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Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby mrswdk on Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:24 am

Have gender reveal parties gone too far?

As multiple wildfires burn in California, one of the fires was started during a gender-reveal party, officials said.

A "smoke generating pyrotechnic device" used at the party caused the El Dorado Fire in San Bernardino County, Cal Fire said in a press release.

The fire started Saturday at 10:23 a.m. at the El Dorado Ranch Park in Yucaipa and spread from the park north on to Yucaipa Ridge, according to the release.

It has since grown to 7,050 acres as of early Monday morning, the Cal Fire incident website shows.


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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby jonesthecurl on Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:50 am

Yes, but what was the gender?
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby jimboston on Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:57 am

jonesthecurl wrote:Yes, but what was the gender?


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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby jimboston on Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:00 pm

Are you allowed to have parties in California now with Covid?
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby Dukasaur on Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:09 pm

jimboston wrote:Are you allowed to have parties in California now with Covid?


You can do anything in San Bernardino! It's not like the lowlands!
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby betiko on Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:24 pm

Forgive my fourties... but what's a gender reveal party? People dress up, then have to guess the gender of other party members... then you reveal your genitals? The winner is the one with the highest number of correct guesses?
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby Dukasaur on Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:31 pm

betiko wrote:Forgive my fourties... but what's a gender reveal party? People dress up, then have to guess the gender of other party members... then you reveal your genitals? The winner is the one with the highest number of correct guesses?

You know how annoying new parents are, doing nothing but talk about their kids, every minute of every day?

This particular American fad takes Annoying New Parent Syndrome to new lows, projecting it back in time before the moment of birth. Future Annoying New Parents assemble all their friends in a room and force them to watch ultrasound films of their contribution to overpopulation, the high point of which is when the disgusting little thing turns towards you and you can see if it has a cock or a cunt. Somewhere, Cecil B. DeMille just let out a massive groan.
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby jonesthecurl on Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:39 pm

True, but I think I'd enjoy betiko's version more.
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby Dukasaur on Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:56 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:True, but I think I'd enjoy betiko's version more.

So would I!
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby jimboston on Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:43 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
betiko wrote:Forgive my fourties... but what's a gender reveal party? People dress up, then have to guess the gender of other party members... then you reveal your genitals? The winner is the one with the highest number of correct guesses?

You know how annoying new parents are, doing nothing but talk about their kids, every minute of every day?

This particular American fad takes Annoying New Parent Syndrome to new lows, projecting it back in time before the moment of birth. Future Annoying New Parents assemble all their friends in a room and force them to watch ultrasound films of their contribution to overpopulation, the high point of which is when the disgusting little thing turns towards you and you can see if it has a cock or a cunt. Somewhere, Cecil B. DeMille just let out a massive groan.


I didn’t know ultrasounds were involved.

I thought the idea was that you had to come up with a cute trick that would somehow expose the sex of the child; like open a box and either pink or blue balloons float out, or in the case if this party some pyrotechnics that produce a pink or blue explosion or maybe generate pink or blue smoke.

Ironically this is most popular among “uber politically correct” millennials... and they call them “gender reveal”... but in actuality they are really “physiological sex reveal” parties. The uber politically correct should know the difference, yet they toss out political correctness when it comes to fun stuff involving their kids (or kids to be).

In my day gender and sex were synonymous, but that’s not true anymore.

I would think it would be considered ‘wrong’ for parents to predict and record (video) of these events that are pre-determining the gender of this future person. What happens when you have a ‘gender reveal’ for your son... and 18 years later that person decides they’re really a female stuck in a man’s body? Isn’t you posting and having video and being so happy you have a ‘son’ somewhat psychologically abusive?
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby jonesthecurl on Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:24 pm

I think the ultrasound shows the sex, then the parents tell everyone else in a "cute" way.I don't think everyone watches the ultrasound. Could be wrong, I've never been to one. Don't know what sort of crowd it's popular with for the same reason.
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby mrswdk on Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:45 pm

betiko wrote:Forgive my fourties... but what's a gender reveal party? People dress up, then have to guess the gender of other party members... then you reveal your genitals?


That's just dating in a modern European university.

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betiko wrote:Forgive my fourties... but what's a gender reveal party? People dress up, then have to guess the gender of other party members... then you reveal your genitals? The winner is the one with the highest number of correct guesses?

You know how annoying new parents are, doing nothing but talk about their kids, every minute of every day?

This particular American fad takes Annoying New Parent Syndrome to new lows, projecting it back in time before the moment of birth. Future Annoying New Parents assemble all their friends in a room and force them to watch ultrasound films of their contribution to overpopulation, the high point of which is when the disgusting little thing turns towards you and you can see if it has a cock or a cunt. Somewhere, Cecil B. DeMille just let out a massive groan.


It's quite pornographic when you think about it. These people are normalising group viewings of baby genitals for entertainment purposes.
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby betiko on Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:52 am

Well, when my ex was pregnant she didn't want the gender to be revealed, but I did. So when the gynecologist said that he knew but wouldn't tell us, that was really frustrating... so i took a pic with my phone and send it to a friend that was gynecologist and she made my gender reveal party... except that I knew and couldn't tell anybody else.. and I was giving hints. So my ex got furious and told me I didn't get to chose the name because I didn t respect her will lol.
We didn t burn any forrest though.
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby jimboston on Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:10 am

How can you determine the gender of a fetus?

You can often (not always) learn the biological sex... but isn’t gender (or lack thereof) the sum of someone’s personal sexual identity?
I didn’t think pre-born people had sexual identities.

Am I the most progressive person in the forum? Being the only one who is articulating offense at the very concept of ‘gender reveal party’ it seems so.
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby mrswdk on Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:14 am

You're offended by everything though, so that's not exactly a high benchmark.
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby betiko on Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:51 am

jimboston wrote:How can you determine the gender of a fetus?

You can often (not always) learn the biological sex... but isn’t gender (or lack thereof) the sum of someone’s personal sexual identity?
I didn’t think pre-born people had sexual identities.

Am I the most progressive person in the forum? Being the only one who is articulating offense at the very concept of ‘gender reveal party’ it seems so.


There is actually more chances that you get the sex wrong compared to get the gender identity different from the sex so it’s a moot point
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby 2dimes on Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:17 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:I think the ultrasound shows the sex, then the parents tell everyone else in a "cute" way.I don't think everyone watches the ultrasound. Could be wrong, I've never been to one. Don't know what sort of crowd it's popular with for the same reason.


I have seen a bunch of these on reality tv shows Mrs dimes likes to watch while I'm on here in the same room.

The most common way to do it is by getting the gender/sex of the fetus in a sealed envelope. Then you give that to someone who buys the pink or blue cake with neutral icing. The parents cut into the cake and then that reveals the gender of the fetus to everyone else at the party.

Some people like to get pink or blue smoke generators or fire works instead of a cake.

Like betiko seemed to suggest it is still not an exact silence and sometimes the people interpreting the ultra sound get it wrong. Almost nobody believes me when I tell them that but my in laws personally know more than one person who expected the other genitals.
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby jonesthecurl on Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:28 pm

When my daughter was in the womb, she wouldn't turn over to let us determine the answer to this question. For some while her family nickname was "Pippin", because, weak joke, Apple Turnover.
For the curlson (firstborn), we deliberately didn't ask.
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby 2dimes on Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:34 pm

We deliberately waited for both of ours to burst out naked in real life.

Back then one ultrasound technician told us they were partially basing the guess on skull size.
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:06 pm

jimboston wrote:Ironically this is most popular among “uber politically correct” millennials... and they call them “gender reveal”... but in actuality they are really “physiological sex reveal” parties. The uber politically correct should know the difference, yet they toss out political correctness when it comes to fun stuff involving their kids (or kids to be).

In my day gender and sex were synonymous, but that’s not true anymore.

I would think it would be considered ‘wrong’ for parents to predict and record (video) of these events that are pre-determining the gender of this future person. What happens when you have a ‘gender reveal’ for your son... and 18 years later that person decides they’re really a female stuck in a man’s body? Isn’t you posting and having video and being so happy you have a ‘son’ somewhat psychologically abusive?

I agree with the third paragraph but the first two are wrong.

I'm older than you are, and it has always been that sex is a biological concept whilst gender is a grammatical concept. It was true (and still is) that they usually correspond, but it's never been true that they always correspond. As languages change and evolve, the meanings of words shift over time, so the meaning of gender has shifted somewhat and the strength of the correspondence has gotten weaker, but it was never a precise and infallible substitute for biological sex.

Your first paragraph there makes the mistake of lumping all millennials together as one homogeneous mass. The types of people who force their friends to attend gender reveal parties are materialistic Yuppies. They may tend towards the liberal end of the spectrum, but not its extremes, and many of them are in fact conservative. The "uber politically correct" types that protest gender labeling tend to be gay or transsexual, and are unlikely to become parents (at least through biological methods). That both of these groups may be of the same age says nothing useful about them.
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby mrswdk on Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:57 pm

2dimes wrote:Back then one ultrasound technician told us they were partially basing the guess on skull size.


That's how my friend found out his wife was pregnant with a black child.
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby jimboston on Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:07 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
jimboston wrote:Ironically this is most popular among “uber politically correct” millennials... and they call them “gender reveal”... but in actuality they are really “physiological sex reveal” parties. The uber politically correct should know the difference, yet they toss out political correctness when it comes to fun stuff involving their kids (or kids to be).

In my day gender and sex were synonymous, but that’s not true anymore.

I would think it would be considered ‘wrong’ for parents to predict and record (video) of these events that are pre-determining the gender of this future person. What happens when you have a ‘gender reveal’ for your son... and 18 years later that person decides they’re really a female stuck in a man’s body? Isn’t you posting and having video and being so happy you have a ‘son’ somewhat psychologically abusive?

I agree with the third paragraph but the first two are wrong.

I'm older than you are, and it has always been that sex is a biological concept whilst gender is a grammatical concept. It was true (and still is) that they usually correspond, but it's never been true that they always correspond. As languages change and evolve, the meanings of words shift over time, so the meaning of gender has shifted somewhat and the strength of the correspondence has gotten weaker, but it was never a precise and infallible substitute for biological sex.

Your first paragraph there makes the mistake of lumping all millennials together as one homogeneous mass. The types of people who force their friends to attend gender reveal parties are materialistic Yuppies. They may tend towards the liberal end of the spectrum, but not its extremes, and many of them are in fact conservative. The "uber politically correct" types that protest gender labeling tend to be gay or transsexual, and are unlikely to become parents (at least through biological methods). That both of these groups may be of the same age says nothing useful about them.


I am generalizing in the first paragraph... you are correct. I’m mislabeling everyone from one generation as a certain type, which is obviously an error. That said, the ‘stereotype’ of the millennial (or perhaps slightly older Gen Z?) is the type I’m going for... and the exaggeration is intentional to make a point.

The comment about Gender/Sex being “the same” in “my time” is obviously another exaggeration to make a point. Though these terms did have different meanings 40 years ago they were used interchangeably by the general public and the vast vast majority of people in mainstream America would not have recognized or acknowledged the nuanced difference in meaning. Today there is still quite a large number of people who refuse to acknowledge a difference, though the idea that sex and gender are distinct is somewhat mainstream.

Therefore... acknowledging the terms are different these Yuppy-ish young people having these “Gender Reveal” parties are supposed to be “woke” enough that they know the name is deficient. The fact that they don’t care is bothersome.

The fact that this 50yo man... who was raised Catholic and taught that being ‘gay’ or ‘trans’ is a ‘sin’ and ‘crime against nature’... is more “woke” than these yuppie-ish types is funny.

As the MOST MIDDLE OF THE ROAD person here in these forums I find it immensely amusing when people from both sides of the political spectrum don’t recognize their actions clash with their avowed political opinions.
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby jimboston on Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:07 pm

mrswdk wrote:
2dimes wrote:Back then one ultrasound technician told us they were partially basing the guess on skull size.


That's how my friend found out his wife was pregnant with a black child.


Oh? Please explain.
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby 2dimes on Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:32 pm

I suspect he does not believe females are typically born with a smaller skull. So he is mocking ultra sound technicians that used that as a gender identifier.
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Re: Gender reveal party destroys 7k acres of forest

Postby mrswdk on Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:17 am

lol yes

Predicting a fetus's sex by looking at its skull sounds more like Lombroso's criminal man experiments in the 19th century than any modern medicine.
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