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Postby AlgyTaylor on Tue May 29, 2007 8:09 am

I think probably because you find some people who are very adamant that their religion is "right". Plus a large number of wars are because of (or at least blamed on) religion
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Postby unriggable on Tue May 29, 2007 8:16 am

AlgyTaylor wrote:I think probably because you find some people who are very adamant that their religion is "right". Plus a large number of wars are because of (or at least blamed on) religion


A lot of skepticism against *facts* comes from religion.
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Postby ziddijatt on Tue May 29, 2007 8:21 am

AlgyTaylor wrote:I think probably because you find some people who are very adamant that their religion is "right". Plus a large number of wars are because of (or at least blamed on) religion


ye but y look at a few examples and be against religion as a whole no matta wa gd it duz?
thats how u start stereotypes

unriggable wrote:A lot of skepticism against *facts* comes from religion.


such as?
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Tue May 29, 2007 9:44 am

ziddijatt wrote:wa all u peeps got against religion?

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Postby jay_a2j on Tue May 29, 2007 9:48 am

mr. incrediball wrote:
Caleb the Cruel wrote:Disprove...
1. Judaism
2. Islam
3. Buddhism
4. Hinduism
5. Christianity


The first four should be easy, but the last one cannot be disproven. Good luck!


mm-hmm, i still don't get what christianity does that is different from any other religion.



They recognize Jesus as God. And believe that Jesus is the only way to God.
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Postby Guiscard on Tue May 29, 2007 9:53 am

jay_a2j wrote:
mr. incrediball wrote:
Caleb the Cruel wrote:Disprove...
1. Judaism
2. Islam
3. Buddhism
4. Hinduism
5. Christianity


The first four should be easy, but the last one cannot be disproven. Good luck!


mm-hmm, i still don't get what christianity does that is different from any other religion.



They recognize Jesus as God. And believe that Jesus is the only way to God.


But that doesn't make it any less provable!

In pure historical terms, Islam should be hardest to disprove because it is the youngest!
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Postby vtmarik on Tue May 29, 2007 9:58 am

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mr. incrediball wrote:
Caleb the Cruel wrote:Disprove...
1. Judaism
2. Islam
3. Buddhism
4. Hinduism
5. Christianity


The first four should be easy, but the last one cannot be disproven. Good luck!


mm-hmm, i still don't get what christianity does that is different from any other religion.

Uh, obviously they believe the Cross is theirs. And they like making movies about people on Crosses and getting tortured.


:roll:


Yes, forgetting of course that the cross is an alchemical symbol denoting the partitioning of the universe into active and passive principles.

Well, considering that Islam and Christianity wouldn't exist if Judaism was false, by disproving Judaism you disprove the other two Abrahamic faiths.

How does one "Disprove" a religion? You can disprove the claims a religion makes. You can't disprove a God(s) since they're based mostly on opinion, as well as the fact that they are abstract concepts used to define the uncertainties of a concrete world.

I can disprove Christianity's supposed originality quite easily. Would you like me show you how it's built on co-opted pagan festivals and various rituals/concepts culled and cut from other older religions?
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Postby AlgyTaylor on Tue May 29, 2007 10:00 am

jay_a2j wrote:They recognize Jesus as God. And believe that Jesus is the only way to God.

I thought Jesus was the son of god .... in any case, I think they believe that the only way to god/allah/whatever is through god/allah/whatever himself/herself/itself.
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Postby ziddijatt on Tue May 29, 2007 10:01 am

Guiscard wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
mr. incrediball wrote:
Caleb the Cruel wrote:Disprove...
1. Judaism
2. Islam
3. Buddhism
4. Hinduism
5. Christianity


The first four should be easy, but the last one cannot be disproven. Good luck!


mm-hmm, i still don't get what christianity does that is different from any other religion.



They recognize Jesus as God. And believe that Jesus is the only way to God.


But that doesn't make it any less provable!

In pure historical terms, Islam should be hardest to disprove because it is the youngest!


errrr sikhism? which is the major faith that is missing
an why r younger religions harder to disprove?
an what accounts to disproving a religion?
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Postby Guiscard on Tue May 29, 2007 10:03 am

ziddijatt wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
mr. incrediball wrote:
Caleb the Cruel wrote:Disprove...
1. Judaism
2. Islam
3. Buddhism
4. Hinduism
5. Christianity


The first four should be easy, but the last one cannot be disproven. Good luck!


mm-hmm, i still don't get what christianity does that is different from any other religion.



They recognize Jesus as God. And believe that Jesus is the only way to God.


But that doesn't make it any less provable!

In pure historical terms, Islam should be hardest to disprove because it is the youngest!


errrr sikhism? which is the major faith that is missing
an why r younger religions harder to disprove?
an what accounts to disproving a religion?


I'm talking in terms of the actual figure of the prophet - i.e. Jesus or Mohammad (due to Jays stressing of Christ). Mohammad was more recent and so their should be more evidence in first hand accounts, diaries etc. of miracles and spiritual events...

This is all by the by, though. I'm just bashing Christianity because it is my only pleasure in life.
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Postby The Random One on Tue May 29, 2007 10:04 am

Man, people on this board are too hung up on religion. Religion and Mafia. Mafia and Religion. Can't we argue on who would win a battle between Samus Aran and Master Chief, or an angry bear and a hungry shark, like every other internet forum?

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Postby AlgyTaylor on Tue May 29, 2007 10:06 am

ziddijatt wrote:ye but y look at a few examples and be against religion as a whole no matta wa gd it duz?
thats how u start stereotypes

You asked why people were against religion, I gave you an answer ... that's generally the way that people who are against religion see things, the same as people who are against the theory of evolution see how it doesn't fit in to the way that they see the world, despite all the facts to the contrary.

Oh, and the small matter of denying *facts* (eg the world revolves around the sun) probably doesn't help the cases for the religions that claim that those facts aren't true.

As I've said before, I don't think religion is to blame for wars -- people are to blame for wars, religion is usually just an excuse/justification for doing it.
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Postby ziddijatt on Tue May 29, 2007 10:10 am

AlgyTaylor wrote:
ziddijatt wrote:ye but y look at a few examples and be against religion as a whole no matta wa gd it duz?
thats how u start stereotypes

You asked why people were against religion, I gave you an answer ... that's generally the way that people who are against religion see things, the same as people who are against the theory of evolution see how it doesn't fit in to the way that they see the world, despite all the facts to the contrary.

Oh, and the small matter of denying *facts* (eg the world revolves around the sun) probably doesn't help the cases for the religions that claim that those facts aren't true.

As I've said before, I don't think religion is to blame for wars -- people are to blame for wars, religion is usually just an excuse/justification for doing it.


kk i thort u were talkin about u

ye but thats only sum religions so peeps shud talk about them religions rather then religions as a whole

ye i agree peeps jus misquote scriptures jus to use them for their own purposes an persuade others what they are doing is right
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Postby ziddijatt on Tue May 29, 2007 10:12 am

The Random One wrote:Man, people on this board are too hung up on religion. Religion and Mafia. Mafia and Religion. Can't we argue on who would win a battle between Samus Aran and Master Chief, or an angry bear and a hungry shark, like every other internet forum?

:roll:


i think its a gd thing but if u disagree start a topic bout them things
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Postby alex_white101 on Tue May 29, 2007 10:14 am

Newcastle wrote:try one that is main stream and i'll answer. ask about muslims


hahahaha that made me laugh :lol:
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Postby Guiscard on Tue May 29, 2007 10:16 am

AlgyTaylor wrote:As I've said before, I don't think religion is to blame for wars -- people are to blame for wars, religion is usually just an excuse/justification for doing it.


Crusades?

I'm researching medieval history for a PhD at the moment, and I can tell you that there are countless cases of evidence (diaries, letters etc.) which show the vast majority of crusaders genuinely believed that, by fighting the infidel, their sins would be absolved and that they would be guaranteed a place in heaven. They didn't just go 'hey lets go to war... but we need an excuse... BING! Religion'... Religion was why they went to war. A significant portion of the peasantry believed that when they finally reached Jerusalem they were going to be confronted with a heavenly ethereal city rather than one of stone and mortar.
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Postby ziddijatt on Tue May 29, 2007 10:37 am

Guiscard wrote:
AlgyTaylor wrote:As I've said before, I don't think religion is to blame for wars -- people are to blame for wars, religion is usually just an excuse/justification for doing it.


Crusades?

I'm researching medieval history for a PhD at the moment, and I can tell you that there are countless cases of evidence (diaries, letters etc.) which show the vast majority of crusaders genuinely believed that, by fighting the infidel, their sins would be absolved and that they would be guaranteed a place in heaven. They didn't just go 'hey lets go to war... but we need an excuse... BING! Religion'... Religion was why they went to war. A significant portion of the peasantry believed that when they finally reached Jerusalem they were going to be confronted with a heavenly ethereal city rather than one of stone and mortar.


i was thinkin in a modern sense wiv all this jihad an that but back in them days they jus got rid of other religions so theirs was the only one but im not sure the ppl at the top leading the fight always had religion as their first thort as alot was about power an ruling empires but u know more then me bout these things if u aint bullshittin bout wa u doin
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Postby Syzygy on Tue May 29, 2007 10:51 am

I challenge you! Disprove my religion:

http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/promos ... s-god.html

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Postby Dancing Mustard on Tue May 29, 2007 10:55 am

The Random One wrote:Man, people on this board are too hung up on religion. Religion and Mafia. Mafia and Religion. Can't we argue on who would win a battle between Samus Aran and Master Chief, or an angry bear and a hungry shark, like every other internet forum?

:roll:

Well I dunno, if they were like, in an environment where they were both equally comfortable and mobile, then I guess the bear would win. Because sharks have got massive teeth and all it would take would be like one huge bite; but bears are just big and badass and could probably claw the shark to death from range. But yeah, it'd be a cool fight. Dude, my mind is like totally blown just thinking about it.

So, how many 4 year olds do you think you could succesfully fight at one time?
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Postby Guiscard on Tue May 29, 2007 10:55 am

Syzygy wrote:I challenge you! Disprove my religion:

http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/promos ... s-god.html

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Postby AlgyTaylor on Tue May 29, 2007 11:19 am

Guiscard wrote:Crusades?

I'm researching medieval history for a PhD at the moment, and I can tell you that there are countless cases of evidence (diaries, letters etc.) which show the vast majority of crusaders genuinely believed that, by fighting the infidel, their sins would be absolved and that they would be guaranteed a place in heaven. They didn't just go 'hey lets go to war... but we need an excuse... BING! Religion'... Religion was why they went to war. A significant portion of the peasantry believed that when they finally reached Jerusalem they were going to be confronted with a heavenly ethereal city rather than one of stone and mortar.

Good luck with the PhD, dude. Medieval history is the best .... find it very interesting myself :)

I don't disagree at all that the vast majority of the people who took part believed that they would go to heaven by fighting, in the same way that the ones involved in the twin towers plane crash thingy almost certainly believed that they'd go to heaven when they died.

But the people who actually decided that the war should take place - possibly the pope, I'm not too up on my crusades I'm afraid - probably had something in mind other than sending a load of people to heaven! Probably more in lines of reclaiming the holy land because the catholic church would undoubtedly be in a stronger position if it controlled it's own holy lands.

I just think that rather than saying "we want to control the holy lands because it'll put us in a stronger position", the church probably went along the lines of "everyone who does what we say will go to heaven" without any theological evidence suggesting that what they said may be the case ...
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Postby jay_a2j on Tue May 29, 2007 1:03 pm

Guiscard wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
mr. incrediball wrote:
Caleb the Cruel wrote:Disprove...
1. Judaism
2. Islam
3. Buddhism
4. Hinduism
5. Christianity


The first four should be easy, but the last one cannot be disproven. Good luck!


mm-hmm, i still don't get what christianity does that is different from any other religion.



They recognize Jesus as God. And believe that Jesus is the only way to God.


But that doesn't make it any less provable!

In pure historical terms, Islam should be hardest to disprove because it is the youngest!



I was just answering the question, what in Christianity makes it different from any other religion?


To address the other point brought up...Jesus is the Son of God and is God. This is were we get into the trinity and the questions like: "Is God schizophrenic?" (Talking to Himself on the cross) :wink:
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Postby unriggable on Tue May 29, 2007 1:10 pm

Well obviously in biological terms, you can't be your own father, therefore christianity is false. Prett easy.
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Postby Guiscard on Tue May 29, 2007 1:19 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
mr. incrediball wrote:
Caleb the Cruel wrote:Disprove...
1. Judaism
2. Islam
3. Buddhism
4. Hinduism
5. Christianity


The first four should be easy, but the last one cannot be disproven. Good luck!


mm-hmm, i still don't get what christianity does that is different from any other religion.



They recognize Jesus as God. And believe that Jesus is the only way to God.


But that doesn't make it any less provable!

In pure historical terms, Islam should be hardest to disprove because it is the youngest!



I was just answering the question, what in Christianity makes it different from any other religion?


To address the other point brought up...Jesus is the Son of God and is God. This is were we get into the trinity and the questions like: "Is God schizophrenic?" (Talking to Himself on the cross) :wink:


The question was why it should be harder to disprove. Your answer didn't have anything to do with the question...
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Postby jay_a2j on Tue May 29, 2007 1:21 pm

unriggable wrote:Well obviously in biological terms, you can't be your own father, therefore christianity is false. Prett easy.



Except God is not "biological". God is Spirit. God came to Earth in the form of "His Son" to do what no man could possibly do.... die for the world's sins.
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