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[OnlyAmbrose]

I never said Hitler makes western culture better then other cultures, I simply said that he was a genious and that it takes a great man to unite a broken country and accomplish what he did with that country, to disagree and say that that takes no skill makes you a moron and to say that killing Jews negates all that he did makes you a fucking retard.

"Great" has far too positive a connotation for a mass-murderer and a coward.

A great man doesn't eat his own gun.

[MeDeFe]

Hitler was insane and probably had an inferiority complex to boot. There is absolutely nothing that's great about him. What's so great about planning to empty most of eastern Europe to create 'Lebensraum' for blond, athletic, allegedly intelligent aryans. btw, 'aryan' means that someone is a member of the indo-european language family. Which includes Iranians, Iraqis, Arabs, Turks and, as the name implies, Indians, real ones, not the ones Columbus found when he got lost.
If you take the ideal human the nazis were propagating and then look at the leaders of the party you will notice that not one single person fits into the model. Very coherent.

Do you think the man planned the logistics for the murder of 6 million people on his own? Hardly, there are well-documented meetings where the most efficient transportation and killing methods were discussed. The Germans got very very lucky against France when they managed to surprise the allies by crossing the Ardennes. Otherwise it would have been WW1 all over again, a long drawn out static war.



The only good thing that Hitler brought with him is a demonstration of why peace and negotiations are always to be preferred over war, and that lesson came at a terrible price.

[muy_thaiguy]

Hitler was insane and probably had an inferiority complex to boot. There is absolutely nothing that's great about him. What's so great about planning to empty most of eastern Europe to create 'Lebensraum' for blond, athletic, allegedly intelligent aryans. btw, 'aryan' means that someone is a member of the indo-european language family. Which includes Iranians, Iraqis, Arabs, Turks and, as the name implies, Indians, real ones, not the ones Columbus found when he got lost.
If you take the ideal human the nazis were propagating and then look at the leaders of the party you will notice that not one single person fits into the model. Very coherent.

Do you think the man planned the logistics for the murder of 6 million people on his own? Hardly, there are well-documented meetings where the most efficient transportation and killing methods were discussed. The Germans got very very lucky against France when they managed to surprise the allies by crossing the Ardennes. Otherwise it would have been WW1 all over again, a long drawn out static war.



The only good thing that Hitler brought with him is a demonstration of why peace and negotiations are always to be preferred over war, and that lesson came at a terrible price.

You are wrong about France being surprised when the Germans attacked, the year before, 1939, Hitler had his forces invade Poland. After failed negotiations, England and France declared war and were getting ready. France actually had set up a defensive system (name escapes me at the moment) just in case the Germans ever tried to attack again. Needless to say it failed against the German Blitzkrieg and Panzer divisions.

[cawck mongler]

Hitler was insane and probably had an inferiority complex to boot. There is absolutely nothing that's great about him. What's so great about planning to empty most of eastern Europe to create 'Lebensraum' for blond, athletic, allegedly intelligent aryans. btw, 'aryan' means that someone is a member of the indo-european language family. Which includes Iranians, Iraqis, Arabs, Turks and, as the name implies, Indians, real ones, not the ones Columbus found when he got lost.
If you take the ideal human the nazis were propagating and then look at the leaders of the party you will notice that not one single person fits into the model. Very coherent.

Do you think the man planned the logistics for the murder of 6 million people on his own? Hardly, there are well-documented meetings where the most efficient transportation and killing methods were discussed. The Germans got very very lucky against France when they managed to surprise the allies by crossing the Ardennes. Otherwise it would have been WW1 all over again, a long drawn out static war.



The only good thing that Hitler brought with him is a demonstration of why peace and negotiations are always to be preferred over war, and that lesson came at a terrible price.

You are wrong about France being surprised when the Germans attacked, the year before, 1939, Hitler had his forces invade Poland. After failed negotiations, England and France declared war and were getting ready. France actually had set up a defensive system (name escapes me at the moment) just in case the Germans ever tried to attack again. Needless to say it failed against the German Blitzkrieg and Panzer divisions.

They set up a line of defences called the Maginot Line, they were thinking another war with Germany would be long and drawn out trench warfare style fighting like WWI. Some German generals came up with the idea of the blitzkrieg, which called for concentrating their forces striking at the enemies weak point and then advancing deep through enemy lines, while the front lines that hadn't been hit were still confused as to what was happening. A lot of top brass generals were against that idea though, so Hitler dismissed them. Hitler also called for large scale mechanization (transport vehicles and stuff) of the German military, in order to keep up and speed up the advance.

The Germans tested this tactic out on Poland and worked out some of the problems with it, and when they faced France they used it to very good effect (that's why Poland held out longer then France actually, the Germans had refined the blitzkrieg). Germany failed to use this tactic on the Soviets however, as they couldn't keep up their supply lines (especially in the winter), and their concentrated forces spread out and it became a war of attrition.

The invasion of France took place through the Ardene's region, which was very forested and would've been to costly to build the Maginot line through. An alternative for France, would've been to continue the line through Belgium (Ardene's was located besides Belgium's borders, and Belgium is between France and Germany), but Belgium wanted to remain neutral and wouldn't allow it.

You can't deny that Hitler made some great feats (getting the fanatic backing of Germany, helping make and carry out the most devastating tactic in history and conquering half of Europe). Instead you claim that he did bad stuff, and that makes what he did right count for nothing. Napoleon lost at Waterloo, but that doesn't mean he's a shitty general, that means he had a speed bump in his career. The fact that Hitler killed himself means nothing, he would've been executed anyways and he just saved himself a patronizing trial (or worse yet, capture by the Soviets).

[The Kurgan]

Are you saying you wouldn't conquer Europe if you had the chance to? There's a little bit of Hitler inside all of us.

I dunno if I can manage it this turn, I'll need mad good rolls; and green has five cards to cash on his next go.

Can you fort me through Iceland?

The funniest thing I've heard all day.

[The Kurgan]

Look, Hitler didn't do the most in his lifetime because his principles of Nazism are all but dead.

Stalin or Chairman Mao's principles are still in practice all over the world, AND they killed more than Hitler.

AND Hitler was a urophiliac. <shudder>

[cawck mongler]

Look, Hitler didn't do the most in his lifetime because his principles of Nazism are all but dead.

Stalin or Chairman Mao's principles are still in practice all over the world, AND they killed more than Hitler.

AND Hitler was a urophiliac. <shudder>

Stalin and Mao didn't come up with Communism though, in fact, they perverted it into their own little dictatorships. Fascism, which was first implemented by Mussolini and later adopted by Hitler, is still being used, so Hitler made just as much a difference as those two. Also, Stalin and Mao were in power a lot longer then Hitler, his death count would've caught up pretty quickly if he had remained in power.

As for being a urophiliac (if thats even a word), the only account of that was given by a Jewish guy who Hitler fired and forbid to see his cousin, not my idea of unbiased information.

[umanouski]

damn, this is one of the FEMINAZIS i have heard so much about!!!! Anyway, i know where her concern comes from. However, when she said "Coerces a young woman into sex (rape)" she became the feminazi. Think woman, do you think that mabey, oh i dont know, that the young woman would want to have have sex with your boy. Keep in mind not all sex is rape. I understand that you had a rough marriage. But keep in mind, he might become a womanizer, or might not.

Another thing, what about the man? From what i have seen, feminism is for the Superior Woman. That she is better than him. Thats not true. They are equal. What kind of male literature have you taught him. Could it be the starvation from being a man has led to this? Do you allow him to be a man, fart, burp, and pig out? Let him watch wrestling or even have a fight with his brothers? Those are necessary experiences in a boy's life. Or do you make him sit and be a good boy? Those are the questions i ask you.

Oh, i forgot. Did you know feminists host a FEMINIST PORN AWARDS?
So ends my argument

[OnlyAmbrose]

Fascism, which was first implemented by Mussolini and later adopted by Hitler, is still being used, so Hitler made just as much a difference as those two.

That's laughable. Really, it's funny.

Mao created a superpower.

Tell me, how many facist superpowers do you know of, hmmm?

[cawck mongler]

Fascism, which was first implemented by Mussolini and later adopted by Hitler, is still being used, so Hitler made just as much a difference as those two.

That's laughable. Really, it's funny.

Mao created a superpower.

Tell me, how many facist superpowers do you know of, hmmm?

I know you're trolling me now, but I'll feed you anyways.

China and the USSR were both poised to become superpowers before Mao and Stalin took over, in fact, for most of China's history it had been a superpower. Stalin actually did some things to speed up the USSR's growth (misusing the countries wealth to increase its industry as opposed to feeding its citizens, gulags and taking over Eastern Europe for example). Mao on the other hand screwed up big time, he pretty much enslaved his people in order to start his 'peoples projects', which involved forcing unskilled laborers with minimal equipment to try and manufacture equipment that absolutely required some sort of mechanical knowledge and heavy industry and forcing (mostly) unskilled laborers to build a canal (I forget where) with minimal equipment (the canal was actually completed, but there was some kind of problem and they couldn't use it). Mao was complete shit as a leader and needless to say, his projects turned into complete disasters, the most China could do was salvage whatever resources they spent, as not a single thing manufactured was usable.

Another thing about his regime, is that the local administrators (I don't know what they're called, but mayors and stuff) were given their positions based on how much stuff they were able to manufacture and how much food they were able to grow, they were also given almost impossible to meet quotas and if they failed to meet them they were replaced. In order to 'meet' their quotas, they started reporting that they made more then they actually did, and the Chinese government exported more food, resources and equipment then it should of, this hurt the Chinese economy hard and starved millions (in school they always said the starvation was because no one had any incentives to work, which is utter bullshit, if you didn't work you would've been sent to Chinese style gulags).

Also, you could argue that the US is fascist. A fascist government has strong ties with business and the military, the US, has strong ties with business and the military:). But other then that, the reason you don't see any fascist superpowers, is because fascism has historically only been implemented in countries that were going through hard times (the US is more of a fascism-lite, anyways... but it is going through some hard times, or if it isn't, its about to). Also, there aren't exactly any communist superpowers either, the USSR was a state controlled dictatorship and China's a capitalist dictatorship. If Hitler had won the war, you could expect all of Europe to be fascist, as well as northern Africa and the Middle East, and not just in name either, as fascism was actually workable. A lot of African countries can be classified as fascist btw, and I possibly some South American ones as well, I know back then some of them supported the Nazis, look it up if you want to know specific countries though.

[OnlyAmbrose]

I know you're trolling me now, but I'll feed you anyways.

Not trolling at all, it's a valid point. There are no modern facist superpowers.

for most of China's history it had been a superpower.

So was Germany. What both Germany and China have in common is that they were both trash just before a revolutionary leader came along.

Stalin actually did some things to speed up the USSR's growth (misusing the countries wealth to increase its industry as opposed to feeding its citizens, gulags and taking over Eastern Europe for example). Mao on the other hand screwed up big time, he pretty much enslaved his people in order to start his 'peoples projects', which involved forcing unskilled laborers with minimal equipment to try and manufacture equipment that absolutely required some sort of mechanical knowledge and heavy industry and forcing (mostly) unskilled laborers to build a canal (I forget where) with minimal equipment (the canal was actually completed, but there was some kind of problem and they couldn't use it). Mao was complete shit as a leader and needless to say, his projects turned into complete disasters, the most China could do was salvage whatever resources they spent, as not a single thing manufactured was usable.

I find it kind of funny that you are talking about humanitarianism in trying to explain why Hitler is a great man.

Also, you could argue that the US is fascist.

[cawck mongler]

I know you're trolling me now, but I'll feed you anyways.

Not trolling at all, it's a valid point. There are no modern facist superpowers.

for most of China's history it had been a superpower.

So was Germany. What both Germany and China have in common is that they were both trash just before a revolutionary leader came along.

Stalin actually did some things to speed up the USSR's growth (misusing the countries wealth to increase its industry as opposed to feeding its citizens, gulags and taking over Eastern Europe for example). Mao on the other hand screwed up big time, he pretty much enslaved his people in order to start his 'peoples projects', which involved forcing unskilled laborers with minimal equipment to try and manufacture equipment that absolutely required some sort of mechanical knowledge and heavy industry and forcing (mostly) unskilled laborers to build a canal (I forget where) with minimal equipment (the canal was actually completed, but there was some kind of problem and they couldn't use it). Mao was complete shit as a leader and needless to say, his projects turned into complete disasters, the most China could do was salvage whatever resources they spent, as not a single thing manufactured was usable.

I find it kind of funny that you are talking about humanitarianism in trying to explain why Hitler is a great man.

Also, you could argue that the US is fascist.

For starters, ignoring more then half my post while giving retarded one line awnsers thats almost definately flamebait, could be called trolling.

Having no modern fascist superpowers means nothing, I don't know why you're saying it does. And equally as unimportant, you failed to reply to my bit about there being no communist powers.

Germany was almost never a superpower in its history, in the middle ages it was divided into hundreds of princedoms and it took until the 19th century for it to actually become united (up until then the French had made it extremely hard for Germany to unite, and then it had about 75 years of dominance in Europe until it was dismantled in WW1.

I wasn't talking about humanitarianism, I was saying why Mao was a shitty leader, he didn't do anything right.

And tell me why the US doesn't at least partially fit the description of a fascist country?

[OnlyAmbrose]

For starters, ignoring more then half my post while giving retarded one line awnsers thats almost definately flamebait, could be called trolling.

I think I got to most of the valid points in your post. And they didn't require much more than one line. How many lines does it take to say that Germany was quite powerful in its history?

Having no modern fascist superpowers means nothing, I don't know why you're saying it does.

Excuse me, you're the one who brought it up as an accomplishment of Hitler's that there are modern facist states. I'm saying it's not much of an accomplishment at all, because they all suck.

And equally as unimportant, you failed to reply to my bit about there being no communist powers.

I'm certainly not defending communism.

I'm defending the workings of Mao Zedong vs. the workings of Adolf Hitler. And presently, the China founded by Mao is far stronger than any facist state who may have had Hitler-like influences.

Germany was almost never a superpower in its history, in the middle ages it was divided intohundreds of princedoms and it took until the 19th century for it to actually become united

The Holy Roman Empire was a very powerful and influential force in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance era. Additionally, it was a very strong imperial power shortly after its unification. Regions in present-day Germany historically been strong. Prussia, Austria, and the Holy Roman Empire were all very influential in their days. Much like the various dynasties of China.

I wasn't talking about humanitarianism, I was saying why Mao was a shitty leader, he didn't do anything right.

You were criticizing Mao and Stalin for inhumane practices, unless I am much mistaken.

[cawck mongler]

For starters, ignoring more then half my post while giving retarded one line awnsers thats almost definately flamebait, could be called trolling.

I think I got to most of the valid points in your post. And they didn't require much more than one line. How many lines does it take to say that Germany was quite powerful in its history?

Having no modern fascist superpowers means nothing, I don't know why you're saying it does.

Excuse me, you're the one who brought it up as an accomplishment of Hitler's that there are modern facist states. I'm saying it's not much of an accomplishment at all, because they all suck.

And equally as unimportant, you failed to reply to my bit about there being no communist powers.

I'm certainly not defending communism.

I'm defending the workings of Mao Zedong vs. the workings of Adolf Hitler. And presently, the China founded by Mao is far stronger than any facist state who may have had Hitler-like influences.

Germany was almost never a superpower in its history, in the middle ages it was divided intohundreds of princedoms and it took until the 19th century for it to actually become united

The Holy Roman Empire was a very powerful and influential force in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance era. Additionally, it was a very strong imperial power shortly after its unification. Regions in present-day Germany historically been strong. Prussia, Austria, and the Holy Roman Empire were all very influential in their days. Much like the various dynasties of China.

I wasn't talking about humanitarianism, I was saying why Mao was a shitty leader, he didn't do anything right.

You were criticizing Mao and Stalin for inhumane practices, unless I am much mistaken.

Hitler wasn't trying to spread fascism, he was trying to kill Jews and defeat communism. Well, he killed 6 million Jews and almost defeated the USSR, I doubt Mao's China could've beaten a country its own size, let alone one that had 10 times the industrial capacity of it. Mao's only real accomplishment was initially coming to power in China, which was easy as it didn't already have a stable government in place unlike Germany. The fact that China's strong now means nothing, as it would be strong no matter what because of its huge population, and in fact, it would be even stronger if Mao didn't f*ck its shit up so much.

You were the first one to say that there were no Fascist superpowers, I replied by pointing out that not only are there no communist superpowers, but that there aren't any communist countries at all.

The China founded by Mao, is pretty much the same as China has always been, Mao's party just won the civil war and he got put into power, he didn't found anything, he just took an existing country and messed it up. Hitler took an existing weak country and took on various superpowers with it, and almost came out victorious.

The Holy Roman Empire wasn't united, it was a system of independent princedoms that constantly fought between themselves and occasionally fought together (in the crusades for example). They didn't have any real power against the real medieval superpowers. Prussia may have been strong, but it was never a superpower, China however has always been almost completely dominant over its region, the only time it wasn't was when the colonial powers divied it up or when it went through one of its revolutions.

And I never criticized Mao for his humanitarianism, other people said that he killed more then Hitler but Hitlers more criticised and I replied saying Hitler would've killed more if his regime wasn't cut short, and also that Hitler was a better leader then Mao.

[OnlyAmbrose]

Hitler wasn't trying to spread fascism

Then why were you saying that Hitler was an accomplished man on the grounds that several modern nations are facist? Make up your mind, sir.

he was trying to kill Jews

I hope we can agree that such an ambition doesn't make one a "great man".

and defeat communism.

Then why did he declare war on France and Britain well before he attacked the USSR even after both nations tried repeatedly to negotiate peace?

I doubt Mao's China could've beaten a country its own size, let alone one that had 10 times the industrial capacity of it. Mao's only real accomplishment was initially coming to power in China, which was easy as it didn't already have a stable government in place unlike Germany. The fact that China's strong now means nothing, as it would be strong no matter what because of its huge population, and in fact, it would be even stronger if Mao didn't f*ck its shit up so much.

And yet a major difference between Mao's China and Hitler's Germany is that Mao's China still exists... more than that, it is swiftly surpassing the world's current #1 superpower in economic power.

You were the first one to say that there were no Fascist superpowers, I replied by pointing out that not only are there no communist superpowers, but that there aren't any communist countries at all.

Once again, I'm NOT defending communism. You said that Hitler was a great man on the grounds that he left a legacy in the existing facist nations. My point is that the existing facist nations are not a legacy to be proud of...

Hitler took an existing weak country and took on various superpowers with it, and almost came out victorious.

"Almost" doesn't mean much when you resort to committing suicide.

The Holy Roman Empire wasn't united, it was a system of independent princedoms that constantly fought between themselves and occasionally fought together (in the crusades for example). They didn't have any real power against the real medieval superpowers.

They were actually quite influential in the middle ages. Their power didn't wane until much later.

[cawck mongler]

I never said Hitler was great because he left a legacy, todays China isn't the same as Mao's China and owes nothing to him for its success, Britain and France declared war on Germany after Hitler invaded Poland they never tried negotiating peace, it was actually Herman Groering who convinced Britain and France not to go to war when Germany invaded Czechoslovakia, and in order to take on the USSR Hitler wanted to unite Europe behind him.

All your points are either lies, or have nothing to do with what I'm arguing about, I say you're a troll. Either start reading my posts and replying to them with factual points or GTFO, because for your last 4 or so posts you've pretty much written the exact same thing, even when I've debunked your retarded logic and denied all your claims that I'm saying Hitler was a humanitarian.

It takes a great leader to unite a fucked nation, take on several superpowers and come out victorious against a few of them, while almost finishing off the others. Without going into some dumbass bullshit about how Hitler just barely lost his last war or anything else that doesn't relate to what I said, explain to me how that doesn't make a good leader.

[unriggable]

Let's digress:

That woman is a bitch, porn has greatly reduced rape.

[OnlyAmbrose]

Britain and France declared war on Germany after Hitler invaded Poland they never tried negotiating peace,

Clearly you don't know much about the pre-WWII era.

Hitler was getting agressive with Austria and Czechoslovachia, so Britain and France told him to give it a break, and gave him the Sudetenland, hoping he'd stop. He broke the agreement, invaded Poland, and then France. Neither Poland nor France is a communist nation.

Mr. Goering was a Nazi officer, of course he'd want to convince Britain and France not to attack Germany after Hitler made bank in a deal with them. Then mr. hitler basically asked for war when he broke said deal.

in order to take on the USSR Hitler wanted to unite Europe behind him.

Oh, and he did a great job of that, didn't he? After all, he had two of Europe's major power fighting AGAINST him.

I say you're a troll.

you're probably the only person on this forum who would say so...

denied all your claims that I'm saying Hitler was a humanitarian.

You were never directly calling Hitler a humanitarian, but you were defending him by talking about atrocities Stalin committed. That makes no sense whatsoever. Just because Stalin was a monster doesn't mean Hitler wasn't.

It takes a great leader to unite a fucked nation, take on several superpowers and come out victorious against a few of them

Depends on your definition of "great man".

IMO, suicide disqualifies you from both categories.

[hulmey]

GET the LOCKERS ON THIS ONE!!!

Its been hi-jacked

[OnlyAmbrose]

Not that I'm pointing fingers or anything...

Btw, this doesn't contradict what I said in my other thread. The white man has a better culture then all others and thats why he's superior and should not be mocked, degraded etc., but all the ungrateful foreigners complain about equal rights blah blah blah, when if they should just be glad their not living in whatever shithole country they crawled out of.

[MeDeFe]

cawck mongler, I find it really strange how you definte greatness by the number of deaths a person has caused, by the degree to which he has opressed the population, by the size of the wars he caused.

I think you have a very twisted perception.

[The Kurgan]

Greatness, if anything, is the way in which a person has improved the welfare of the people.

[qeee1]

Hitler's great achievement is creating the groundwork for countless lulz.

[heavycola]

cawck mongler, I find it really strange how you definte greatness by the number of deaths a person has caused, by the degree to which he has opressed the population, by the size of the wars he caused.

I think you have a very twisted perception.

Look, if I asked you to kill as many people as possible in a few years, how many do you think you could manage? How many before you got caught? At most, a few thousand? And that's only if you learned terrorism.
Hitler realised the best way to approach the problem of all the alive people who hadn't let him into art school was to take control of a country and act mad. And he managed an astonishing six million deaths! AND they were largely from one ethnic group! Talk about challenging yourself! The man set himself some incredibly ambitious goals and he met every one. Except the ones about ruling the world with a master race.
But still.

[cawck mongler]

Hitler's great achievement is creating the groundwork for countless lulz.

Truly a great man.