Political correctness and the right

by **Symmetry** on Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:42 pm

Now it's pretty obvious that you need to be anti-PC if you want to consider yourself a conservative or someone on the right. It's clearly a point of political correctness for those folk- you have to adhere to it, or you sound a bit too left or liberal, or maybe even sound like you oppose racism.

Either way, when it comes to being correct on racial politics, or any number of politics, the left seems more diverse. More open to different opinions, and the right seems more closed. More drawn to an orthodoxy.

Anyway, CC has become more conservative of late, at least going by threads, so how would you see it? It's definitely politically correct to oppose political correctness.

by **riskllama** on Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:56 pm

just more peeps to troll, sym - amirite? quit complaining... :roll:

by **Symmetry** on Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:01 pm

riskllama wrote:just more peeps to troll, sym - amirite? quit complaining...

No complaints, sorry RL, just the facts. There's not a lot of right wingers, or conservative folks who can say that they are engaged with anti-racist stuff here. They're afraid of going against their own political correctness, right?

by **TA1LGUNN3R** on Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:02 pm

sym wrote:Either way, when it comes to being correct on racial politics, or any number of politics, the left seems more diverse. More open to different opinions, and the right seems more closed.

That's a knee-slapper right there. Thanks for the laugh today, i needed it.

by **Symmetry** on Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:25 pm

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
sym wrote:Either way, when it comes to being correct on racial politics, or any number of politics, the left seems more diverse. More open to different opinions, and the right seems more closed.

That's a knee-slapper right there. Thanks for the laugh today, i needed it.

No probs, happy to help and all that. That you find the idea so absurd only supports my point, after all.

What's the diversity on the right btw?

by **HitRed** on Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:42 pm

3.7% unemployment lifts ALL boats. ALL sounds diverse to me.

by **Symmetry** on Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:55 pm

HitRed wrote:3.7% unemployment lifts ALL boats.

Thanks Obama.

by **HitRed** on Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:58 pm

Symmetry wrote:
HitRed wrote:3.7% unemployment lifts ALL boats.

Thanks Obama.

Obama spent years blaming Bush for the bad economy and then takes credit for Trumps. Sounds like a Democrat.

by **karel** on Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:40 pm

nut bag obama killed this country,trump bringing it back from the grave and beyond till they get another dem in office

by **HitRed** on Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:56 pm

4 Million off welfare since Trump took office. Tax cuts work!

by **Symmetry** on Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:54 am

HitRed wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
HitRed wrote:3.7% unemployment lifts ALL boats.

Thanks Obama.

Obama spent years blaming Bush for the bad economy and then takes credit for Trumps. Sounds like a Democrat.

It's almost as if you don't understand that Obama inherited a poor a bad economy and made it better for the next pres.

What a weird dodge.

by **karel** on Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:00 am

so did trump worse then what obama had

by **Dukasaur** on Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:22 am

karel wrote:so did trump worse then what obama had

Trump inherited an economy that was already booming. He pretty much had no problems to solve, so he set about inventing some.

I don't want to seem like I'm defending Obama, because Obama had a great opportunity to change the direction of America and pissed it away, but unquestionably Trump deserves zero credit for the economic boom. It was well under way before the election and he's just been riding it and taking the credit.

by **warmonger1981** on Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:16 am

I'm glad it only took Obama 10 years to get the economy going. Too bad it wasn't under his presidency so that he can claim credit. Luckily for Bill Clinton he was never blame for 911. It's too bad George Bush had to take all the credit for 911 instead of Bill Clinton's mistakes. You know just as well as I do that the President in office has the right to claim or deny anything under his current terms. Just as Obama claimed he inherited the worst economy ever. Remember perception can be deceived.

by **Dukasaur** on Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:37 am

warmonger1981 wrote:I'm glad it only took Obama 10 years to get the economy going. Too bad it wasn't under his presidency so that he can claim credit.

Not sure what you mean by that. The U.S. economy was definitely booming by 2011, long before the end of Obama.

warmonger1981 wrote:Luckily for Bill Clinton he was never blame for 911. It's too bad George Bush had to take all the credit for 911 instead of Bill Clinton's mistakes.

Well, if you want to get technical, you could spread the blame across every administration since FDR. The Persian Gulf was traditionally a British responsibility, but American oil companies wanted the oil for themselves. While Britain was fighting for its life in WWII, Britain's alleged ally FDR sent agents into the Persian Gulf to undermine British control, build ARAMCO, and position the U.S. as the main supervisory authority in the Gulf. If it wasn't for that, maybe the bin Laden would have been sending planes to Westminster instead of New York and Washington.

warmonger1981 wrote:You know just as well as I do that the President in office has the right to claim or deny anything under his current terms. Just as Obama claimed he inherited the worst economy ever. Remember perception can be deceived.

Anybody has the right to claim anything, and anybody else has the right to refute it. Certainly all politicians lie, including all Presidents, but Trump has raised the bar, making more false claims than anyone before him, and those false claims cry out for refutation.

by **Jdsizzleslice** on Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:49 am

Dukasaur wrote:
warmonger1981 wrote:You know just as well as I do that the President in office has the right to claim or deny anything under his current terms. Just as Obama claimed he inherited the worst economy ever. Remember perception can be deceived.

Anybody has the right to claim anything, and anybody else has the right to refute it. Certainly all politicians lie, including all Presidents, but Trump has raised the bar, making more false claims than anyone before him, and those false claims cry out for refutation.

Which false claims would those be?

Referring to the economy (in it's entirety), it generally was pretty much stagnant under Obama for more than half of his presidency. Unemployment was very high. Welfare was very high. Taxes were raised several times. The American economy may have had some growth here and there, but it definitely declined some. And don't even get me started on Obamacare, and that hot garbage...

Since Trump has taken over, he has reduced unemployment, welfare, taxes, over 4% GDP, and more. I'm not saying Trump is the savior of the United States, but we can't deny that he hasn't had a hand in growing the economy from what it was only 4-6 years ago.

by **Dukasaur** on Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:33 pm

Jdsizzleslice wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:Certainly all politicians lie, including all Presidents, but Trump has raised the bar, making more false claims than anyone before him, and those false claims cry out for refutation.

Which false claims would those be?

Here's a brief list. http://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

3084 false claims so far and more added every day.

by **riskllama** on Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:40 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
Jdsizzleslice wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:Certainly all politicians lie, including all Presidents, but Trump has raised the bar, making more false claims than anyone before him, and those false claims cry out for refutation.

Which false claims would those be?

Here's a brief list. http://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

3084 false claims so far and more added every day.

lol, was waiting for that.

by **mookiemcgee** on Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:45 pm

riskllama wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
Jdsizzleslice wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:Certainly all politicians lie, including all Presidents, but Trump has raised the bar, making more false claims than anyone before him, and those false claims cry out for refutation.

Which false claims would those be?

Here's a brief list. http://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

3084 false claims so far and more added every day.

lol, was waiting for that.

And it's worth noting these aren't things he said because he was caught off guard, or a camera caught him when he thought it was off. These were intentional false claims said in public settings and often repeated many times. I thought the mooch spoke about this very accurately recently...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-liar-scaramucci-book-white-house-truth-fake-news-interview-blue-collar-president-a8602216.html

by **spurgistan** on Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:51 pm

Jdsizzleslice wrote:Since Trump has taken over, he has reduced unemployment, welfare, taxes, over 4% GDP, and more. I'm not saying Trump is the savior of the United States, but we can't deny that he hasn't had a hand in growing the economy from what it was only 4-6 years ago.

So, I don't think real GDP growth is the same as what you said

GDP isn't a perfect stat by any means, but I'd recommend looking at the actual numbers not just what Trump tells you. The tax cuts have helped stave off a downturn for now (at the expense of a trillion dollars in the deficit but NOBODY CARES) but it's not like you can really tell when Obama leaves and Trump enters.

by **Jdsizzleslice** on Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:38 pm

mookiemcgee wrote:And it's worth noting these aren't things he said because he was caught off guard, or a camera caught him when he thought it was off. These were intentional false claims said in public settings and often repeated many times. I thought the mooch spoke about this very accurately recently...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-liar-scaramucci-book-white-house-truth-fake-news-interview-blue-collar-president-a8602216.html

Your claim is invalid.

"So they go and put a little tag-line, 'Scaramucci calls president a liar.' That's not what I was doing."

Dukasaur wrote:Here's a brief list. http://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

3084 false claims so far and more added every day.

List is unsubstantiated. Some quotes are out of context, and some quotes are opinions of Trump's rather than actual claims he made. Also,some "false claims" are false in and of themselves. However, some of these claims are true, because Trump has lied about some things, but the list should definitely be trimmed down, a lot.

I've seen this list before, many times. It's not hard to see that the author is biased against Trump. If we really want to take a look at Trump's actual fallacies, let's go with a list from an objective source, and not an author who openly hates Trump.

spurgistan wrote:So, I don't think real GDP growth is the same as what you said

GDP isn't a perfect stat by any means, but I'd recommend looking at the actual numbers not just what Trump tells you. The tax cuts have helped stave off a downturn for now (at the expense of a trillion dollars in the deficit but NOBODY CARES) but it's not like you can really tell when Obama leaves and Trump enters.

Ok sorry... 4% This past quarter...... Did you not really know what I meant?

GDP isn't perfect by itself. You're right. That's why when everything with GDP is experiencing growth, it's common logic that you would consider all of those things good things...

by **Jdsizzleslice** on Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:47 pm

Symmetry wrote:Now it's pretty obvious that you need to be anti-PC if you want to consider yourself a conservative or someone on the right. It's clearly a point of political correctness for those folk- you have to adhere to it, or you sound a bit too left or liberal, or maybe even sound like you oppose racism.

Either way, when it comes to being correct on racial politics, or any number of politics, the left seems more diverse. More open to different opinions, and the right seems more closed. More drawn to an orthodoxy.

Anyway, CC has become more conservative of late, at least going by threads, so how would you see it? It's definitely politically correct to oppose political correctness.

I don't know the political atmosphere in the UK, but here in the US, the left is definitely not a diverse side. I would say the right is more diverse, but not by much. I don't think you can really call a side "more diverse" in a way that gives any merit to an argument.

What makes a group more diverse is the unity, which both political sides in the US lack. I imagine that is what you were really trying to talk about in your original post.

by **spurgistan** on Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:52 pm

Jdsizzleslice wrote:
spurgistan wrote:So, I don't think real GDP growth is the same as what you said

GDP isn't a perfect stat by any means, but I'd recommend looking at the actual numbers not just what Trump tells you. The tax cuts have helped stave off a downturn for now (at the expense of a trillion dollars in the deficit but NOBODY CARES) but it's not like you can really tell when Obama leaves and Trump enters.

Ok sorry... 4% This past quarter...... Did you not really know what I meant?

GDP isn't perfect by itself. You're right. That's why when everything with GDP is experiencing growth, it's common logic that you would consider all of those things good things...

The reason I posted that is because having quarterly growth of 4% is not crazy. It happened several times under Obama. heck it was 5% one quarter. It's good that the economy is still expanding and picking up spare capacity it lost during the Recession. But it's been doing that for years.
Here's yearly GDP since 1990

by **karel** on Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:33 am

the right is right they follow the laws,the left dont give 2 shits about our laws...so only 1 true way to vote is rep,get the scum hating commies,socialist out of our country,almost forgot,was not half of hollywood going to move to canada cuz trump became prez,hmm odd same douche bags still here,so guess trumps tax plan and jobs is working,i would still kick them the hell out