Legalize Weed?

[Alexwales93]

C'mon you sobers!

[jay_a2j]

Also, i can't read your avatar, which means i can't tell quite how misguided it is. Do you have a bigger version?

It says:


Liberalism: The haunting fear someone, somewhere can help themselves.

[jay_a2j]

jay, i have often held that only ex-addicts should work in rehab. The others, like you, tend to be self righteous, intolerant, and incapable of really understanding the hearts and minds of the addicts. Only a total moron would defend Limbaugh's addiction like you did. I have had a regular supply of Percocet since 1993, when i had half the bones in my body smashed in a bad bike wreck. My physician won't give me more than 60 every 2 months, which comes to about 1 a day. The prescribed dosage is 1 every 4 hours. I save them for when the pain is really bad, and therefore go many days without taking any. I live with pain every day, and it's like eating hot food - you get used to it. There are a lot of variables to this that i won't go into right now, but basically, a person who gets addicted to pain pills is the same as someone who is strung out on heroin, only more hypocritical. There are many kinds of pain, and you can't get perscriptions for most kinds. Are you even qualified to work in rehab? I guess when you have a captive audience it doesn't matter.

I didn't "defend" his addiction. I merely pointed out there there is a difference (however slight) between an addiction to prescription medication and a crack addict. People can get addicted to prescription medication without having an "intent" to become addicted. Now before you start yelling about "no addict wants to become addicted"....this may be so, however if I am prescribed a pain killer to relieve pain and I become addicted to it (from everyday use TO RELIEVE PAIN). That is different than me becoming addicted to Crack because I want to get high.


Secondly, go to another Dr. that will give you more than 60 every 2 months. (If you think there are none you're delusional)


Lastly, I don't work in "rehab". I work at a Drug Treatment Campus for inmates. I am SECURITY. I have sat through countless ASAT classes, 5 Step Video's and lectures by counselors with degrees to know when someone is minimising, rationalizing or intellectualizing their addiction. And it makes me sick that these inmates are wasting their lives away doing time as well as drugs. Drugs have NEVER built a person UP, they ONLY tear people DOWN. Having 50 threads (I know its an exaggeration) glorifying drug use kind of rubs me the wrong way. Cause believe it or not drugs are killing people everyday. It's not something that we should be making light of.

[Huckleberryhound]

http://www.illwillpress.com/drugs.html


Listen to the truth from the one who knows

[jay_a2j]

http://www.illwillpress.com/drugs.html


Listen to the truth from the one who knows

I bit vulgar but he has a point. (and I'd be lying if I said I didn't laugh a bit)

[Anarchist]

I agree crack is very bad, (ive done it) only lasts ten minutes and leaves you desperate for more. However certain drugs have become more dangerous simply because people are using shortcuts to make them.

This topic is about Marijuana specifically, Even if you dont want me living my life as a "hippie" what right of yours is it to deny me? I say again Marijuana is harmless.
Id argue the same for probably all natural drugs.

That video was Hilarious! It raises good points, you know life is shit deal with it, touche. I guess taking it in the ass will solve all my problems then? Also the people that advertise drug use the most tend to be cops,doctors and commercials. I know my parents werent the first to tell me about it. Leave me alone, I want to get high. only reason were bothering you is cause they took that right away from us

[Tommy Hobbes]

so the stoners argument: Weed is harmless and should be legal for recreational use. It is nonaddictive and its legalisation would be beneficial to the nation. This can be shown through observation of much of northern Europe. Do not use weed in excess, as you don't use alcohol in excess, and it would be fine. Also, it's my life, I can do what I want.

the sober's argument: not only is marijuanna itself not harmless, it is but the first step on the short and slippery road to long-term meth addiction. People who do use marijuanna become shiftless and lazy. Drugs are a social ill, and a drain on society in general. Using this drug somehow effects those around you, and their health. So knock it off asshole, it's against the law.

About right?

I gotta say that in this debate I'm an avid stoner. I only smoke about once every two months, but my position is firm. I think that most of the debate hinges on whether or not weed leads to harder drugs. I have smoked on average once every two months, for a very long time now. I feel no need to use anything else, or to use pot more frequently. I am drawing only from my own experience, so I cannot speak to those inhabitants of jay's institution. My guess, however, is that few if any of them were there for their life-destroying addictions to weed. Notice how few "weed-whores" you hear of. Crack Kills! not weed. Also I think that our system is so strained right now trying and failing to control the use of marijuanna that it is basically a situation of fait accompli, that the only smart thing to do is legalize it. It does not matter a lot to me whether it is legalized or not, because it doesn't effect whether or not I get high. Laws in place or not, marijuanna is widely available.

Jay and company, I think you have a somewhat warped idea of the effects of marijuanna. I assure you, they are not the "reefer madness" you may be thinking of. It's really not that big a deal. I suggest that you try it. Just twice, because the first time isn't always effective. That's all. If you find yourself addicted, seek help and call me a fool. If not, well, maybe relax a little? Also, jay, you are a ridiculous, ridiculous person. I mean, jesus.

[DirtyDishSoap]

the worst weed can do is kill off brain cells

basically if you compare alchol and weed, weed would seem harmless enough

here you got drunks beating up wifes, driving 90 on a highway crashing into pretty red lights and starting bar fights

weed calms you down, your slower then hell on the road, and your really to lazy to do much of anything that comes close to violent

so why ban weed!??!

[Anarchist]

waiting......... hello? is there an arguement?

[lduke1990]

mahrijewana is bad mkay (say it like Mr. Mackey from South Park would)

[Backglass]

Drugs have NEVER built a person UP, they ONLY tear people DOWN. Having 50 threads (I know its an exaggeration) glorifying drug use kind of rubs me the wrong way. Cause believe it or not drugs are killing people everyday. It's not something that we should be making light of.

Yet you yourself are a hopeless drug addict. How many packs did you smoke today? You would think you could get some free on the job counseling to break your own addiction. Ever asked?

All your loathing of "drug addicts" is just a tad bit hypocritical wouldn't you say?

We have had this conversation before...Marijuana is not physically addictive. Fact.

[jay_a2j]

Yet you yourself are a hopeless drug addict. How many packs did you smoke today? You would think you could get some free on the job counseling to break your own addiction. Ever asked?

All your loathing of "drug addicts" is just a tad bit hypocritical wouldn't you say?

We have had this conversation before...Marijuana is not physically addictive. Fact.

You want to get technical food is a drug. ANYTHING that alters your body's chemistry is a drug. I guess by YOUR definition EVERBODY's an addict.


I have never been a heavy smoker..... about a half pack a day.


No, its not hypocritical.

That is NOT a fact. Stop posting rubbish eh?

[Anarkistsdream]

So show me where it says it IS physically addictive...

I will admit that, on a psychological level, I get pissy if I don't get to smoke pot every couple of days (Read as: every day), but there is no physical addiction.

Also, I hate the argument of smoking cigarettes, and I'll tell you why... What do cigarettes do for you? Why did you start to smoke?

I can answer both of those for myself and marijuana...

I also guarantee that my pot smoking hurts NO ONE... You smoking in your car, around your friends and family, in a bar, at the park... ALL of those affect other people... So remember that, folks... YOU are hurting others... Pot smokers are not.

[MeDeFe]

I haven't posted here yet (I think) so I will ignore all other posts and say this.

If fast-food restaurants and shows like American Idol are allowed, pot should be legal, too and preferably sold in supermarkets.

Compared to those two pot is practically medicinal.

[Backglass]

I will admit that, on a psychological level, I get pissy if I don't get to smoke pot every couple of days (Read as: every day), but there is no physical addiction.

And so would millions of people "get pissy" if they missed their morning coffee. I am sure Jay gets pissy if he misses a smoke break.

The problem I have is when Marijuana is equated with meth, alchohol, coke, nicotine, crack and heroin...which is ludicrous. All of those drugs are far worse and have distinct physical withdrawal symptoms.

Yes, Marijuana is habit forming. So is Chocolate, Red Bull and Masturbation.

[MeDeFe]

I can confirm two of your examples.

[jay_a2j]

So show me where it says it IS physically addictive...

I will admit that, on a psychological level, I get pissy if I don't get to smoke pot every couple of days (Read as: every day), but there is no physical addiction.

Also, I hate the argument of smoking cigarettes, and I'll tell you why... What do cigarettes do for you? Why did you start to smoke?

I can answer both of those for myself and marijuana...

I also guarantee that my pot smoking hurts NO ONE... You smoking in your car, around your friends and family, in a bar, at the park... ALL of those affect other people... So remember that, folks... YOU are hurting others... Pot smokers are not.

Pot has far more chemicals in it then does cigarettes. You saying (or anybody) that it isn't addictive is simple denial. I don't believe it has been confirmed either way addictive or not but its NOT good for you and it can and does effect people around you. An its psychologically addictive. (I can just imagine everyone at work sittin around laughing and satisfying their "munchies" while the work doesn't get done) You want to get high? Stop being a pansy and go buy some crack! You need to "feel good" cause you can't feel good all by yourself? Get some crack! Go all the way!

[MeDeFe]

If you do it, I will, too. The occasional drink or the regular fag (I'm using BE, btw) is as good a place to start as any other.

[Backglass]

Pot has far more chemicals in it then does cigarettes.

Oh yes....those pure and natural cigarette's...free of chemicals. You hopeless addict...your believing your own rhetoric.

You want to smoke cigarettes? Stop being a pansy and go buy some crack! You need to "feel good" cause you can't feel good all by yourself? Get some crack! Go all the way!

[jay_a2j]

You want to smoke cigarettes? Stop being a pansy and go buy some crack! You need to "feel good" cause you can't feel good all by yourself? Get some crack! Go all the way!

Cigarettes do not alter my mood. They do not make me act silly and I do not get the urge to eat everything in my refrigerator.

[MeDeFe]

I don't think pot does that either... not that I've noticed at least.

[Backglass]

Cigarettes do not alter my mood.

Serious load of bullshit...you are in utter denial.

They do not make me act silly and I do not get the urge to eat everything in my refrigerator.

You speak of this like it's a horrible side effect. OH MY GOD!!! HE'S HUNGRY AND HAPPY!!!! SINNNNNEEEEEERRRRRR!!!!

It's so much better to be standing outside in the rain, huddled around the "Smokers Oasis" with other addicts, getting a fix at 10am so you don't get the shakes...huh.

[MeDeFe]

Sounds more like you're talking about alcohole, because I know my friends and I have eaten some rather strange things when drunk, 10 chilis on one slice of pizza is probably the least offensive that comes to my mind right now.

[MeDeFe]

Or pretzel sticks and bananas at 3am...

[Anarkistsdream]

You want to smoke cigarettes? Stop being a pansy and go buy some crack! You need to "feel good" cause you can't feel good all by yourself? Get some crack! Go all the way!

Cigarettes do not alter my mood. They do not make me act silly and I do not get the urge to eat everything in my refrigerator.

Then WHY do you smoke them?????????