RIP CHARLIE

[karel]

so sad to see this happen, so uncalled for, but so glad the left is so fcking happy about this, you make me want to fcking puke

[HitRed]

[DirtyDishSoap]

Everyone that has been trying to turn this into a political movement has some serious mental problems.

[Pack Rat]

Charlie is dead?

[HitRed]

“Utah Valley University’s own police chief acknowledged his department failed to fully secure the campus before conservative activist Charlie Kirk was fatally shot during a speech in Orem on Wednesday.

Six UVU officers were assigned to the event, along with Kirk’s personal security team and plainclothes officers in the crowd, according to reporting from FOX13.”

[saxitoxin]

I'd never even heard of Utah Valley University before this. On Wikipedia it says it's the largest university in Utah, which I find surprising.

[saxitoxin]

Wild coverage from a Mormon TikToker ---

https://x.com/ratlimit/status/1965945538903421439

-- despite the chaos of the moment, he still managed to plug his IG handle.

[jusplay4fun]

I'd never even heard of Utah Valley University before this. On Wikipedia it says it's the largest university in Utah, which I find surprising.

me either. And that depends on how "size" is measured. (enrollment = 45,812; that is HUGE for UTAH)

In VA, that title likely belongs to Liberty University, due to its HUGE online presence. I know many students who take a class here or there, such as my daughter when she was completing courses for her teaching credentials. Liberty is a private Christian school started by Rev. Jerry Falwell, that got LOTS of money from a few loyal and rich supporters. When I drove by it, for several years, it kept GROWING.

AI Overview
Utah Valley University (UVU) has a 100% acceptance rate, operating as an open-admissions institution. This means all students who meet the minimum application requirements are accepted. While not required for admission, applicants should submit high school transcripts and may submit SAT/ACT scores.

data:
https://www.petersons.com/college-search/utah-valley-university-000_10000746.aspx

AI Overview
Liberty University enrolls largest student body in history ...
Liberty University had a total enrollment of 96,709 students in Fall 2022, with 48,906 undergraduate and 47,803 graduate students. For the 2022-2023 academic year, the university's record enrollment included 15,800 students on campus and 115,000 students in online programs, according to a news release from October 2022.

Confirmed.

AND:

Its high number of students can be explained in particular by its tuition fees, which are among the lowest in the United States.[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_University

[jusplay4fun]

Unusual, I was thinking, that the FBI and others are STILL looking for the Killer. This is not so open and shut as I originally thought. The killer is a sniper who got away, so far. I was thinking the FBI "had their man" about 8:00 pm CCT on 9/10/25.

They will FIND HIM, I am confident; this search may take a while, though.

Manhunt for Charlie Kirk killer continues as Trump says it is 'dark moment for America'

A manhunt is ongoing for the killer of conservative activist and influential Trump ally Charlie Kirk, who died after being shot at a university in Utah

Two people who were arrested have since been released - officials say they have "no current ties" to the shooting

It's not clear if police have any leads on the gunman - but authorities don't seem to think they're still on campus, our reporter at Utah Valley University writes

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c206zm81z4gt

[KoolBak]

Well...story unfolding.

Liberals pissed off he used a hunting rifle.

[Pack Rat]

AI Overview



+4
Yes, conservative commentator Charlie Kirk publicly called for a "patriot" to bail out David DePape, the man who attacked Paul Pelosi. During an episode of his podcast in late October 2022, following the attack, Kirk encouraged someone in his audience to pay for DePape's bail.
Details of Kirk's comments
The call for bail: Kirk referred to DePape as "this fella" and suggested that an "amazing patriot" should "be a midterm hero" by bailing him out of jail.
A request for questioning: Kirk added that once DePape was released, this patriot should "go ask him some questions". This was done in reference to circulating conspiracy theories at the time, which suggested the attack on Pelosi was not as it was reported by law enforcement.
Condemnation of the attack: Reporting by Snopes noted that during the same podcast, Kirk also condemned the attack as "awful," despite his call for someone to bail out the attacker.
Context of the attack
The assailant: David DePape was a right-wing conspiracy theorist who broke into the Pelosi residence in San Francisco looking for then-Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.
The victim: DePape attacked her husband, Paul Pelosi, with a hammer, causing a skull fracture and other injuries.
Conspiracy theories: In the aftermath of the attack, false and baseless conspiracy theories, promoted by figures in right-wing media like Kirk, spread online. These misinformation campaigns attempted to downplay the attack or depict it as a random crime, despite evidence and a later life sentence showing DePape was motivated by his beliefs.

[ConfederateSS]

-----------------Tyler Robinson(age 22) has been caught......The killer of Kirk......His Father(Ratted him out) , "Tyler was talking about Kirk coming to that college....He said some horrible things about Kirk"....As they talked a few days ago...
-----------------The moral to this story...You can't even trust your family...Well , for $100,000 anyway......So much for family loyalty... ....Laughing breaks the tension...Laughter is the best medicine...That would never happen in The Mafia....Family's everything.... ...
--------------Because , it's his father.....Does the killer's father get the money...$100,000 reward ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... .........I actually was just about to Rat(not you pee rat)... Saxi out....For The Mula... ...Damn,I took to long to type my post to KASH PATEL...
-------------The killer had written on one of the bullet casings not fired...."Hey,fascist catch!"......

[Evil Semp]

Well...story unfolding.

Liberals pissed off he used a hunting rifle.

Are you upset that the killer wasn't transgender like your orignal post stated?

[KoolBak]

Why on earth would I be upset?

I'm broken hearted that those children lost their father

[jusplay4fun]

Erika Kirk, widow of Charlie, gave a powerful, emotional, eloquent speech about her husband and what his death means and where she and the "movement" goes from here.

Live updates: Erika Kirk says slain husband's ‘mission will not end'
Erika Kirk said Turning Point USA events and her late husband's podcast will go on.

What to Know
The suspect arrested in the killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk has been identified by officials as 22-year-old Utah resident Tyler Robinson. Officials said they believe the suspect "acted alone."

Officials found a bolt-action rifle wrapped in a dark towel yesterday in a wooded area on the edge of Utah Valley University, where the shooting occurred. There were inscriptions on casings found within the rifle, officials said.

One of the inscriptions had the lyrics to the Italian folk song “Bella Ciao," Cox said. Another read “Hey fascist! Catch!” with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows. A third stated, "If you read this, you are gay LMAO.”

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/trump-administration-charlie-kirk-fbi-israel-gaza-september-12-2025/3987405/

Erika Kirk said Turning Point USA's campus tours scheduled for this fall will continue and that there will be "more tours in the years to come." She also said Charlie's radio and podcast show will go on.

"The cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry," Erika said. "To everyone listening tonight across America, the movement my husband built will not die. It won't. I refuse to let that happen. It will not die. All of us will refuse to let that happen.

"No one will ever forget my husband's name, and I will make sure of it. It will become stronger, bolder, louder and greater than ever. My husband's mission will not end, not even for a moment."

[mookiemcgee]

Interesting to read and try to wrap my head around this killer being an alt right / white nationalist Nick Fuentes acolyte. Apparently they hated Charlie Kirk for being too much of a moderate and over his support for Israel and that seems to be the likely motivation for this murder now.

Pretty sad about the school shooting that day too, seems like everyone survived except the shooter who eventually killed himself. 47 school shootings have occurred so far in 2025 in the US. Thankfully most don't end in deaths, but 17 deaths so far.

[jusplay4fun]

Besides the tragedy of the death of someone, anyone, the death of Charlie Kirk bothers me for many reasons. He leaves behind a wife and two very young children; that is especially tragic.

Erika Kirk recalls the heartbreaking moment her young daughter asked her: "Where's Daddy?"

"What do you tell a 3-year-old? She's three. I said, 'Baby, Daddy loves you so much. Don't you worry, he's on a work trip with Jesus so he can afford your blueberry budget."

What also bothers me is that Charlie Kirk was willing and did debate anyone on any college campus. He was willing to engage college students and debate them and answer their questions. It has been said that such discussion and such engagement should occur in the college classroom, but often does NOT. Charlie was willing to debate and have frank and open discussions, from what I have learned about him. I will be honest: I really did not know much about him before his death. (I also barely know of Joe Rogan and seldom listen to podcasts.) I prefer to get a more wide range of ideas and get my news from several sources and not all from one side or the other of the political divide.

I try to engage my students and get them to think. My audience is much smaller in my classroom (than his) and I avoid discussion of politics when teaching. BUT I enjoy debate and think that debate is a great way to engage others and am willing to debate and discuss with others, even those who disagree with me. I enjoy especially debating Duk and Mookie, two guys with whom I rarely agree politically. They usually offer good coherent ideas and support them with logic and good sources, as needed.

And then there are those with NO Debate skills, who lack coherence, and are clueless. PERIOD.

[ConfederateSS]

Besides the tragedy of the death of someone, anyone, the death of Charlie Kirk bothers me for many reasons. He leaves behind a wife and two very young children; that is especially tragic.

Erika Kirk recalls the heartbreaking moment her young daughter asked her: "Where's Daddy?"

"What do you tell a 3-year-old? She's three. I said, 'Baby, Daddy loves you so much. Don't you worry, he's on a work trip with Jesus so he can afford your blueberry budget."

What also bothers me is that Charlie Kirk was willing and did debate anyone on any college campus. He was willing to engage college students and debate them and answer their questions. It has been said that such discussion and such engagement should occur in the college classroom, but often does NOT. Charlie was willing to debate and have frank and open discussions, from what I have learned about him. I will be honest: I really did not know much about him before his death. (I also barely know of Joe Rogan and seldom listen to podcasts.) I prefer to get a more wide range of ideas and get my news from several sources and not all from one side or the other of the political divide.

I try to engage my students and get them to think. My audience is much smaller in my classroom (than his) and I avoid discussion of politics when teaching. BUT I enjoy debate and think that debate is a great way to engage others and am willing to debate and discuss with others, even those who disagree with me. I enjoy especially debating Duk and Mookie, two guys with whom I rarely agree politically. They usually offer good coherent ideas and support them with logic and good sources, as needed.

And then there are those with NO Debate skills, who lack coherence, and are clueless. PERIOD.

--------------What should bother everyone, is the lack of safety at these events....Like TRUMP,last year,hit in the ear by a bullet....Once again...Killer on a roof of a building...close by......Could people/security start using helicopters or drones at these events...Eyes up high...Maybe go to places holding events with roofs having barbed wire on them....Keep climbers off them.... ....Or hold events like KIRK,TRUMP had, indoors... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ....Like TRUMP,people saw the killer on top of the building before the shooting...People taking pictures with their phones...of killer on a roof...PHONES PEOPLE...Here's an idea,CALL 911....YOU'RE HOLDING A PHONE!!!!!!

[HitRed]

[HitRed]

“TPUSA sees 18,000 new chapter requests after Erika Kirk’s remarks“

Note: she’s Catholic

[Dukasaur]

He leaves behind a wife and two very young children; that is especially tragic.

Maybe they'll be better off. They would almost certainly be brainwashed with his right-wing ideology -- now maybe they'll have a chance to see the world with an open mind. Or not. Never know for sure. But it's certainly possible.

I know my life would have been a lot easier if somebody had shot my asshole parents when I was young.

What also bothers me is that Charlie Kirk was willing and did debate anyone on any college campus.

(...)

And then there are those with NO Debate skills, who lack coherence, and are clueless.

Actually, this is what bothers me most about this asshole. Mind you, I don't know a lot about him. Only saw a couple of his disgusting videos, but yeah, they were pretty evil.

Debating is a professional skill. It's like being a lawyer and an actor at the same time. It takes professional training and lots and lots of practise. No matter how well you know the subject matter, if you're not rehearsed with all the clever lines pre-planned and orchestrated, in a live debate situation you're going to um and ah and trip over yourself.

So both the videos I saw of this scumbag were pretty much the same thing. He invites some young people (who are very obviously not trained actors) to "debate" him and then he proceeds to rip them to shreds with his pre-planned clever lines about whatever it was. (He was completely wrong in the stuff he said, but if you have all the clever comebacks that have been market-tested on a thousand notice boards and then rehearsed, you can make anything sound right.)

For a trained master debater to rip apart some innocent people who have no rehearsal and no team behind them, is complete child's play. It's the intellectual equivalent of Mike Tyson beating up your kid sister. Would you consider it a glorious achievement if Mike Tyson challenged your kid sister and proceeded to smash her face in? No? Then don't glorify it when this professional stooge takes on amateur undergrad debaters and proceeds to destroy them.

He was a nauseating piece of shit, professionally trained and exhaustively rehearsed in spreading propaganda, demolishing well-intended but untrained and unrehearsed opponents.

(in honesty, I don't know if there were other occassions when he picked on people his own size. I only saw two of his shitty videos and they both involved preying on innocents. But that's not an exhausting sample size,)

[HitRed]

Duka you need healing.

Charlie preached the nuclear family. Now these kids don’t have a dad.

First video of him I found. In California.

[jusplay4fun]

Duka you need healing.

Charlie preached the nuclear family.

Yes, Duk needs lots of healing. There is LOTS of anger there, Duk.

He leaves behind a wife and two very young children; that is especially tragic.

I know my life would have been a lot easier if somebody had shot my asshole parents when I was young.

As far as evil, what is evil about preaching about a nuclear family? Or is Duk's psyche so harmed by his nuclear family or lack of one?

In regard to debating skills:

1) If one does anything often, that person is VERY LIKELY GOOD at that task or skill. SO yes, Charlier Kirk was very good at debate, as was done at his presentations.

2) Did he have lots of one-liners that he delivered well ? YES. Does that make his arguments weak or incorrect or evil or any other adjective Duk wants to use there? NO.

3) Does the fact that he engaged in debate important? YES, as most talking heads ONLY talk and fail to listen. Charlie HAD to listen to the question and to the comments to respond; he could not rely SOLELY on one-liners and pat answers.

4) Yes, Duk needs a larger sample of videos before offering a valid opinion of his presentations:

Duk said:

So both the videos I saw.....

and

I only saw two of his shitty videos

5) Now we apparently learn that Duk suffers not ONLY from TDS, but reacts strongly and negatively to values of faith, family and patriotism. Duk found them

nauseating

SAD. We learn why Duk is apparently anti-family.

6) I see the debates of Charlie vs. "All Comers" at his presentation like a simultaneous chess match by a Grand Master where he takes on some 50 players all at once. Does the quality of the opposition diminish his accomplishment? NO.

And he went to colleges to engage young people with ideas and the chance to challenge those ideas and think about ideas that are not always what one was taught as children. He gave those students a chance to think and engage. Apparently this does not occur often in many college classrooms. There is much presentations of a limited set of values and ideals and one side of the political debate.

Critical thinking, seems to me, is very lacking. This too is SAD.

[mookiemcgee]

He leaves behind a wife and two very young children; that is especially tragic.

Maybe they'll be better off. They would almost certainly be brainwashed with his right-wing ideology -- now maybe they'll have a chance to see the world with an open mind. Or not. Never know for sure. But it's certainly possible.

I know my life would have been a lot easier if somebody had shot my asshole parents when I was young.

What also bothers me is that Charlie Kirk was willing and did debate anyone on any college campus.

(...)

And then there are those with NO Debate skills, who lack coherence, and are clueless.

Actually, this is what bothers me most about this asshole. Mind you, I don't know a lot about him. Only saw a couple of his disgusting videos, but yeah, they were pretty evil.

Debating is a professional skill. It's like being a lawyer and an actor at the same time. It takes professional training and lots and lots of practise. No matter how well you know the subject matter, if you're not rehearsed with all the clever lines pre-planned and orchestrated, in a live debate situation you're going to um and ah and trip over yourself.

So both the videos I saw of this scumbag were pretty much the same thing. He invites some young people (who are very obviously not trained actors) to "debate" him and then he proceeds to rip them to shreds with his pre-planned clever lines about whatever it was. (He was completely wrong in the stuff he said, but if you have all the clever comebacks that have been market-tested on a thousand notice boards and then rehearsed, you can make anything sound right.)

For a trained master debater to rip apart some innocent people who have no rehearsal and no team behind them, is complete child's play. It's the intellectual equivalent of Mike Tyson beating up your kid sister. Would you consider it a glorious achievement if Mike Tyson challenged your kid sister and proceeded to smash her face in? No? Then don't glorify it when this professional stooge takes on amateur undergrad debaters and proceeds to destroy them.

He was a nauseating piece of shit, professionally trained and exhaustively rehearsed in spreading propaganda, demolishing well-intended but untrained and unrehearsed opponents.

(in honesty, I don't know if there were other occassions when he picked on people his own size. I only saw two of his shitty videos and they both involved preying on innocents. But that's not an exhausting sample size,)

He was a money making machine, and he was very early to figuring out the formula to building social media audiences (short clips with lots of gotcha moment clips). Once he gained a certain level of notoriety alot of videos against him were made... in exactly the same style. For better or worse that seems to be what works on folks growing up in the social media age.

One the positive side, imo he did manage to make arguments without swearing and letting his disdain/anger get the best of him while things could have easily devolved into screaming. There are a few times where it he did seem to lose his cool but that was generally due to being across from other professional debaters or political talking heads. While I think what he did was kind of a cheap gimmick to make money, I think he truly believed it and truly did feel like he was doing good in the world. He had the balls to actually say on camera that Netanyahu and his party were pursing ethnic cleansing in Gaza. I also respect that towards the end he went to oxford and entered an actual debate with students who were on an actual debate team (it went a little different than when the 19yos would make an argument that sounded like it was written for Alicia Silverstone's character in clueless).

On the other side he exhibited a strong disdain for black people, and hispanics. He didn't seem to believe women should be in college for any other reason than to meet a husband, so they could go on to be stay at home moms. He told millions of college students they were waisting their time and money by pursuing a college education (regardless of their gender). He became worth 100's of millions of dollars by debating unprepared people and then editing it down to just the most gotcha moments. He was also far too ready to defend the actions of the Trump administration when they did exactly the opposite of what they campaigned on. I think more will come out about how torn he was over the last few months of his life in regards to this.

I think some of the things he argued for like transforming society so both parents don't have to work just to keep a roof and food on the table have near universal appeal. That said he used his faith as the backbone of some of his arguments (like being against all abortions), but then wouldn't reference his faith at all when defending policies that would be in direct conflict with his faith (like 2nd amendment is more important than doing something as basic as having a federal gun registry to try and stop/slow kids access to guns/school shootings).

Ultimately, if it turns out like it looks like its gonna turn out... that he was shot, at a school, by a member of a right wing extremist group, a group that he helped merge into the mainstream of the republican party over the last 10 years... Aside from the irony of it all, perhaps some fans of his that have been pushed to extremism through social media echochambering will actually take a step back and re-examine what actually matters in life, because it certainly isn't politics.


I went back to look where hitred denounced the killing of Melissa Hortman and her husband back in June. Both she and her husband were killed, and their kids now have no parents. Sadly not a peep from hitred or president Trump on that one. There was no posting from hitred at all about this catholic sunday school teacher who was murdered in her own home, maybe because the message from her kids after her death wasn't partisan enough for his taste?






Jusplay on the other hand was the first to call it a sad day and denounced the killings even if he doesn't agree with her politics... maybe there is hope for the country!

Or not, looks like he's back to labeling anyone that disagrees with him as having TDS