Net Neutraility and You

[DirtyDishSoap]

Surprised no one here has been up in arms about the net neutrality being repealed by Pai, a former Verizon head honcho, now leading the FCC.
Tis a sad day when providers can outright throttle or block access to a site if it deems to be a competitor with no repercussion.

[Skoffin]

They are all quiet because, while they don't like it, they feel obligated to follow party lines.

[waauw]

Saxi and co are big supporters of Trump, and hence are big supporters of getting rid of net neutrality. After all, it was only Obama who was pro-net neutrality.
Have fun over there! With your corporate imposed censorship.

[Bernie Sanders]

Saxi and co are big supporters of Trump, and hence are big supporters of getting rid of net neutrality. After all, it was only Obama who was pro-net neutrality.
Have fun over there! With your corporate imposed censorship.

The outright taker over of the United States by the billionaires is almost complete. Shame on the Republican Party, the party that defends pedophiles.

[KoolBak]

Damn, BS.....your dementia is really becoming a problem. I'm sorry.

I believe this is a good thing and no one will notice any difference. Be interested to see an actual example of a detriment pointed out, not the two sides' bullshit posturing. We're all (well, mostly?) adults capable of doing the simple research and reading about this.

But I am sure we shall still hear about pedophiles from the infirm.....

[waauw]

I believe this is a good thing and no one will notice any difference. Be interested to see an actual example of a detriment pointed out, not the two sides' bullshit posturing. We're all (well, mostly?) adults capable of doing the simple research and reading about this.

Your constitution disallows an elected government of implementing censorship, but for some reason you think it's alright to let unelected corporate leaders to do so? USA truely has turned into a corporatocracy.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Damn, BS.....your dementia is really becoming a problem. I'm sorry.

I believe this is a good thing and no one will notice any difference. Be interested to see an actual example of a detriment pointed out, not the two sides' bullshit posturing. We're all (well, mostly?) adults capable of doing the simple research and reading about this.

But I am sure we shall still hear about pedophiles from the infirm.....

Sorry KB, but this is a step backwards from basic freedoms that we've enjoyed for a few years now in terms of a somewhat more fair use internet. There's several issues with repealing net neutrality.
1. Instead of treating broadband and data has one set rule that everyone uses, it will now become a game of ransom. Small time businesses that are trying to get their brand or name out via web will not be able to afford the price to an ISP to effectively have their site load, if at all. Sites like Google, Amazon, Facebook will be able to afford this, but I don't know if CC will be able to afford the cost, or if CC's cost will change. I can break this down further by saying that imagine a freeway vs a back country road. Can you afford the freeway costs? No? You're taking the back country road with everyone else.

2. Prepare to have sites outright blocked dependent on your service provider. There's been several cases in the past where service providers have attempted to block or redirect traffic to other sites. Usually they're caught and the FCC immediately fines them hundreds of thousands, so the incentive to do it wasn't great. There's also the case of throttling sites against competition. So lets say your freeway that you're putting a pretty penny now has a car pile up because you wanted to merge right to look at boobies. Now it'll take you ages to look at said boobies because the provider doesn't like boobs.
Repealing net neutrality is basically giving the internet service providers a gun to the consumers head.

3. Freedom of press: Remember how disastrous this election was? Imagine if you never could get your hands on the information of a candidate. Imagine if Google was being paid under the table by Hillary to keep the Benghazi scandal as tightly shut as possible. This is almost the direct death of small independent news outlets that want to get their word out with their own reporting. I suppose on the flip side, Infowars would take a dive, but ultimately, I would rather have everyone have the same basic freedoms of the net, rather than have corporations dictate on what we can see, do and read with a service we're paying for.

These are things that will probably not happen over night, but give it time, and I can guarantee you, it'll be soon, the changes will be felt within the next year. These service providers are probably holding meetings as I type this "How big of a dick can I shove up my customers ass?".

[patches70]

Lemme hear, DDS, about how bad it was for you way back in 2014. Tell me your personal experiences of being throttled, unable to get to the websites you wanted to go to, and all the other horror stories you say are about to happen because Net Neutrality is being repealed.Tell me exactly how you were getting shafted back in 2014 and from 2015-2017 you've had green grass and high tides instead of the shaft.

Tell me how putting the entire internet under the auspices and authority of the FCC is supposed to be better than the internet of 2014. The FCC is so good at it's job and they can certainly be trusted, right? The government is great at running things after all.

Tell us about how those greedy corporations were shafting you so badly back in 2014 and how they got put in their place and did right by you finally in 2015.


Yet another example of first world problems. "Oh noesssss! The corporations are going to destroy my interwebz experiences now! Ohh lordy please, government, please save me from dem nasty ole' corporations!"
The starving kid in Ethiopia is just shaking his head as he's digging through garbage just to find enough food to eat to survive another day. Or a civilian in some third world shithole who's internet was long ago bombed away is wondering if the next American made bomb is going to land on his house.

Surprised no one here has been up in arms about the net neutrality being repealed

Because, no one can point to how bad things were before net neutrality as opposed to how good things supposedly got after net neutrality. Net neutrality was a solution that wouldn't work to a problem that didn't exist.

[Dukasaur]

Lemme hear, DDS, about how bad it was for you way back in 2014. Tell me your personal experiences of being throttled, unable to get to the websites you wanted to go to, and all the other horror stories you say are about to happen because Net Neutrality is being repealed.Tell me exactly how you were getting shafted back in 2014 and from 2015-2017 you've had green grass and high tides instead of the shaft.

Tell me how putting the entire internet under the auspices and authority of the FCC is supposed to be better than the internet of 2014. The FCC is so good at it's job and they can certainly be trusted, right? The government is great at running things after all.

Tell us about how those greedy corporations were shafting you so badly back in 2014 and how they got put in their place and did right by you finally in 2015.


Yet another example of first world problems. "Oh noesssss! The corporations are going to destroy my interwebz experiences now! Ohh lordy please, government, please save me from dem nasty ole' corporations!"
The starving kid in Ethiopia is just shaking his head as he's digging through garbage just to find enough food to eat to survive another day. Or a civilian in some third world shithole who's internet was long ago bombed away is wondering if the next American made bomb is going to land on his house.

Surprised no one here has been up in arms about the net neutrality being repealed

Because, no one can point to how bad things were before net neutrality as opposed to how good things supposedly got after net neutrality. Net neutrality was a solution that wouldn't work to a problem that didn't exist.

I don't think it was around long enough for the benefits to be felt. All I can do is point to the very similar story in telephone bills.

Back when Bell Canada was allowed to discriminate and charge other carriers discriminatory prices, it was able to leverage that power into keeping other carriers small and insignificant. Although there was theoretically competition, in fact all the "competitors" were just losing money for their investors to try to break into a market that couldn't be broken into in any meaningful fashion. Only when the government forced Bell to level the playing field and charge other carriers the same price to use its trunk lines that it charged its own companies, did the competition become real instead of illusory.

Now it's something like 20 or 30 years later and we have really cheap phones, but it didn't happen overnight. Prices went up at first before they came down. Markets take time to reflect new realities.

I think if you had kept Net Neutrality, you would have in the long run seen major cost savings and improvements in service. I guess now we'll never know.

[riskllama]

yeah, KB - as a small business owner, you should not be happy a bout this at all.

[saxitoxin]

only a prob if there's only one ISP

As long as there are two or more ISPs, each will always be incentivized by market forces to offer the broadest range of benefits, which means access. There are more than 7,000 ISPs in the U.S., and the cost to establish an ISP - due to favorable tax and regulatory structures - is relatively minimal. You will never have a problem finding an ISP who offers full and complete access. Only in a tiny and insignificant country like Belgium, which has just 60 ISPs and has a high barrier to entry, would this be a problem.

Support for net neutrality was largely funded by Netflix, a Fortune 500 company. About 1/3 of all internet traffic is currently generated by Netflix, putting a huge strain on the system. The billionaires who own Netflix want net neutrality because they know - once it goes away - that ISPs will start demanding Netflix gives them a cut of their profits in order to maintain access. The very term "net neutrality" is invented by the Netflix Corporation's ad agencies to make it sound altruistic. It should be called "Netflix corporate welfare." President Trump's Federal Communications Commission never abolished "net neutrality," it abolished "Netflix corporate welfare."

ANOTHER WIN FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP. STRENGTH THROUGH UNITY, UNITY THROUGH TRUMP.

[tzor]

Surprised no one here has been up in arms about the net neutrality being repealed by Pai, a former Verizon head honcho, now leading the FCC.
Tis a sad day when providers can outright throttle or block access to a site if it deems to be a competitor with no repercussion.

Sounds like another nice pile of manure if you ask me. Net neutrality is dead. Long live the internet.

You may be confused. It is a day after the FCC voted 3-2 to end net neutrality rules, and the world has not ended. Nor has the internet. Spoiler alert: Ending net neutrality isn’t going to have any effect on your life at all.

By now you’ve seen posts in your Facebook feed from your liberal friends, and even some of your not-liberal friends buying into the notion that net neutrality being gone is going to kill the internet.

The posts that say the evil internet corporations are going to throttle certain websites and are going to say you can only see content they approve of. Some also say removing government regulation will make it hard to create an internet business. None of this is true. None of these apocalyptic things are really going to happen.

Then there is the fact that the market will sort itself out. It always does. Like with airlines, and the beer industry pre-deregulation, more regulation actually means that fewer participants will get offered service. This is because they all have to offer the exact same service based upon what the government says. Regulation always results in fewer choices, and subpar service.

You are already seeing this in the mobile internet industry. T-Mobile (which I use) began offering unlimited data and unlimited video, all at a set price. Then to compete, Verizon, and AT&T, and Sprint, had to start offering unlimited data plans again.

You may remember a year and a half ago, Verizon was trying to kick people off of grandfathered unlimited data plans based on usage. Now they all offer them, because T-Mobile disrupted the space. That's going to happen with your home internet as well.

Don’t be afraid of a post-net neutrality internet. That’s what existed for most of its history. The history that saw the rise of Google, Facebook, YouTube, Netflix, Amazon Prime, and a host of other disruptors. Just like before 2015, when the net neutrality regulatory scheme began, the free market will solve any issues that arise. It always does.

[mookiemcgee]

Surprised no one here has been up in arms about the net neutrality being repealed by Pai, a former Verizon head honcho, now leading the FCC.
Tis a sad day when providers can outright throttle or block access to a site if it deems to be a competitor with no repercussion.

It's almost like the swap was drained, so we could start using it as our drinking water.

[DoomYoshi]

only a prob if there's only one ISP

As long as there are two or more ISPs, each will always be incentivized by market forces to offer the broadest range of benefits, which means access. There are more than 7,000 ISPs in the U.S., and the cost to establish an ISP - due to favorable tax and regulatory structures - is relatively minimal. You will never have a problem finding an ISP who offers full and complete access. Only in a tiny and insignificant country like Belgium, which has just 60 ISPs and has a high barrier to entry, would this be a problem.

Support for net neutrality was largely funded by Netflix, a Fortune 500 company. About 1/3 of all internet traffic is currently generated by Netflix, putting a huge strain on the system. The billionaires who own Netflix want net neutrality because they know - once it goes away - that ISPs will start demanding Netflix gives them a cut of their profits in order to maintain access. The very term "net neutrality" is invented by the Netflix Corporation's ad agencies to make it sound altruistic. It should be called "Netflix corporate welfare." President Trump's Federal Communications Commission never abolished "net neutrality," it abolished "Netflix corporate welfare."

It's not something I'm willing to trust the free market for. Before too long there will only be a handful of ISPs left, and they will probably all collude together to keep internet expensive.

[Skoffin]

Oh, so we actually are all going to pretend that no ISP has ever throttled a competitor or something they disagreed with? Well okay then.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Lemme hear, DDS, about how bad it was for you way back in 2014. Tell me your personal experiences of being throttled, unable to get to the websites you wanted to go to, and all the other horror stories you say are about to happen because Net Neutrality is being repealed.Tell me exactly how you were getting shafted back in 2014 and from 2015-2017 you've had green grass and high tides instead of the shaft.

Back in '14 I was struggling with a lot of personal issues, lets just say I couldn't afford anything, much less internet.
'16 is when I attended the illustrious ITT Technical Institute when it flopped. My only source of income was the GI bill so once again, threatened to become homeless. I haven't exactly had an easy life after the military. Partly my fault, but oh well. 17's been a great year for me only because I've been enjoying a lot more freedoms that I didn't have earlier.
Before any of that, mixed with the military and the deployments, I can soundly say when I did live in the barracks for those brief moments and having been a Comcast customer, my service was regularly throttled. Perhaps being roomed with hundreds of others in one building played a significant part, but it's a pretty clear cut case of throwing everyone in the back country road. Most of the time it's been a cluster f*ck. At least now, my service has been wonderful, and I'm not using a ethernet cable like I was previously.
Upon leaving in '13, Comcast tried to bill me for $400 for a service I never used or bought or even wanted. Cable. I rarely watch anything on the TV, I just wanted internet. Didn't pay them a dime.

Tell me how putting the entire internet under the auspices and authority of the FCC is supposed to be better than the internet of 2014. The FCC is so good at it's job and they can certainly be trusted, right? The government is great at running things after all.

Comedic writer critical of Apple banned from being viewed from Apple products.
http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=apple_store_ban

Because what's the best way to silence a critic? Block them from being seen or heard from. Sounds great right? 2013

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/186576-verizon-caught-throttling-netflix-traffic-even-after-its-pays-for-more-bandwidth
2014 caught for throttling. What was done? Nothing.

The system is obviously not perfect. Clearly. However, the idea of Net Neutrality was meant to keep these providers from conducting shitty business practices.

Yet another example of first world problems. "Oh noesssss! The corporations are going to destroy my interwebz experiences now! Ohh lordy please, government, please save me from dem nasty ole' corporations!"
The starving kid in Ethiopia is just shaking his head as he's digging through garbage just to find enough food to eat to survive another day. Or a civilian in some third world shithole who's internet was long ago bombed away is wondering if the next American made bomb is going to land on his house.

Why is it goofs like you that can't find more of a valid argument turn to this stupid moral high ground? What exactly did you do? Did you solve world hunger? No? Well, you should probably shut the f*ck up. Did you adopt anyone from these countries to give them a better life? No? Well you should probably shut the f*ck up. Why even use this argument? It's basically saying "Eat your food! Starving children in Africa could eat this!". Meanwhile, here you are, using this timeless argument when those same people are still starving. Good for you, Moral Jesus, glad you're riding that high horse into the sunset to let us know how bad we are for being part of a modern world where society has evolved into making life has comfortable and easy as possible.
Anyone who typically uses this argument is usually a hypocrite on some varying level.

On another note, corporations wouldn't destroy the internet, the idea is that the rich would be able to utilize it and control what we can see do and hear, which is what my original argument was.
It was meant to be treated as a utility and not some patented item, because guess what! We rely heavily on the internet now for basic communications.

Surprised no one here has been up in arms about the net neutrality being repealed

Because, no one can point to how bad things were before net neutrality as opposed to how good things supposedly got after net neutrality. Net neutrality was a solution that wouldn't work to a problem that didn't exist.[/quote]

Duk already tackled this part.

[notyou2]

Damn, BS.....your dementia is really becoming a problem. I'm sorry.

I believe this is a good thing and no one will notice any difference. Be interested to see an actual example of a detriment pointed out, not the two sides' bullshit posturing. We're all (well, mostly?) adults capable of doing the simple research and reading about this.

But I am sure we shall still hear about pedophiles from the infirm.....

Not sure why you feel corporations being able to slow or censor access to sites is a good thing.

[saxitoxin]

Damn, BS.....your dementia is really becoming a problem. I'm sorry.

I believe this is a good thing and no one will notice any difference. Be interested to see an actual example of a detriment pointed out, not the two sides' bullshit posturing. We're all (well, mostly?) adults capable of doing the simple research and reading about this.

But I am sure we shall still hear about pedophiles from the infirm.....

Not sure why you feel corporations being able to slow or censor access to sites is a good thing.

corporations can build a poop catapult; they don't because it doesn't make business sense just like it doesn't make business sense to slow the internet

Why do you support corporate welfare for Netflix, Inc. (NASDAQ: NFLX) and their multi-billionaire CEO Reed Hastings?

Reed Hastings supported Hillary Clinton for president and now is going to have to pay the piper to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars in stock devaluation. Good. We have an entire thread about this called "Clinton Supporters Learn there are Consequences."

[DirtyDishSoap]

That's an outright lie. Providers have in the past slowed and throttled their customers or competition. Verizon vs Netflix. Comcast vs Pretty much everyone. You need only look.

[saxitoxin]

That's an outright lie. Providers have in the past slowed and throttled their customers or competition. Verizon vs Netflix. Comcast vs Pretty much everyone. You need only look.

just download the porn in standard def instead of high-bandwidth HD; it all ends the same way

[DirtyDishSoap]

DON'T TELL ME HOW TO ENJOY MY PORN!

[saxitoxin]

DON'T TELL ME HOW TO ENJOY MY PORN!

ILL TELL YOU AND YOULL DO IT JACKWAGON

[KoolBak]

That's an outright lie. Providers have in the past slowed and throttled their customers or competition. Verizon vs Netflix. Comcast vs Pretty much everyone. You need only look.

I hate arguing over useless bullshit, like religion, politics, gun control, corporate power....blah blah blah. Sustaining a 30 year marriage and raising well rounded children is what fucking motivates me (I know that pisses someone here right the f*ck off....Bernie?? Cant recall...anyway....) one more post.

You opponents and "corporation haters" ( ) are spewing this fucking idiocy of throttling and censorship. None of that shit you reference, for instance, can be proven Punk-Boy. Conspiracy theory at best. I need only look? WTF, over? Out the window?

The only thing you may notice, and again, I don't know how it can be proven, is youtube may stream better cause they pay for it.

Say I buy a Kia.....well the corporations are throttling my fucking access to a good car, cause I want a fucking Benz (but I wanna pay Kia money). You ALWYAS get what you pay for. Capitalism. I pay $35 a month to the fuckers at Centurylink (who I HATE with a passion for fucking me for almost 30 years) but, aside from comcast, who are bigger thieves (way before any neutrality bullshit), they are the only game in town. And my internet sucks. Help! I'm throttled!!! Waaaaa. It's reality.

Thats what friends and beer and family and work and truck projects and new guns are for dammit. Fucking argiung bullshit......have fun guys....gonna take my crappy internet and make some coffee (not tea, dammit!)

[DirtyDishSoap]

I hate arguing over useless bullshit, like religion, politics, gun control, corporate power....blah blah blah. Sustaining a 30 year marriage and raising well rounded children is what fucking motivates me (I know that pisses someone here right the f*ck off....Bernie?? Cant recall...anyway....) one more post.

It's important to me because I hate the idea of censorship. I hate the idea more that we go back to the days where Comcast dominated the cable market and you were forced to choose between shitty internet, or shell out a couple hundred more for some decent bandwidth, even though they throttled the connection at peak hours.

You opponents and "corporation haters" ( ) are spewing this fucking idiocy of throttling and censorship. None of that shit you reference, for instance, can be proven Punk-Boy. Conspiracy theory at best. I need only look? WTF, over? Out the window?

The only thing you may notice, and again, I don't know how it can be proven, is youtube may stream better cause they pay for it.

Wait what? Did you even see that Apple black listed a critic? To the point where he basically didn't exist? Meanwhile, you can google the KKK just fine. None of that remotely bothers you? That's only 4 years ago, before Title 2 being introduced.

https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/
What about this? I'm sure a vast majority of people enjoy Netflix, however, if Netflix is getting throttled, guess they'll have to turn to the company that's strong arming them into giving them more money. People have to suffer through shitty service until then.

Listen man, I'm not trying to argue with you that maybe nothing would happen, but corporate greed is in play here. The FCC is ran by someone who use to be one of Verizons poster boys, and Verizon has throttled services like Netflix and customers numerous times.

Say I buy a Kia.....well the corporations are throttling my fucking access to a good car, cause I want a fucking Benz (but I wanna pay Kia money). You ALWYAS get what you pay for. Capitalism. I pay $35 a month to the fuckers at Centurylink (who I HATE with a passion for fucking me for almost 30 years) but, aside from comcast, who are bigger thieves (way before any neutrality bullshit), they are the only game in town. And my internet sucks. Help! I'm throttled!!! Waaaaa. It's reality.

That sucks, would you like to pay more for the same service? Because that's basically what could happen here in a relatively short amount of time.

Thats what friends and beer and family and work and truck projects and new guns are for dammit. Fucking argiung bullshit......have fun guys....gonna take my crappy internet and make some coffee (not tea, dammit!)

I'm gonna go stroke my little peeni now and drink booze.

[Bernie Sanders]

I hate arguing over useless bullshit, like religion, politics, gun control, corporate power....blah blah blah. Sustaining a 30 year marriage and raising well rounded children is what fucking motivates me (I know that pisses someone here right the f*ck off....Bernie?? Cant recall...anyway....) one more post.

It's important to me because I hate the idea of censorship. I hate the idea more that we go back to the days where Comcast dominated the cable market and you were forced to choose between shitty internet, or shell out a couple hundred more for some decent bandwidth, even though they throttled the connection at peak hours.

You opponents and "corporation haters" ( ) are spewing this fucking idiocy of throttling and censorship. None of that shit you reference, for instance, can be proven Punk-Boy. Conspiracy theory at best. I need only look? WTF, over? Out the window?

The only thing you may notice, and again, I don't know how it can be proven, is youtube may stream better cause they pay for it.

Wait what? Did you even see that Apple black listed a critic? To the point where he basically didn't exist? Meanwhile, you can google the KKK just fine. None of that remotely bothers you? That's only 4 years ago, before Title 2 being introduced.

https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/
What about this? I'm sure a vast majority of people enjoy Netflix, however, if Netflix is getting throttled, guess they'll have to turn to the company that's strong arming them into giving them more money. People have to suffer through shitty service until then.

Listen man, I'm not trying to argue with you that maybe nothing would happen, but corporate greed is in play here. The FCC is ran by someone who use to be one of Verizons poster boys, and Verizon has throttled services like Netflix and customers numerous times.

Say I buy a Kia.....well the corporations are throttling my fucking access to a good car, cause I want a fucking Benz (but I wanna pay Kia money). You ALWYAS get what you pay for. Capitalism. I pay $35 a month to the fuckers at Centurylink (who I HATE with a passion for fucking me for almost 30 years) but, aside from comcast, who are bigger thieves (way before any neutrality bullshit), they are the only game in town. And my internet sucks. Help! I'm throttled!!! Waaaaa. It's reality.

That sucks, would you like to pay more for the same service? Because that's basically what could happen here in a relatively short amount of time.

Thats what friends and beer and family and work and truck projects and new guns are for dammit. Fucking argiung bullshit......have fun guys....gonna take my crappy internet and make some coffee (not tea, dammit!)

I'm gonna go stroke my little peeni now and drink booze.

OMG! I agree with DDS! Must be due to an acid flash back!