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The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:32 pm

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/
According to the report, 25 percent of Americans are traditional or devoted conservatives, and their views are far outside the American mainstream. Some 8 percent of Americans are progressive activists, and their views are even less typical. By contrast, the two-thirds of Americans who don’t belong to either extreme constitute an “exhausted majority.” Their members “share a sense of fatigue with our polarized national conversation, a willingness to be flexible in their political viewpoints, and a lack of voice in the national conversation.”

Most members of the “exhausted majority,” and then some, dislike political correctness. Among the general population, a full 80 percent believe that “political correctness is a problem in our country.” Even young people are uncomfortable with it, including 74 percent ages 24 to 29, and 79 percent under age 24. On this particular issue, the woke are in a clear minority across all ages.

What I've been saying for years. Allowing the PC gang to hijack the time and energy of the Left is a large part of what is keeping the Left weak. Meanwhile the corporate exploiters run rampant with no real opposition. The PC crowd needs to be told to STFU and the rest of us need to get back to dollars-and-cents issues.
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby waauw on Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:47 pm

The USA needs a third centrist party and there doesn't seem to be a better time in history for it than now.
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby spurgistan on Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:57 pm

The article never characterizes what "political correctness" is. It's a loaded term. If the article had said "should white people saying the N-word be protected speech" the numbers would be lower. If it had said "should transgendered people be allowed to go to the bathroom of their non-assigned gender, or better yet have non-gendered bathrooms available," the numbers would be better. What do you think PC is, besides a boogeyman of the right? (that was a real question, btw)

Also, pretty sure the left is pretty strong. If the system weren't irresponsibly weighted in favor of Republicans, and getting worse the more the Supreme Court is controlled by partisan Republicans, we would have a more progressive country.
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby mookiemcgee on Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:59 pm

waauw wrote:The USA needs a third centrist party and there doesn't seem to be a better time in history for it than now.


I don't know if a centrist party would last, but if it did fail it might at least have the effect of bringing at least one of the 2 parties back towards the middle.
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby Bernie Sanders on Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:09 pm

spurgistan wrote:The article never characterizes what "political correctness" is. It's a loaded term. If the article had said "should white people saying the N-word be protected speech" the numbers would be lower. If it had said "should transgendered people be allowed to go to the bathroom of their non-assigned gender, or better yet have non-gendered bathrooms available," the numbers would be better. What do you think PC is, besides a boogeyman of the right? (that was a real question, btw)

Also, pretty sure the left is pretty strong. If the system weren't irresponsibly weighted in favor of Republicans, and getting worse the more the Supreme Court is controlled by partisan Republicans, we would have a more progressive country.


I agree with Spurg... what`s is political correctness! Who defines it? Angry White People? Those who have no problem with flying Confederate Flags?

STFU! Is that politically incorrectness you are looking for Duk?
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby mookiemcgee on Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:11 pm

is this PI?

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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby Symmetry on Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:34 pm

Dukasaur wrote:https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/
According to the report, 25 percent of Americans are traditional or devoted conservatives, and their views are far outside the American mainstream. Some 8 percent of Americans are progressive activists, and their views are even less typical. By contrast, the two-thirds of Americans who don’t belong to either extreme constitute an “exhausted majority.” Their members “share a sense of fatigue with our polarized national conversation, a willingness to be flexible in their political viewpoints, and a lack of voice in the national conversation.”

Most members of the “exhausted majority,” and then some, dislike political correctness. Among the general population, a full 80 percent believe that “political correctness is a problem in our country.” Even young people are uncomfortable with it, including 74 percent ages 24 to 29, and 79 percent under age 24. On this particular issue, the woke are in a clear minority across all ages.

What I've been saying for years. Allowing the PC gang to hijack the time and energy of the Left is a large part of what is keeping the Left weak. Meanwhile the corporate exploiters run rampant with no real opposition. The PC crowd needs to be told to STFU and the rest of us need to get back to dollars-and-cents issues.


Funny definition of political correctness. You're one of the most politically correct posters here. I genuinely think you'd struggle to even post something in defence of the stuff you label PC.
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:27 am

spurgistan wrote:If the system weren't irresponsibly weighted in favor of Republicans, and getting worse the more the Supreme Court is controlled by partisan Republicans, we would have a more progressive country.


Don't worry, after we finish the new and improved 23rd census you'll never have to worry about having a PC-dreamland country again and can move onto something else, like learning how to crochet.

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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:29 am

The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit


That's like saying you like track and field, you just wish there wasn't as much running.

It's part of the package.
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby mrswdk on Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:05 am

You can't say anything these days. If Enoch Powell made his 'Rivers of Blood' speech today he'd probably be no platformed by a bunch of snowflake Gender Studies students.

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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby HitRed on Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:18 am

Anything Congree can do only treats the symptom .
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:38 am

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spurgistan wrote:The article never characterizes what "political correctness" is. It's a loaded term. If the article had said "should white people saying the N-word be protected speech" the numbers would be lower. If it had said "should transgendered people be allowed to go to the bathroom of their non-assigned gender, or better yet have non-gendered bathrooms available," the numbers would be better. What do you think PC is, besides a boogeyman of the right? (that was a real question, btw)

Also, pretty sure the left is pretty strong. If the system weren't irresponsibly weighted in favor of Republicans, and getting worse the more the Supreme Court is controlled by partisan Republicans, we would have a more progressive country.


I agree with Spurg... what`s is political correctness! Who defines it? Angry White People? Those who have no problem with flying Confederate Flags?

Did you even read the article before spouting off?
Whites are ever so slightly less likely than average to believe that political correctness is a problem in the country: 79 percent of them share this sentiment. Instead, it is Asians (82 percent), Hispanics (87 percent), and American Indians (88 percent) who are most likely to oppose political correctness.

Age, gender, and income level are also not good predictors of PC-fatigue. Being sick of PC bullshit cuts across all socioeconomic lines.


Bernie Sanders wrote:STFU! Is that politically incorrectness you are looking for Duk?

Hey, we get it. You LIKE being on the losing side. It's very liberating to be able to make any policy proposals you like without being in danger of having them adopted.

For those of us who would actually like to see some social democratic reforms in our lifetime, it seems like a good idea to divest ourselves of some bad ideas that piss off 80% of the voters.
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby Bernie Sanders on Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:21 am

Dukasaur wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:
spurgistan wrote:The article never characterizes what "political correctness" is. It's a loaded term. If the article had said "should white people saying the N-word be protected speech" the numbers would be lower. If it had said "should transgendered people be allowed to go to the bathroom of their non-assigned gender, or better yet have non-gendered bathrooms available," the numbers would be better. What do you think PC is, besides a boogeyman of the right? (that was a real question, btw)

Also, pretty sure the left is pretty strong. If the system weren't irresponsibly weighted in favor of Republicans, and getting worse the more the Supreme Court is controlled by partisan Republicans, we would have a more progressive country.


I agree with Spurg... what`s is political correctness! Who defines it? Angry White People? Those who have no problem with flying Confederate Flags?

Did you even read the article before spouting off?
Whites are ever so slightly less likely than average to believe that political correctness is a problem in the country: 79 percent of them share this sentiment. Instead, it is Asians (82 percent), Hispanics (87 percent), and American Indians (88 percent) who are most likely to oppose political correctness.

Age, gender, and income level are also not good predictors of PC-fatigue. Being sick of PC bullshit cuts across all socioeconomic lines.


Bernie Sanders wrote:STFU! Is that politically incorrectness you are looking for Duk?

Hey, we get it. You LIKE being on the losing side. It's very liberating to be able to make any policy proposals you like without being in danger of having them adopted.

For those of us who would actually like to see some social democratic reforms in our lifetime, it seems like a good idea to divest ourselves of some bad ideas that piss off 80% of the voters.


Apparently you just forgot or think the 2018 elections that saw a big move to the LEFT is just a fluke.

Now take your imaginary political correctness theories and stick them up your lily white @ss.

Trump and his spineless Trumpeteers have made it possible with their POLITICAL INCORRECTNESS for this country to finally realize that the rich don't give a fuk about your average working man.

Just fukn surprised that Duk is now waving the Confederate Flag and is dying to scream the "N" word. Well done Duk, you fooled all of us.
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby riskllama on Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:50 am

lol. epic fail, fake bern...
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:06 am

spurgistan wrote:The article never characterizes what "political correctness" is. It's a loaded term. If the article had said "should white people saying the N-word be protected speech" the numbers would be lower. If it had said "should transgendered people be allowed to go to the bathroom of their non-assigned gender, or better yet have non-gendered bathrooms available," the numbers would be better. What do you think PC is, besides a boogeyman of the right? (that was a real question, btw)

The article addresses the fact that the survey didn't provide a definition of the term. Different people define it differently, and rather than get wrapped up in hair-splitting exercises about what it is, the researchers want to have a general sense of how people feel about it.

A bogeyman of the Right? Not at all, at least, not if we understand "bogeyman" to mean something imaginary. The Right may smell an opportunity and exploit it to the fullest, but PC is a real phenomenon. People throwing tantrums because they feel you're using the wrong term to describe some group or other is a very real phenomenon. I saw it at least once a week in high school, and that was forty years ago. Things have gotten far, far worse since then.

Wild, out-of-proportion consequences for what are essentially social faux pas are a real phenomena. Should using the n-word be protected speech? No, of course not. But should someone lose their job and their livelihood because they did so? Most people would say no, that's a consequence wildly out-of-proportion to the crime. The fact that it happens with increasing regularity is seen by many as a gross over-reaction.

Predictably enough you bring up the issue of trannies and their bathroom breaks. This is a classic illustration of how liberals in America have lost ground. In my entire life, I've never met a person who lost a minute of sleep worrying about whether some tranny was unlawfully using his bathroom. And yet, watching Internet debates between left-trolls and right-trolls, you'd think it's an issue of life or death. The simple fact is, if they didn't feel a need to publicly parade and flaunt their sexuality, nobody would know or care.

For a brief time, your country achieved the perfect balance. "Don't Ask - Don't Tell." That is about as good as it gets. It's nobody's business where you stick your dick. In fact, it's nobody's business to ask if you even have a dick. It was the perfect compromise policy -- a philosophically-consistent liberal position that most conservatives could live with. But your extremist wing just couldn't leave it at that. They just had to demand not that other people would mind their own business, but that their sexuality should become everybody's business. Predictably, the overreach by your extremist wing has led to pushback by the opposite extremist wing, and everyone is worse off.

I hear it over and over and over again, from moderate liberals and moderate conservatives alike -- "Why do gays have to constantly have press conferences to announce their sexual behaviour? Do we take out newspaper ads to announce that we're hetero?" You can't just live and let live. You know people are uncomfortable with your lifestyle, but they wouldn't bother you if you didn't bother them. Yet you have to go out of your way to teabag them with announcements about your preferences. It's like the guys who drive 500 miles out of their way to find a Christian baker so they can sue him for not baking gay cakes. Why? You can't leave some poor homophobe stew in his own juices while minding his own business. You have to seek him out and create a confrontation.

I believe the survey results because they match up with my experience. I hear completely unsolicited comments about how things have gone haywire. The people I know are pretty evenly split. I know a great many conservatives and a great many liberals, and the comments I hear from both are very much the same.

spurgistan wrote:Also, pretty sure the left is pretty strong. If the system weren't irresponsibly weighted in favor of Republicans, and getting worse the more the Supreme Court is controlled by partisan Republicans, we would have a more progressive country.

Don't kid yourself. Yeah, the Republicans are really good at dirty tricks, and they do a lot of gerrymandering, yadda yadda yadda. If your support was solid none of that would matter. Your support is fragile.

I'm not saying this because I'm an enemy. I'm saying this because I'm a friend. There are millions of people in your country getting fucked over in ways that actually matter. You owe it to them to create a leftist party that is focused on issues that matter, and not on hysterical tantrums about things that most reasonable people think are a distraction at best, serious overreach at worst.
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:27 am

Bernie Sanders wrote:
Apparently you just forgot or think the 2018 elections that saw a big move to the LEFT is just a fluke.

I think it's normal and predictable that midterm elections go against the incumbent. If there was a real movement to the left, the margin of victory would have been vastly greater.

Bernie Sanders wrote:Now take your imaginary political correctness theories and stick them up your lily white @ss.

Trump and his spineless Trumpeteers have made it possible with their POLITICAL INCORRECTNESS for this country to finally realize that the rich don't give a fuk about your average working man.

Just fukn surprised that Duk is now waving the Confederate Flag and is dying to scream the "N" word. Well done Duk, you fooled all of us.

Funny, I don't feel any desire to wave that flag or scream that word.

I was hoping that some people might see the error of their ways before they get handed another humiliating defeat in 2020. Maybe not.
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby Bernie Sanders on Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:31 am

riskllama wrote:lol. epic fail, fake bern...



We can always expect the same earth shattering nothings from your keyboard. Now go back to your revolver with one bullet and wondering if your dull life is worth living....
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby riskllama on Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:37 am

well said, duk - it is getting rather tiresome.
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby spurgistan on Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:42 am

You do realize that the bathroom bills going around the United States are because of people trying to prevent people from using the bathroom, right? It's not some sort of gay pride parade in the bathroom. It's trying to force transgendered women to use the men's room, and vice versa. Also, the good team wins those fights, because most people are on the side of not forcing people into the wrong bathroom. It's just when you call it "political correctness," - which, again, minimizes that having to use the men's room as a woman (and vice versa) is more than simple semantics or word choice but actual demeaning events with consequences - that people don't like it. That's why this is a poorly conducted survey that luckily is written about in the Atlantic so nobody will hear about it.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell was opposed by just about everybody except for right-wing culture warriors. It made it harder to be gay in the armed services, which obviously affects the fighting ability of the armed forces, so most of the heads of the services wanted it gone. It was also opposed for being just plain old discrimination (straight people are allowed to talk about their sex life)
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:15 am

spurgistan wrote:You do realize that the bathroom bills going around the United States are because of people trying to prevent people from using the bathroom, right? It's not some sort of gay pride parade in the bathroom. It's trying to force transgendered women to use the men's room, and vice versa. Also, the good team wins those fights, because most people are on the side of not forcing people into the wrong bathroom. It's just when you call it "political correctness," - which, again, minimizes that having to use the men's room as a woman (and vice versa) is more than simple semantics or word choice but actual demeaning events with consequences - that people don't like it. That's why this is a poorly conducted survey that luckily is written about in the Atlantic so nobody will hear about it.

Look, if you're sitting in a restaurant and some woman on the other side of the room gets up to use the bathroom, you wouldn't spend one millisecond thinking about it. It's just a woman getting up to use the bathroom, happens around the world around fifteen billion times a day. Thinking "maybe that woman was a man five years ago" is not something that's going to enter your mind, unless you're really weird or really nosy, or unless you saw that woman on the evening news last night, spouting off about how glorious it is to be transgendered, and basically trolling those who might not be as liberated in their thinking.

So yeah, I understand those bathroom laws are being pushed by insecure religious nutcases, but what you need to understand is that those laws would be completely irrelevant if people just kept their sexuality to themselves and didn't feel the need to troll the religious nutcases and reinforce their insecurities. Not one chance in a million that Anne Lewis, who used to be Arnie Lewis, would get arrested on the way to the bathroom if she hadn't demanded that Eyewitness News cover the details of her reassignment surgery.

I just wish you would open your eyes and see what's happening. The vast majority of people are pissed off with these antics. There's real dollars-and-cents issues issues to be fought. The corporate kleptocrats are robbing the working man blind. The working man needs a real party of the left to try to recapture some of his lost earnings, but America's only party of the left is busy debating bathroom breaks instead of fighting for mandatory sick leave or something the majority of voters could use.
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby 2dimes on Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:42 am

If I were king public toilets would be in a nice small room with nothing else. Any one person can go in there. Parents can bring their babies or toddlers along for obvious reasons.

Then the sinks would be out in the open so you could shame people for not washing their hands. I don't care if you did not piss on them after you were handling your sweaty little pee pee. Wash up!

Urinals would be floor console models with little fences between them.
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby HitRed on Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:14 pm

I wouldn't use 'liberated' as I see a world full of lies.

"People try to change the truth, but it still remains the same, the truth."

People are 96-100% into materialism with no or little thought of eternal. At best we all get 90 years.
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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby spurgistan on Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:16 pm

Dukasaur wrote:I just wish you would open your eyes and see what's happening. The vast majority of people are pissed off with these antics. There's real dollars-and-cents issues issues to be fought. The corporate kleptocrats are robbing the working man blind. The working man needs a real party of the left to try to recapture some of his lost earnings, but America's only party of the left is busy debating bathroom breaks instead of fighting for mandatory sick leave or something the majority of voters could use.


... they are, though. https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ ... 309283002/ Weird how it happened once a Democratic governor got voted in. But that was probably some silent movement of centrists who just want the gays to pretend to be straight. to avoid "political correctness."

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Re: The left needs to divorce itself from PC bullshit

Postby jimboston on Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:16 pm

The Betsy Ross Flag hoopla is a perfect example of PC Gone Wild.

Why can’t I fly my 13 States Flag and/or wear some sweet Nike’s with the flag on them?
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