point I made two days ago... the quote was “where largely peaceful protests have been overshadowed by violence and looting”.

I don’t agree with Amnesty International (on that specific point). I have my opinions, but can’t claim to know what the cause of the escalation from protest to riot is. I do know that riots/looting don’t help and are a distraction from the real issue... and ‘turn off’ the majority of middle class Americans who just wanna get on with their own lives. You need to win these people over and you don;t accomplthis with riots and looting.

Glad to hear that you have therefore revised your opinion of the way the Hong Kong riots were policed and now accept that Hong Kong police were actually being quite restrained in the face of mobs who were smashing up shops, setting fire to businesses and subway stations, and attacking police officers.

The US response to the George Floyd riots has been to put the army onto the streets in 15 different states (i.e. all the states where there have been riots). In hindsight, the CCP would clearly have been 100% justified in putting the army onto the streets of Hong Kong. The fact they did not shows that the CCP is immeasurably more restrained and tolerant of protests than the USG.

[betiko]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/05/31/in-some-cities-police-officers-joined-protesters-marching-against-brutality

As protests sparked by George Floyd’s death entered their chaotic fifth day, social media filled with images and video of police officers using batons, tear gas and rubber bullets to quell crowds⁠—but some squads joined in with Saturday protesters to express their stance against police brutality, and to show solidarity with the anti-racism movement.

it looks like they are showing their support to their fellow officer reproducing his lethal technique. OMG America is going down to flames!!!! pandemic, uncontrolable spread! Trump calling everyone terrorists and sending the army on all his tweets! Big crowds=more pandemic=more confinement needed= US economy ruined. Unemployment!!! NRA and Antifa protesters going batshit crazy!!!! Conspiracy theorists say the virus is a lie and organising huge manifestations that will spread even more the desease!!!
Racism at its peak!!! Big floods? When are the hurricaines arriving??????????? NO MORE SPORTS ON TV!!!

OMG saxi... are you choking on your hot pocket????????????????? TRUMP MADE AMERICA WORSE THAN EVER!

MAWTE hats are showing up... it was his secret moto!!!!

You guys remember when trump said that if the virus makes less than 100k it will be a success? like at that point the death toll was probably around 20k and he thought it was going to be over lol.... So by trump's own standards, his own politics are a huge failure, the 100k passed a long time a go and who knows if it won't double that in the aftermath.

[KoolBak]

Heavy into the vino, dude?

[saxitoxin]

More good news this morning!

- Reacting to scenes of pillaging and raping Democrats, independent voters have put Trump up another point in today's tracking poll.
- The Dow Jones is up another 50 points and is now almost 10,000 points higher than at the end of Obama's term.

Even the failing New York Magazine is ready to throw in the towel on Biden!

That a wave of “race riots” has broken out as Trump is in the throes of an existential fight to stay in power has to be looked on as a gift from heaven by many in his camp.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06 ... 1967s.html

My only wish is that this wouldn't have happened until September as I'm afraid it won't have staying power through the summer (and Autumn riots would have less of a hit on insurance stocks since they'd only last until Election Day). Also, this needs to reach into the neighborhoods so it impacts more people first hand and they don't have to learn about it distantly, through the filter of the media. Democrats burning down their own downtown shitholes isn't as impactful as Democrats rampaging through the suburbs and putting them to the torch.

[saxitoxin]

The Democrats' "outsiders" narrative is crumbling and our "Democratic anarchy" narrative is capturing more imaginations.

On Sunday morning Tim Walz, the Democratic governor of Minnesota, justified extending the curfew another night by saying “bad actors continue to infiltrate the rightful protests of George Floyd’s murder”. Yet local reporting by the Star Tribune found that of the 57 arrests on Saturday related to protests and rioting, 47 were for Minnesotans. When asked about the discrepancy at a press conference on Sunday evening, Mr Walz said it changed nothing.

https://www.ft.com/content/aa775137-a4e ... 4676e4c7dc

Team Trump is already running at 30% Hispanic support. Civil disorder activates sublimated Hispanic preferences for hiearchy and obedience which helps us. It also pushes ICE and border defense operations out of the headlines. If we were to get up to 35% Hispanic support Trump will be able to coast easily over the finish line without even trying. We are watching a master at work; the Da Vinci of our time!

[mookiemcgee]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/05/31/in-some-cities-police-officers-joined-protesters-marching-against-brutality

As protests sparked by George Floyd’s death entered their chaotic fifth day, social media filled with images and video of police officers using batons, tear gas and rubber bullets to quell crowds⁠—but some squads joined in with Saturday protesters to express their stance against police brutality, and to show solidarity with the anti-racism movement.

it looks like they are showing their support to their fellow officer reproducing his lethal technique.

I'm pretty sure they are kneeling for the National Anthem at an NFL game. Also worth noting they aren't socially distance by 6 feet

[mrswdk]

An autopsy commissioned by George Floyd’s family has found that he died of asphyxiation. This differs from the official autopsy undertaken by the government, prompting allegations of an attempted coverup:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52885964

[saxitoxin]

An autopsy commissioned by George Floyd’s family has found that he died of asphyxiation. This differs from the official autopsy undertaken by the government, prompting allegations of an attempted coverup:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52885964

Nice! The Coroner's autopsy is the only one admissible at trial. Awesome the Coroner is a team player!

[saxitoxin]

The media are now reporting more pallets of bricks have suddenly appeared in downtown areas of Baltimore and Austin and are demanding police investigate where they're all coming from. Sure, we'll get right on that!!!

[mookiemcgee]

An autopsy commissioned by George Floyd’s family has found that he died of asphyxiation. This differs from the official autopsy undertaken by the government, prompting allegations of an attempted coverup:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52885964

Nice! The Coroner's autopsy is the only one admissible at trial. Awesome the Coroner is a team player!

Team cover up a racist murder? Team we hate black people? Which team exactly are you cheering on?

[saxitoxin]

An autopsy commissioned by George Floyd’s family has found that he died of asphyxiation. This differs from the official autopsy undertaken by the government, prompting allegations of an attempted coverup:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52885964

Nice! The Coroner's autopsy is the only one admissible at trial. Awesome the Coroner is a team player!

Team cover up a racist murder? Team we hate black people? Which team exactly are you cheering on?

Team Light the Fuse

[betiko]

The media are now reporting more pallets of bricks have suddenly appeared in downtown areas of Baltimore and Austin and are demanding police investigate where they're all coming from. Sure, we'll get right on that!!!

It’s official, the US is doomed. Both biden and trump are joke candidates and you will have to pick one. Meanwhile the country is tearing appart. The virus is spreading. Natural disasters keep comming.. biggest floods in over a Century etc..
Hopefully schools are closed so no mass shootings before september. And muslim terrorists are too scared of the covid to go to the US.
How is the unemployment rate saxi?

Didn’t trump say that if at the end of the crisis there are less than 100k death it would be a success ?

[jimboston]

Glad to hear that you have therefore revised your opinion of the way the Hong Kong riots were policed and now accept that Hong Kong police were actually being quite restrained in the face of mobs who were smashing up shops, setting fire to businesses and subway stations, and attacking police officers.

The US response to the George Floyd riots has been to put the army onto the streets in 15 different states (i.e. all the states where there have been riots). In hindsight, the CCP would clearly have been 100% justified in putting the army onto the streets of Hong Kong. The fact they did not shows that the CCP is immeasurably more restrained and tolerant of protests than the USG.

You presume and assume a lot. I have not “revised my position” on Hong Kong in any way.
Though you can make comparisons you can’t assume the situations are equivalent.

My opinion and thoughts on the situation in Hong Kong were not as strong nor as fully formed as my opinions on the George Floyd situation.

My ability to influence events in Hong Kong is nill, and though I do ‘care’ my level of caring and interest is reduced just because Its’ impact on me and my ability to contribute in any meaningful way is much less. (Note, I don’t think I have specific. or direct ability to influence the situation in the US in any way other than by voting, voicing my opinion, treating people with respect, and teaching my children to do the same.)

[saxitoxin]

Didn’t trump say that if at the end of the crisis there are less than 100k death it would be a success ?

How much do I care if 100k, 200k New Yorkers drop dead? You can guess on a scale of 1 to 10.

[saxitoxin]

The President made a national address from the Rose Garden, making several statements and issuing two decrees.



Decrees

Gives Democrat governors a final chance to deploy their state's military forces in sufficient numbers to “dominate the streets”; in any state that refuses, Trump will take control of the situation directly with federal troops

Trump is dispatching 10,000 “heavily armed” soldiers backed by tanks to D.C. and declaring a curfew of 7 p.m. in the district

Highlights of speech

-I am your president. A president of law and order.

-A number of state and local governments have failed to protect their residents.

-Here in the nation’s capital, the Lincoln Memorial and the World War II Veterans Memorial have been vandalized by protesters. A federal agent, an African-American agent, has been shot and killed by protesters.

-The nation needs security not anarchy. Justice not chaos. This is our mission and we will succeed 100-percent. We always win.

-I take these actions today with firm resolve and with a true and passionate love for our country. Our greatest days lie ahead!

-I am taking immediate action to stop the violence and restore order. I am mobilizing all available federal resources to stop the looting and arson and to protect the rights of law-abiding Americans.