NOOOOOOO Nomad was right!!??!! Ice Age coming..?

[NomadPatriot]

October 29, 2019


Increase in Antarctic sea ice could trigger an ice age, study finds

Studying the ocean's role could help scientists understand how climate works over long time periods.


We've known for years that Earth's climate is like a giant Rube Goldberg machine: Pull one lever, and a massive chain of events starts into motion. Yet many of the steps that drive these changes have remained shrouded in uncertainty.

"One key question in the field is still what caused the Earth to periodically cycle in and out of ice ages," said Asst. Prof. Malte Jansen, whose research at the University of Chicago seeks to discover and understand the processes that make up global climate. "We are pretty confident that the carbon balance between the atmosphere and ocean must have changed, but we don't quite know how or why."

In a new study, Jansen and former UChicago postdoctoral researcher Alice Marzocchi lay out how an initial change in climate could start a chain of events that leads to an ice age. Their model shows how the increase in Antarctic sea ice in a colder climate could trigger a waterfall of changes that could contribute to tipping the global climate into glacial periods.

Responsibility (or blame) for Earth's climate is shared among land, life, atmosphere and ocean. Elements move back and forth among all four in a slow dance that has kept Earth habitable for billions of years—but can change the climate as elements build up in one or more of the locations.

For example, we're currently in a break between ice ages; for the past two-and-a-half million years, glaciers have periodically covered the Earth and then retreated. Scientists, therefore, have been piecing together clues about how this process of glaciation works and how it's triggered. It's likely that slight changes to Earth's orbit led to some cooling. But that alone wouldn't do it, Jansen said. There would have had to have been massive accompanying changes in the climate system to account for the amount of cooling that followed.


https://phys.org/news/2019-10-antarctic-sea-ice-key-triggering.html

[HitRed]

I hope no one refutes this. In before the Science War.

[jimboston]

I hope no one refutes this. In before the Science War.

This is not a new theory.

It’s possible to have Global Warming generally and rising sea levels... which triggers a regional cooling or mini ice-age in the North Atlantic.\

This has been theorized and many on this site have previously referenced these theories.

There are a lot of unknowns with possible different effects globally versus regionally.

[betiko]

I hope no one refutes this. In before the Science War.

This is not a new theory.

It’s possible to have Global Warming generally and rising sea levels... which triggers a regional cooling or mini ice-age in the North Atlantic.\

This has been theorized and many on this site have previously referenced these theories.

There are a lot of unknowns with possible different effects globally versus regionally.

His article says antartic which is quite different from north Atlántic, given that al least 80% of humanity is on the northern atmosphere.

Anyways... how funny. The article gives 4 major factors causing climate changes. One of them being LIFE. Among the living creatures on this planet... which one has the most impact on its environment ? Farting cows which methane creates holes in the protective ozone layer in the atmosphere ? Oh, that’s right... humans are the ones farming them for their own needs. What other life form can it be then?
It must be that no human activity has any impact on our planet’s climate right NP? That anything we do can’t have any consequence... people worrying about stuff are douche. The big chemical companies that give a lot of money to trump to be in office are the only ones to know the truth. The world has built a conspiracy around ecology and that we should worry about our planet. What a pile of pussies right?

[jusplay4fun]

Quoting a possibility does not refute all the evidence cited that says man-made Global Warming is happening and is real.

Notice that none of those who deny man-made Global Warming will or can refute the evidence and the data. They have totally refused to refute any of the evidence for a long time. I cannot even recall the last thread they even tried to engage and discuss the actual evidence.

They close their eyes, ears, and brains and want to SCREAM that "....man-made Global Warming is NOT happening. Do not cite me any evidence because I will ignore ALL THAT!!....because it is all FAKE NEWS.....!!!" They scream loud and use large font and color font, too. They engage in all the techniques that they accuse others of using. They even parrot the words used by others. They cannot offer anything original. They cherry-pick data to piece together an ugly mosaic of a false narrative.

Those of us who can think beyond the cursory headlines and can comprehend what we read understand the limited thinking of such individuals. They have now been limited to ad hominem attacks and throwing out some lame information about a possibility that SEEMS to deny man-made Global Warming when it actually does not. They continuously FAIL.

They must be screaming to get attention. SAD.

JP4Fun

[betiko]

i just don't understand people denying the climate change due to human activity.
What would be the agenda? just to be buzz kills?
like if you're hosting a very loud party for hours that gets more and more intense, neighbours are knocking at your door asking you to turn it down or they will call the cops.... and you have this bunch of drunken idiots telling you "no, that is fake news, no neighbour has ever knocked on the door and we are being very quiet, PEOPLE SAYING THAT WE ARE DISTURBING THE NEIGHBOURS ARE LIARS!!!"

[NomadPatriot]

Quoting a possibility does not refute

hmmmm… interesting concept...

quoting Possibilities does not refute..
but quoting Probabilities does refute ... ?

by jusplay4fun on Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:05 pm

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For those that missed (or perhaps, ignored) this evidence in other threads on this topic:

Global Warming is due to man-made activity, to greater than 95% probability.

you got to pick one Fence-Rider..

where does this thread say anything about man-made global warming...?

it's about increasing Antarctica ice indicating a notion of a coming Ice Age..

.. & the article even states
" Responsibility (or blame) for Earth's climate is shared among land, life, atmosphere and ocean."

this is a statement made by Scientists..

….. someone is a severely obsessed 1 trick pony... everything has to be about man-made global warming...

[Dukasaur]

" Responsibility (or blame) for Earth's climate is shared among land, life, atmosphere and ocean."

this is a statement made by Scientists..

….. someone is a severely obsessed 1 trick pony... everything has to be about man-made global warming...

Couple of reasons for that. First, as we've discussed many times, the natural cycles like the ones driving the Ice Ages play out over tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. There's no urgency in that. Given the normal course of events, the next Ice Age is due in what, about 8000 years or so? 6000? Plenty of time to decide how to survive that. The man-made crisis is playing out over a much shorter time scale. Disastrous events driven by climate change are here. They're happening right now. Floods in Asia and Australia of a size that used to come once every10 or 20 years are now coming every 2 or 3 years. Wildfires on our west coast of a size that used to come once every 10 or 20 years are now happening every year. We're not talking about some nebulous future. The future is already here, right now. Yes, it will get much worse, but the damage has already begun. We don't have 6000 years to plan for it. We're already in it.

Second, man-made climate change is driven, obviously enough, by things that we're doing. We can change those things. They're in our control; all we need is the will to control them. The things that drive the natural cycles, things like continental drift and the wobble of the Earth's axis, are not in our control. Yes, they're interesting to study. Yes, we should be aware of them and studying them, and maybe in some distant future we might even do something about them, but the thing we need to focus on right now is stopping the problem that we are causing.

As a final point, I'd like to point out that the whole premise of this thread is more denialist smoke-and-mirrors. Yes, the sea ice around Antarctica is increasing a bit, but the land ice actually on Antarctica is actually declining faster. Overall, there's a net loss of Antarctic ice, as the decline of the land ice is greater than the increase of the sea ice. While the latter is scientifically interesting, it in no way changes the fact that the Earth is warming, and fast.

[2dimes]

You sound like you live in 'bama Duk. It snows three centimeters and it's carnage. If it gets cold some of us will make it and the herd will thin significantly.

Doesn't matter if it takes 50,000 years to come about or happens tonight. Human nature will cause most of us to be caught under prepared. Most will be in a block of ice, "I was planning to build shelter and knit wool undies for it next year."

If civilization ever recovers to the point of reading and writing they will argue about how long ago it was and how long it took to happen.

[NomadPatriot]

As a final point, I'd like to point out that the whole premise of this thread is more denialist smoke-and-mirrors. .

posting an article written by scientists about growing sea ice possibly being a foreshadow for a coming ice age is me being a denialist...?

what exactly am I denying by posting this..?

oh.. I get it.. -.> is it just something that doesn't fit the narrative you are solely focused on pounding into everyone's head...

this thread didn't have anything to do with your man-made global warming narrative.. but you and a few others sure do want to derail it onto that topic..

I thought you and jp were constantly complaining me and others were ignoring scientific evidence .. but look who is ignoring the scientific evidence now..
ironic..
isn't it..

[2dimes]

Someone should quote me and write something bogus. Just because I'm curious about something.

[KoolBak]

Someone should quote me and write something bogus. Just because I'm curious about something.

Oh...so just because you're Canadian, you think we should all do whatever you say? Man...you're such a narcissist.


(how's that?)

[2dimes]

You are a knob. That ruins the experiment. So yeah thanks for that.

[KoolBak]

[jimboston]

His article says antartic which is quite different from north Atlántic, given that al least 80% of humanity is on the northern atmosphere.

The point being made that there are unknowns, and possible regional variations that could cause one region to warm while another cools.

Anyways... how funny. The article gives 4 major factors causing climate changes. One of them being LIFE. Among the living creatures on this planet... which one has the most impact on its environment ? Farting cows which methane creates holes in the protective ozone layer in the atmosphere ? Oh, that’s right... humans are the ones farming them for their own needs. What other life form can it be then?
It must be that no human activity has any impact on our planet’s climate right NP? That anything we do can’t have any consequence... people worrying about stuff are douche. The big chemical companies that give a lot of money to trump to be in office are the only ones to know the truth. The world has built a conspiracy around ecology and that we should worry about our planet. What a pile of pussies right?

Exactly.

Life... some impacts can be (have been) independent of human activity. Animals without natural predators can do significant damage to vast regions.

Some impacts are exacerbated by humans.

The difference between a herd of herbivores with no predators getting too large and defrosting a large swath of land, and humans polluting the environment and impacting the climate.... we’re supposed to be smart enough to know what we are doing and change our behavior.

[NomadPatriot]

His article says antartic which is quite different from north Atlántic, given that al least 80% of humanity is on the northern atmosphere.

The point being made that there are unknowns, and possible regional variations that could cause one region to warm while another cools.

Anyways... how funny. The article gives 4 major factors causing climate changes. One of them being LIFE. Among the living creatures on this planet... which one has the most impact on its environment ? Farting cows which methane creates holes in the protective ozone layer in the atmosphere ? Oh, that’s right... humans are the ones farming them for their own needs. What other life form can it be then?
It must be that no human activity has any impact on our planet’s climate right NP? That anything we do can’t have any consequence... people worrying about stuff are douche. The big chemical companies that give a lot of money to trump to be in office are the only ones to know the truth. The world has built a conspiracy around ecology and that we should worry about our planet. What a pile of pussies right?

Exactly.

Life... some impacts can be (have been) independent of human activity. Animals without natural predators can do significant damage to vast regions.

Some impacts are exacerbated by humans.

The difference between a herd of herbivores with no predators getting too large and defrosting a large swath of land, and humans polluting the environment and impacting the climate.... we’re supposed to be smart enough to know what we are doing and change our behavior.

I think you meant "Deforesting large swaths of land". not 'defrosting'.. but we can let that slide.

so if there were large herds of Herbivores deforesting large swaths of land .. I mean mass state size acreage to the point that those herds of animals were causing a significant decline in the amount of co2 being absorbed by those plants & trees the animals ate. and causing a global warming greenhouse effect... would it be the duty of humans to kill those animals in order to save the planet.. ?
it would be a 'natural cycle' that was causing the co2 to rise .. in that case...

are we as humans supposed to kill the animal life and control the planet... preventing evolution from occuring ?

to address Betiko's question directed at me.

Life is plants & animals..
and that hole in the Ozone Layer has just been recorded to be the smallest in size since it was 1st discovered..
it is shrinking..
you can thank humans for that.. right..? since everything is our fault..

[Dukasaur]

As a final point, I'd like to point out that the whole premise of this thread is more denialist smoke-and-mirrors. .

posting an article written by scientists about growing sea ice possibly being a foreshadow for a coming ice age is me being a denialist...?

what exactly am I denying by posting this..?

oh.. I get it.. -.> is it just something that doesn't fit the narrative you are solely focused on pounding into everyone's head...

this thread didn't have anything to do with your man-made global warming narrative.. but you and a few others sure do want to derail it onto that topic..

I thought you and jp were constantly complaining me and others were ignoring scientific evidence .. but look who is ignoring the scientific evidence now..
ironic..
isn't it..

Nobody's ignoring the evidence. It's well known that there is some increase in Antarctic sea ice. The smoke-and-mirrors part is where you and other denialists re-post this this imply that the Earth is getting colder and not warmer, which it isn't.

What the article talks about is how studying this phenomenon helps us understand how Ice Ages happen. It does not, in any way, imply that an Ice Age is imminent. He's talking about extrapolating from the tiny increase in sea ice we have now, and using this to understand how this would magnify the cooling effect when (not now) we have a larger growth in sea ice. That's all he's talking about, and trying to stretch it to mean that the Earth is cooling and and Ice Age is imminent is a nonsensical spin you are putting on it.

[jusplay4fun]

Your scientific evidence does not support you trying to DENY man-made Global Warming. I did not ignore the evidence; the "evidence" did not say what you alleged or intended, therefore there was NO need to challenge it. And you STILL IGNORE my overwhelming evidence, at least 95% of likelihood of linking man's activities to overall Global Warming. AGAIN, you FAIL.

My evidence beat your weak evidence everyday and Sunday, too. Again, YOU FAIL.

Do you want to try AGAIN?

JP4Fun

As a final point, I'd like to point out that the whole premise of this thread is more denialist smoke-and-mirrors. .

posting an article written by scientists about growing sea ice possibly being a foreshadow for a coming ice age is me being a denialist...?

what exactly am I denying by posting this..?

oh.. I get it.. -.> is it just something that doesn't fit the narrative you are solely focused on pounding into everyone's head...

this thread didn't have anything to do with your man-made global warming narrative.. but you and a few others sure do want to derail it onto that topic..

I thought you and jp were constantly complaining me and others were ignoring scientific evidence .. but look who is ignoring the scientific evidence now..
ironic..
isn't it..

[HitRed]

You are concerned about global warming. Be more concerned about your cold relationship with Me." - God

[riskllama]

You are concerned about global warming. Be more concerned about your cold relationship with Me." - God

pretty sure any God has never said that in the history of humankind, HR. in fact, that's probly borderline blasphemy - you should maybe take it down, if you had plans on entering the kingdom of heaven at some point... .

[NomadPatriot]

As a final point, I'd like to point out that the whole premise of this thread is more denialist smoke-and-mirrors. .

posting an article written by scientists about growing sea ice possibly being a foreshadow for a coming ice age is me being a denialist...?

what exactly am I denying by posting this..?

oh.. I get it.. -.> is it just something that doesn't fit the narrative you are solely focused on pounding into everyone's head...

this thread didn't have anything to do with your man-made global warming narrative.. but you and a few others sure do want to derail it onto that topic..

I thought you and jp were constantly complaining me and others were ignoring scientific evidence .. but look who is ignoring the scientific evidence now..
ironic..
isn't it..

Nobody's ignoring the evidence. It's well known that there is some increase in Antarctic sea ice. The smoke-and-mirrors part is where you and other denialists re-post this this imply that the Earth is getting colder and not warmer, which it isn't.

What the article talks about is how studying this phenomenon helps us understand how Ice Ages happen. It does not, in any way, imply that an Ice Age is imminent. He's talking about extrapolating from the tiny increase in sea ice we have now, and using this to understand how this would magnify the cooling effect when (not now) we have a larger growth in sea ice. That's all he's talking about, and trying to stretch it to mean that the Earth is cooling and and Ice Age is imminent is a nonsensical spin you are putting on it.

hmmm. seems .. ONCE AGAIN ducky you accuse me of saying something I didn't..

I posted the article..

the article notes that the increase in Sea Ice could Trigger an Ice Age.

I asked questions in the title of the thread pertaining to the articles inference of an ice age coming...

quote me saying an ice age is imminent like you accuse me of suggesting or that the earth is cooling

quote this nonsensical spin you claim I put on it..

oh wait.. once again .. you cannot..

because like usual . you are just full of sh*t... spitting out accusations about me you cannot back-up with quotes...

[NomadPatriot]

I did not ignore the evidence; the "evidence" did not say what you alleged or intended, therefore there was NO need to challenge it.

what exactly did I allege or intend it to say..??

quote me alleging or intending it to say anything..

oh wait.. just like Ducky. you cannot..

( this coming from someone who doesn't include Sunday in 'everyday'... )

[jimboston]

*sigh*

[jusplay4fun]

NO, MADp was WRONG again, as evidenced and logically debated in this forum by at least TWO individuals.

MADp is so myopic that he cannot see beyond his nose. ANOTHER EPIC FAILURE by MADp; hence, I call him MADp.

I think it is time to no longer respond to this IDIOT. JIM-B; it is time to impose the BAN AGAIN. Time to ignore this FOOL.

I will; I had my FUN proving how FOOLISH he is. PERIOD.

QED.

JP4Fun

[Dukasaur]

As a final point, I'd like to point out that the whole premise of this thread is more denialist smoke-and-mirrors. .

posting an article written by scientists about growing sea ice possibly being a foreshadow for a coming ice age is me being a denialist...?

what exactly am I denying by posting this..?

oh.. I get it.. -.> is it just something that doesn't fit the narrative you are solely focused on pounding into everyone's head...

this thread didn't have anything to do with your man-made global warming narrative.. but you and a few others sure do want to derail it onto that topic..

I thought you and jp were constantly complaining me and others were ignoring scientific evidence .. but look who is ignoring the scientific evidence now..
ironic..
isn't it..

Nobody's ignoring the evidence. It's well known that there is some increase in Antarctic sea ice. The smoke-and-mirrors part is where you and other denialists re-post this this imply that the Earth is getting colder and not warmer, which it isn't.

What the article talks about is how studying this phenomenon helps us understand how Ice Ages happen. It does not, in any way, imply that an Ice Age is imminent. He's talking about extrapolating from the tiny increase in sea ice we have now, and using this to understand how this would magnify the cooling effect when (not now) we have a larger growth in sea ice. That's all he's talking about, and trying to stretch it to mean that the Earth is cooling and and Ice Age is imminent is a nonsensical spin you are putting on it.

hmmm. seems .. ONCE AGAIN ducky you accuse me of saying something I didn't..

I posted the article..

the article notes that the increase in Sea Ice could Trigger an Ice Age.

I asked questions in the title of the thread pertaining to the articles inference of an ice age coming...

quote me saying an ice age is imminent like you accuse me of suggesting or that the earth is cooling

quote this nonsensical spin you claim I put on it..

oh wait.. once again .. you cannot..

because like usual . you are just full of sh*t... spitting out accusations about me you cannot back-up with quotes...

This gimmick is getting old. Actually, it was old the first time you used it.

A statement doesn't become a question just because you throw a question mark on the end of it. Context matters. It's sort of like those legal disclaimers, "the following program does not reflect the actual views of this station." Nobody takes them seriously, except lawyers, who are paid to ignore the obvious.

The headline is "Nomad was right! Ice Age coming". It's obviously an assertion. Mixing in a few question marks to give yourself a smokescreen of plausible deniability doesn't fool anyone.