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Postby Guiscard on Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:11 pm

hecter wrote:
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hecter wrote:The sent planes at the WTC because they wanted a good reason to have them suddenly destroyed. What it is, I don't know, but they had one! And the planes, let's say, did Y damage each. With the pentagon, there is a lot of classified stuff in there, important figures, expensive shit, ect. They just wanted the pentagon to look damaged. They wanted X damage dealt the the pentagon. X < Y. They didn't want a lot of the people and equipment in the pentagon seriously hurt, but they wanted the WTC gone. Hence why they didn't send in a plane into the pentagon, but they did for the WTC.

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Best effort yet, to be honest... but still obviously crap. If they had full control of a plane they could have crashed it any way they wanted, and used explosions to do exactly the amount of damage they required. In fact, they wouldn't even have needed explosives. They could have plowed the plane into the lawn and said 'hey guys, look how close they came...' for exactly the same dramatic effect. :D

Best attempt yet from someone who doesn't even believe...

Tee hee, thanks. Let's keep it up, shall we?

Have you ever flown a fucking plane? Those 757's are IMPOSSIBLE, and I do mean impossible, to fly without the on board computer. I'd like to see anybody crash a plane into a building with that much accuracy. The WTC would be much easier because it's a giant stick in the ground, really high, you can fly into it horizontally. With the pentagon, it's MUCH lower to the ground, one wrong calculation, you overshoot the pentagon and go into some completely wrong target. A missile is small and manuverable, can deal the exact amount of damage to exactly where they want it. It's much easier to sit in the control room, looking at the satalite image on the screen, and say "Send X yield here." rather than sitting in the cockpit of a plane with a bunch of freaked out passengers saying "SHIT!!! GO DOWN GO DOWN!! Don't overshoot or undershoot the target! Careful dude, BE FUCKING CAREFUL!!!" and deal a seemingly random damage to someplace that they might not want it.


Nope... Already explained in the post before. The 'missile' did a fairly small amount of damage to the Pentagon. Surely it was the vulnerability that counted in this case, as a missile could have done a fairly unlimited amount of damage. They could have plowed the 747 into the ground anywhere within a mile and still have claimed the 'fear factor' and the manipulation Xtra claims.

And you're still stuck with a missing plane full of passengers somewhere very close to the pentagon.

No point using a missile. Just use the plane you've already hijacked nearby.

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/pentagon_map1.jpg
There's a map of the area around the pentagon. You have army bases, a cemetery, roads, water... It would be way too hard to try and manuver a plane of that size to hit something near the pentagon (though not the pentagon it's self) and still not hit anything valuable or that would seriously disrupt the flow of the government. Remember, the pentagon is extremely valuable to the government, and completely open communications to it is of utmost importance. Also remember, a small amount of damage to that area is what they want. Best way to achieve that is a low yield missile.

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Oh, sorry... Well I can see a fairly large park, a big stretch of water, a huge cemtary... many areas where a 747 could convincingly crash without disrupting the pentagon too much, but whilst maintaining the effect of causing fear and showing vulnerability. Furthermore, there's a big stretch of road in front the the damned thing, right in the flight path, quite a lot bigger than a runway. I'm sure it would be pretty easy for a pilot to touchdown on that road and pretty much nudge into the pentagon.
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Postby hecter on Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:46 pm

Again guis, you're overlooking the fact that a plane has a rather large wingspan (well over 100 feet) and would require a runway length of well over 1000 meters. Now, if you're flying something that is over 100 feet wide and takes more than a kilometre to fully stop, I'd like to see anybody land that along a road, or smash it into a cemetery without a high probability of fucking up. You trying to smash it into a cemetery, the guy's off by half a degree, he ends up smashing into the roof of the pentagon, fucking up everything, killing people the government finds valuable, damaging and destroying one-of-a-kind equipment, and fucking up everything.
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Postby Guiscard on Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:57 pm

hecter wrote:Again guis, you're overlooking the fact that a plane has a rather large wingspan (well over 100 feet) and would require a runway length of well over 1000 meters. Now, if you're flying something that is over 100 feet wide and takes more than a kilometre to fully stop, I'd like to see anybody land that along a road, or smash it into a cemetery without a high probability of fucking up. You trying to smash it into a cemetery, the guy's off by half a degree, he ends up smashing into the roof of the pentagon, fucking up everything, killing people the government finds valuable, damaging and destroying one-of-a-kind equipment, and fucking up everything.


The cemetery is something like 2km x 3km in area. Plus he only has to crash the goddamn thing, not land it safely. I think even I could nosedive a plane into an area that big...
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Postby Jehan on Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:29 pm

they're not that hard to pilot are they hecter? if a decent pilot picked the right line they could easily pilot the plane to crash where they want.
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Postby hecter on Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:07 pm

Guiscard wrote:
hecter wrote:Again guis, you're overlooking the fact that a plane has a rather large wingspan (well over 100 feet) and would require a runway length of well over 1000 meters. Now, if you're flying something that is over 100 feet wide and takes more than a kilometre to fully stop, I'd like to see anybody land that along a road, or smash it into a cemetery without a high probability of fucking up. You trying to smash it into a cemetery, the guy's off by half a degree, he ends up smashing into the roof of the pentagon, fucking up everything, killing people the government finds valuable, damaging and destroying one-of-a-kind equipment, and fucking up everything.


The cemetery is something like 2km x 3km in area. Plus he only has to crash the goddamn thing, not land it safely. I think even I could nosedive a plane into an area that big...

If the cemetery is that big, then people will be wondering how the pilot missed the pentagon by such a great distance. It would be like the pilot MEANT to miss the pentagon, which wouldn't make sense. UNLESS of course the government hired the 9/11 highjackers! And the government certainly doesn't want us to think THAT! The plane would have still had to hit fairly close the the pentagon. The cemetery is too far for it to be convincing.

Anyway, I'm giving up now. *lets thread die*
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