Don't cry for Argentina; they can defend themselves!

[tzor]

Argentinian coast guard sinks Chinese fishing boat

Argentinian forces opened fire on and sank a Chinese boat illegally fishing in the South Atlantic after it attempted to ram a coast guard vessel, officials said Tuesday.

The sinking comes as China expands its long-distance fishing fleet to meet surging demand for seafood, with Beijing's foreign ministry expressing "serious concern" over the incident.

This is another example of the aggressive behavior of China.

[mrswdk]

This is another example of the aggressive behavior of China.

Your description of the sinking of an unarmed fishing vessel by Argentina's militarized coastguard as 'Chinese aggressive behavior' is an excellent parody of the anti-China propaganda so heavily propagated by the US news media.

The American navy rocks up on the other side of the world in the South China Sea, sails all over the place and sends spy planes into Chinese airspace, and somehow the news reports manage to cast China as the aggressor when it tries to shoo America away. And the American public lap it up!

[tzor]

Hey we fought a war over fishing rights. (*)

show

[Bernie Sanders]

http://qz.com/408477/rogue-chinese-fishing-fleets-are-taking-advantage-of-ebola-and-pillaging-west-africas-seas/

The Chinese use slave labor on their fishing fleets and they do not respect fishing limitations. There has been many documented incidents where they'll rape the seas of any fish, whether endangered or not.

These greedy Chinese Captains need to be punished severely!

[mrswdk]

The Chinese use slave labor on their fishing fleets

I'd wait for you to provide some sort of justification for that comment, but I'm pretty sure I'll look like this before you are able to provide anything substantive:

[Bernie Sanders]

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1635144,00.html


Slave labor in China has been well documented. But, providing proof to a troll like you is a waste of time.

[mrswdk]

A 9-year old article about the Chinese police busting a small people trafficking operation = proof that 'the Chinese' use slave labor on their fishing fleets

Another slam dunk from the artist formerly known as a presidential candidate!

[GabonX]

A 9-year old article about the Chinese police busting a small people trafficking operation = proof that 'the Chinese' use slave labor on their fishing fleets

Another slam dunk from the artist formerly known as a presidential candidate!

It's kind of like saying "the afghani people abuse women and children." It's well established that there are major societal problems with abuse of women and children in Afghanistan even if the Government's official stance is against it.

[Bernie Sanders]

mrswdk loves his Chinese background, so he protects the lies of the Communist Party.

[mrswdk]

A 9-year old article about the Chinese police busting a small people trafficking operation = proof that 'the Chinese' use slave labor on their fishing fleets

Another slam dunk from the artist formerly known as a presidential candidate!

It's kind of like saying "the afghani people abuse women and children." It's well established that there are major societal problems with abuse of women and children in Afghanistan even if the Government's official stance is against it.

And yet when asked, Bernie was unable to produce any actual evidence supporting his statement.

[GabonX]

He posted a link. You must have missed it. This is the article:

Slave Labor in China Sparks Outrage



The furor in China surrounding the discovery that children and the mentally handicapped had been kidnapped and sold into slavery is showing no sign of abating. It seems increasingly likely that the controversy will mark a significant milestone in the evolution of the country's civil society. Police said they had rescued more than 500 people from forced labor in brick kilns, where they were worked 18 hours a day and beaten if they tried to escape. Some 30 arrests have been made and more are expected following a massive police rescue operation involving 35,000 officers checking 7,500 work places.

The crackdown began after some 400 parents of children who they suspected had been kidnapped published an anguished letter on the popular Internet forum Tianya Club on June 7. The letter said they had managed to rescue some 40 children before running into stiff resistance from the local authorities in the northeastern province of Shanxi, where most of the kilns were situated. The letter sparked a storm on the Internet, and by June 13 a member of the Standing Committee of the Politburo of the Chinese Communist Party expressed concern about the issue. The police action soon followed.

Populist criticism on the Internet has been at the forefront of the outrage — and may be a harbinger for how grassroots protests are heard by Chinese authorities in the future. As is often the case, coverage of the incident has been gently moved off the front pages of Chinese newspapers. Nevertheless, the subject is still a hot topic on Chinese websites, where much of criticism was directed at the authorities for failing to intervene to stop the human trafficking and enslavement of the brick kiln workers. Even in usually docile official publication like the English language China Daily, the sense of shock and outrage many Chinese felt on seeing footage and pictures of the dazed, sometimes bleeding workers being led out of the kilns was evident, even if relegated to op-ed pages.

"None of the synonyms for 'anger' is strong enough to express the public's fury," wrote columnist Liu Shinan. "I want to ask: What were local government officials doing when the children and other workers were tormented?" Liu also noted that "nobody would believe that such atrocities... are happening in today's China — 58 years after the Communist Party-led revolution put an end to the old society." Another columnist in the same paper praised the role of a provincial newspaper reporter in exposing the slave trade and argued that China needed more investigative journalism.

Such criticism of the authorities and calls for a greater watchdog role by the tightly controlled media reflects the extent of shock many Chinese feel at the gruesome revelations. But it also shows the way the party is being forced to offer some accountability to a citizenry that is increasingly affluent and unwilling to accept that they have no ability to counter the arbitrary power of the state. The party leadership recognizes that it must adapt to the changing attitudes or risk losing control. "There is room to maneuver and the party is willing to negotiate so long as there is no challenge to its authority," says Nicholas Bequelin, a China researcher for Human Rights Watch.

For both sides, figuring out the limits of the evolving relationship between China's rulers and its people is clearly a work in process. The slavery controversy culminates a month that has seen a string of incidents demonstrating the different ways the authorities choose to handle controversial issues. For several days in early June, for example, thousands of mostly middle-class protesters filled the center of the coastal city of Xiamen. They were calling for the government to cancel plans to build a chemical factory in a city suburb. Though the authorities didn't attempt to stop the highly unusual protests, they later called for participants to report to police stations and officers tracked down a number of demonstrators who had been photographed at the scene. Yet the government subsequently announced that it would suspend the project and the State Environmental Protection Administration in Beijing said the Xiamen government should reconsider.

The other incidents ranged from violent demonstrations against forced abortions and police brutality to an anti-pollution protest that took place entirely online. All were fueled because of the Internet, and in particular the country's 20 million-strong bloggers. Says Bequelin, of the possibility for change in China: "The role of the Internet is the one aspect of the kiln story that made me optimistic."

http://content.time.com/time/world/arti ... 44,00.html

[mrswdk]

And I already explained why that article is irrelevant, which I know you saw because you quoted my post in its entirety.

By all means, keep copy-pasting the same response in the hope it eventually becomes valid though!

[Bernie Sanders]

And I already explained why that article is irrelevant, which I know you saw because you quoted my post in its entirety.

By all means, keep copy-pasting the same response in the hope it eventually becomes valid though!

Don't you ever tire of being a moronic troll?

[mrswdk]

Trying to win a debate by accusing your opponent of being a troll has got to be the new Godwin's Law, surely?

[Bernie Sanders]

Trying to win a debate by accusing your opponent of being a troll has got to be the new Godwin's Law, surely?

You just try fruitlessly to protect an tyrannical regime that imprisons, torture, enslave and controls it's citizens by any means.

I wish I could reach through your computer screen and bend you over for a good long spanking.

[GabonX]

And I already explained why that article is irrelevant, which I know you saw because you quoted my post in its entirety.

By all means, keep copy-pasting the same response in the hope it eventually becomes valid though!

All right, let's back up. You said:

A 9-year old article about the Chinese police busting a small people trafficking operation = proof that 'the Chinese' use slave labor on their fishing fleets

Another slam dunk from the artist formerly known as a presidential candidate!

This totally mischaracterizes the article, as it wasn't just about "the Chinese police busting a small people trafficking operation." The article was describing the problem as endemic in Chinese society and used specific examples to illustrate said problem, which was so extensive that in just the initial crack down the Chinese government had to mobilize "35,000 officers checking 7,500 work places." That's not a small operation, considering particularly that it was just an initial deployment.

If you're really unaware of this problem, which is common knowledge, you can browse the links from the searches below:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=china+sweatshops
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=china+slavery

I mean come on... The first line of the wikipedia article titled "Slavery in China" is "Slavery in history affected, and continues to affect, millions in China."

This isn't something you can hide in countries whose government doesn't subject the population to an internet filter.

[mrswdk]

The point is that, given the way phrases such as 'the Chinese' or 'the Americans' are usually used and the way that the Berninator called for China to be sanctioned, I had assumed he was suggesting the Chinese government uses slave labor on fishing vessels, so I was contesting that point.

If instead of 'the Chinese use slave labor on their fishing boats' he had actually said 'slavery exists in China', then he would have been making a correct if totally irrelevant point.

So he was either making stuff up or spouting non sequitur, neither of which is surprising. Clinton 2016!

[TA1LGUNN3R]

This is another example of the aggressive behavior of China.

Your description of the sinking of an unarmed fishing vessel by Argentina's militarized coastguard as 'Chinese aggressive behavior' is an excellent parody of the anti-China propaganda so heavily propagated by the US news media.

The American navy rocks up on the other side of the world in the South China Sea, sails all over the place and sends spy planes into Chinese airspace, and somehow the news reports manage to cast China as the aggressor when it tries to shoo America away. And the American public lap it up!

Not your best dodge. 3/10

-TG

[AndyDufresne]

China good! Other countries bad!

--Andy

[Symmetry]

Trying to win a debate by accusing your opponent of being a troll has got to be the new Godwin's Law, surely?

I don't think you understand what Godwin's Law is.

[saxitoxin]

HELL YES!

TODAY BEIJING, TOMORROW PORT STANLEY!

MAKE ARGENTINA GREAT AGAIN

[betiko]

if you guys had as much territorial sea as the french do, you wouldn't be fishing in other people's pot hole.

#chinayouresmall

[mrswdk]

if you guys had as much territorial sea as the french do, you wouldn't be fishing in other people's pot hole.

#chinayouresmall

That's being remedied as we speak!

[mrswdk]

This is another example of the aggressive behavior of China.

Your description of the sinking of an unarmed fishing vessel by Argentina's militarized coastguard as 'Chinese aggressive behavior' is an excellent parody of the anti-China propaganda so heavily propagated by the US news media.

The American navy rocks up on the other side of the world in the South China Sea, sails all over the place and sends spy planes into Chinese airspace, and somehow the news reports manage to cast China as the aggressor when it tries to shoo America away. And the American public lap it up!

Not your best dodge. 3/10

-TG

Given that it is clearly ludicrous to cite the sinking of a Chinese fishing vessel after it strayed into the edge of Argentinian sea space as an example of the Chinese government's aggressiveness, I had genuinely assumed that Tzor was engaging in a Yoshi-esque parody of the American media's shrill coverage of American confrontations with China in the South China Sea.