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brooksieb wrote:hello anyone wanna discuss
Frigidus wrote:brooksieb wrote:hello anyone wanna discuss
Palestine (at least their heads of state) doesn't want there to be a Palestine, they want there to be a lack of Israel. We already tried giving them their own country, and they refused.
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itiq wrote:Tha "Israeli" ball started rolling after the Balfour Declaration, the holocaust may have been the catalyst but prior to it there was the pogroms in Russia and what seemed a general dislike for jews in many parts of the world before WWII even before christ. My understanding on this topic is limited, it intrigues me though, I do think the creation of the state of Israel to be somewhat fair, every culture has its doubters and dislikers, jews and muslims are no different. I also think Israel's surrounding arch-neighbors have somewhat fair reason to be as they are towards Israel, less the bombings and rocket attacks. The negotiating process for the creation of the Israeli state may have been biased, given the era of the day. I don't know what more to say, let em battle it out in a game of soccer, hockey and all the olymipic sports Jew v Muslim/Palestinian of the world and may the winner have glory!
itiq wrote:Well DaGip, native americans either signed treaties and went their merry way or were in the process of being exterminated and regretfully forced to accept, i think!
Kind of like current state's governments apologizing for slavery back in the 1800s and so on. It's a bit pointless at this time when you think about it.Frigidus wrote:itiq wrote:Well DaGip, native americans either signed treaties and went their merry way or were in the process of being exterminated and regretfully forced to accept, i think!
Indeed...the United States isn't the first country created using other's land, and it won't be the last. That said, there isn't much that can be done at this point. For instance, if the US attempted to return land to them, the modern residents of former native American lands would be forced to leave their homes. Should they pay for a crime they (and possibly not even their ancestors depending on when they immigrated) didn't commit? It is truly regrettable that our country was founded in violence, but there isn't much we can do to change the past.
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Let's just say that the tower of Babel is a mistranslation.
itiq wrote:Tha "Israeli" ball started rolling after the Balfour Declaration, the holocaust may have been the catalyst but prior to it there was the pogroms in Russia and what seemed a general dislike for jews in many parts of the world before WWII even before christ. My understanding on this topic is limited, it intrigues me though, I do think the creation of the state of Israel to be somewhat fair, every culture has its doubters and dislikers, jews and muslims are no different. I also think Israel's surrounding arch-neighbors have somewhat fair reason to be as they are towards Israel, less the bombings and rocket attacks. The negotiating process for the creation of the Israeli state may have been biased, given the era of the day. I don't know what more to say, let em battle it out in a game of soccer, hockey and all the olymipic sports Jew v Muslim/Palestinian of the world and may the winner have glory!
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Guiscard wrote:itiq wrote:Tha "Israeli" ball started rolling after the Balfour Declaration, the holocaust may have been the catalyst but prior to it there was the pogroms in Russia and what seemed a general dislike for jews in many parts of the world before WWII even before christ. My understanding on this topic is limited, it intrigues me though, I do think the creation of the state of Israel to be somewhat fair, every culture has its doubters and dislikers, jews and muslims are no different. I also think Israel's surrounding arch-neighbors have somewhat fair reason to be as they are towards Israel, less the bombings and rocket attacks. The negotiating process for the creation of the Israeli state may have been biased, given the era of the day. I don't know what more to say, let em battle it out in a game of soccer, hockey and all the olymipic sports Jew v Muslim/Palestinian of the world and may the winner have glory!
This is a good post.
I have fairly strong feelings on the matter, and I'm still not sure I contend Israel's right to exist. That isn't to say that Israel has not perpetrated some nasty bits of foreign policy in the past. I think what some people in this thread seem to be misunderstanding is that the Muslims don't wish the end of Israel because of some long-seated anti-semitic tenancy (indeed, we in the Christian West arguably have a more prevelant and worse history regarding the Jews). Israel was literally created right in the middle of land that had been in Muslim hands for six or seven hundred years. Furthermore, there has always been such a mix of people in the area. The Muslim population of Palestine was not some migratory Muslim horde who racked up when Muhammad told them to, or under Ottoman rule or whatever. They have always been there, always resided in that area, and chose Islam as their religion, just as others have historically been Jewish or Syrian Christian or any number of other religions in the area. Pretty much every single person who lives there has a right to be there, so we dofn't need ridiculous comments like 'it's Jewrusalem' (although that did seem sarcastic in nature).
got tonkaed wrote:personally im hoping for an eventual one state solution, which would probably come about through granting representation to the palestinans. Sure it doesnt solve all of the problems involved, but i think it would probably change the nature of the situation quite a bit, and i think makes a resonable amount of sense given all the circumstances in play.
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