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mrswdk wrote:I don't really care if Trump becomes president. He seems capable of changing his tone and approach when the situation requires it, and so when all is said and done I doubt he'd be the unhinged nutjob president that people fear he would be. I also doubt his foreign policy would vary significantly at all from the foreign policy of Bush, Obama or any of his current challengers for the 2016 race, so from a foreigner's point of view it really matters very little to me.
I mean, Obama's the president of hope and change who won a Nobel Peace Prize, and under his leadership America has expanded its conduction of drone assassinations significantly and made deliberate moves to contest and contain China's influence in Asia. It has also played active roles in creating and/or stoking conflicts in Libya, Ukraine and Syria. Do any of you really expect that there is any potential candidate out there who would become president and suddenly America's foreign aggression would change course?
mrswdk wrote:I don't really care if Trump becomes president. He seems capable of changing his tone and approach when the situation requires it, and so when all is said and done I doubt he'd be the unhinged nutjob president that people fear he would be. I also doubt his foreign policy would vary significantly at all from the foreign policy of Bush, Obama or any of his current challengers for the 2016 race, so from a foreigner's point of view it really matters very little to me.
I mean, Obama's the president of hope and change who won a Nobel Peace Prize, and under his leadership America has expanded its conduction of drone assassinations significantly and made deliberate moves to contest and contain China's influence in Asia. It has also played active roles in creating and/or stoking conflicts in Libya, Ukraine and Syria. Do any of you really expect that there is any potential candidate out there who would become president and suddenly America's foreign aggression would change course?
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betiko wrote:mrswdk wrote:I don't really care if Trump becomes president. He seems capable of changing his tone and approach when the situation requires it, and so when all is said and done I doubt he'd be the unhinged nutjob president that people fear he would be. I also doubt his foreign policy would vary significantly at all from the foreign policy of Bush, Obama or any of his current challengers for the 2016 race, so from a foreigner's point of view it really matters very little to me.
I mean, Obama's the president of hope and change who won a Nobel Peace Prize, and under his leadership America has expanded its conduction of drone assassinations significantly and made deliberate moves to contest and contain China's influence in Asia. It has also played active roles in creating and/or stoking conflicts in Libya, Ukraine and Syria. Do any of you really expect that there is any potential candidate out there who would become president and suddenly America's foreign aggression would change course?
yeah i guess things are worse with cuba or iran or so many other countries since Obama right?
mrswdk wrote:betiko wrote:mrswdk wrote:I don't really care if Trump becomes president. He seems capable of changing his tone and approach when the situation requires it, and so when all is said and done I doubt he'd be the unhinged nutjob president that people fear he would be. I also doubt his foreign policy would vary significantly at all from the foreign policy of Bush, Obama or any of his current challengers for the 2016 race, so from a foreigner's point of view it really matters very little to me.
I mean, Obama's the president of hope and change who won a Nobel Peace Prize, and under his leadership America has expanded its conduction of drone assassinations significantly and made deliberate moves to contest and contain China's influence in Asia. It has also played active roles in creating and/or stoking conflicts in Libya, Ukraine and Syria. Do any of you really expect that there is any potential candidate out there who would become president and suddenly America's foreign aggression would change course?
yeah i guess things are worse with cuba or iran or so many other countries since Obama right?
Obama's deliberate provocation of China and Russia on their borders, his extraterritorial assassinations and his consistent attempts to destabilize the Middle East are far more important than his decision to stop punishing a tiny Caribbean island for the Cold War.
mrswdk wrote:I mean come on dude, you're a European. The reason Europe is currently experiencing a refugee crisis is because Obama (along with France and a couple others) rushed into Syria to provoke a civil war. And you're cheer leading him as a success because of the Iran deal?
betiko wrote:mrswdk wrote:betiko wrote:mrswdk wrote:I don't really care if Trump becomes president. He seems capable of changing his tone and approach when the situation requires it, and so when all is said and done I doubt he'd be the unhinged nutjob president that people fear he would be. I also doubt his foreign policy would vary significantly at all from the foreign policy of Bush, Obama or any of his current challengers for the 2016 race, so from a foreigner's point of view it really matters very little to me.
I mean, Obama's the president of hope and change who won a Nobel Peace Prize, and under his leadership America has expanded its conduction of drone assassinations significantly and made deliberate moves to contest and contain China's influence in Asia. It has also played active roles in creating and/or stoking conflicts in Libya, Ukraine and Syria. Do any of you really expect that there is any potential candidate out there who would become president and suddenly America's foreign aggression would change course?
yeah i guess things are worse with cuba or iran or so many other countries since Obama right?
Obama's deliberate provocation of China and Russia on their borders, his extraterritorial assassinations and his consistent attempts to destabilize the Middle East are far more important than his decision to stop punishing a tiny Caribbean island for the Cold War.
lol now USA is the one provocating Russia? go suck some goran balls.
betiko wrote:mrswdk wrote:I mean come on dude, you're a European. The reason Europe is currently experiencing a refugee crisis is because Obama (along with France and a couple others) rushed into Syria to provoke a civil war. And you're cheer leading him as a success because of the Iran deal?
yeah. The civil war there is because of France, USA, UK and my grandma.
Nothing was going on with Bashar before the whole shit went berserk, and there wasn't a refugee crisis 2-3 years ago. Go suck goran's testicles you chinese yes man.
betiko wrote:mrswdk wrote:betiko wrote:mrswdk wrote:I don't really care if Trump becomes president. He seems capable of changing his tone and approach when the situation requires it, and so when all is said and done I doubt he'd be the unhinged nutjob president that people fear he would be. I also doubt his foreign policy would vary significantly at all from the foreign policy of Bush, Obama or any of his current challengers for the 2016 race, so from a foreigner's point of view it really matters very little to me.
I mean, Obama's the president of hope and change who won a Nobel Peace Prize, and under his leadership America has expanded its conduction of drone assassinations significantly and made deliberate moves to contest and contain China's influence in Asia. It has also played active roles in creating and/or stoking conflicts in Libya, Ukraine and Syria. Do any of you really expect that there is any potential candidate out there who would become president and suddenly America's foreign aggression would change course?
yeah i guess things are worse with cuba or iran or so many other countries since Obama right?
Obama's deliberate provocation of China and Russia on their borders, his extraterritorial assassinations and his consistent attempts to destabilize the Middle East are far more important than his decision to stop punishing a tiny Caribbean island for the Cold War.
lol now USA is the one provocating Russia? go suck some goran balls. Also, you chinese should free Tibet, Hong Kong, stop lurking Taiwan, stop eating dogs, stop putting bears in cages, stop copying stuff we sell you, and agree to our vision of human rights. Also you should buy more of our products we build in your country, and build cheaper.
mrswdk wrote:betiko wrote:mrswdk wrote:I mean come on dude, you're a European. The reason Europe is currently experiencing a refugee crisis is because Obama (along with France and a couple others) rushed into Syria to provoke a civil war. And you're cheer leading him as a success because of the Iran deal?
yeah. The civil war there is because of France, USA, UK and my grandma.
Nothing was going on with Bashar before the whole shit went berserk, and there wasn't a refugee crisis 2-3 years ago. Go suck goran's testicles you chinese yes man.
Within the first year of the conflict starting the US was giving aid to the Syrian opposition worth about $1 billion per year. If the US had not gone charging in to prop up the rebels, Assad would probably have crushed them years ago.
And you are correct, there wasn't a refugee crisis 2-3 years ago. It is well-documented that the refugee crisis started in 2015.
mrswdk wrote:betiko wrote:mrswdk wrote:betiko wrote:mrswdk wrote:I don't really care if Trump becomes president. He seems capable of changing his tone and approach when the situation requires it, and so when all is said and done I doubt he'd be the unhinged nutjob president that people fear he would be. I also doubt his foreign policy would vary significantly at all from the foreign policy of Bush, Obama or any of his current challengers for the 2016 race, so from a foreigner's point of view it really matters very little to me.
I mean, Obama's the president of hope and change who won a Nobel Peace Prize, and under his leadership America has expanded its conduction of drone assassinations significantly and made deliberate moves to contest and contain China's influence in Asia. It has also played active roles in creating and/or stoking conflicts in Libya, Ukraine and Syria. Do any of you really expect that there is any potential candidate out there who would become president and suddenly America's foreign aggression would change course?
yeah i guess things are worse with cuba or iran or so many other countries since Obama right?
Obama's deliberate provocation of China and Russia on their borders, his extraterritorial assassinations and his consistent attempts to destabilize the Middle East are far more important than his decision to stop punishing a tiny Caribbean island for the Cold War.
lol now USA is the one provocating Russia? go suck some goran balls.
It's a fair point that the problems in Ukraine started after American/European leaders fanned and encouraged the ousting of an elected Ukrainian president to stop Ukraine deepening ties with Russia. Everything that has happened in Ukraine since stems from aggressive geopolitical game playing on Russia's border.
betiko wrote:mrswdk wrote:betiko wrote:mrswdk wrote:I mean come on dude, you're a European. The reason Europe is currently experiencing a refugee crisis is because Obama (along with France and a couple others) rushed into Syria to provoke a civil war. And you're cheer leading him as a success because of the Iran deal?
yeah. The civil war there is because of France, USA, UK and my grandma.
Nothing was going on with Bashar before the whole shit went berserk, and there wasn't a refugee crisis 2-3 years ago. Go suck goran's testicles you chinese yes man.
Within the first year of the conflict starting the US was giving aid to the Syrian opposition worth about $1 billion per year. If the US had not gone charging in to prop up the rebels, Assad would probably have crushed them years ago.
And you are correct, there wasn't a refugee crisis 2-3 years ago. It is well-documented that the refugee crisis started in 2015.
lol. Are you like saying that Bashar's opposition was daesh?
A whole part of the civilians were getting butchered by Bashar, then daesh... why do you think they've been fleeing the country in such horrible conditions? Bashar's exercize of power against his dicidents was absolutely shocking. The international comunity couldn't just watch and cross their arms.
mrswdk wrote:So to get back to the original point:
Yes, Obama has been stoking tensions with Russia
Yes, Obama has been supporting conflict in the Middle East
Yes, Obama has been working to suppress China's rise
Yes, Obama has expanded the American military's program of extraterritorial assassinations conducted using drones
No, Obama is no different to any of the others
This is why I couldn't care less whether Clinton or Trump wins the presidency. If Clinton wins, we can expect all of the above to continue. If Trump wins, probably something similar. Big deal.
GoranZ wrote:betiko wrote:mrswdk wrote:betiko wrote:mrswdk wrote:I don't really care if Trump becomes president. He seems capable of changing his tone and approach when the situation requires it, and so when all is said and done I doubt he'd be the unhinged nutjob president that people fear he would be. I also doubt his foreign policy would vary significantly at all from the foreign policy of Bush, Obama or any of his current challengers for the 2016 race, so from a foreigner's point of view it really matters very little to me.
I mean, Obama's the president of hope and change who won a Nobel Peace Prize, and under his leadership America has expanded its conduction of drone assassinations significantly and made deliberate moves to contest and contain China's influence in Asia. It has also played active roles in creating and/or stoking conflicts in Libya, Ukraine and Syria. Do any of you really expect that there is any potential candidate out there who would become president and suddenly America's foreign aggression would change course?
yeah i guess things are worse with cuba or iran or so many other countries since Obama right?
Obama's deliberate provocation of China and Russia on their borders, his extraterritorial assassinations and his consistent attempts to destabilize the Middle East are far more important than his decision to stop punishing a tiny Caribbean island for the Cold War.
lol now USA is the one provocating Russia? go suck some goran balls. Also, you chinese should free Tibet, Hong Kong, stop lurking Taiwan, stop eating dogs, stop putting bears in cages, stop copying stuff we sell you, and agree to our vision of human rights. Also you should buy more of our products we build in your country, and build cheaper.
At least I have balls, you dont, you are French. You ask for British and Americans to fight for you.
ISIS attacked Paris few months ago, what has France done since then? Chickens...
GoranZ wrote:betiko wrote:mrswdk wrote:betiko wrote:mrswdk wrote:I mean come on dude, you're a European. The reason Europe is currently experiencing a refugee crisis is because Obama (along with France and a couple others) rushed into Syria to provoke a civil war. And you're cheer leading him as a success because of the Iran deal?
yeah. The civil war there is because of France, USA, UK and my grandma.
Nothing was going on with Bashar before the whole shit went berserk, and there wasn't a refugee crisis 2-3 years ago. Go suck goran's testicles you chinese yes man.
Within the first year of the conflict starting the US was giving aid to the Syrian opposition worth about $1 billion per year. If the US had not gone charging in to prop up the rebels, Assad would probably have crushed them years ago.
And you are correct, there wasn't a refugee crisis 2-3 years ago. It is well-documented that the refugee crisis started in 2015.
lol. Are you like saying that Bashar's opposition was daesh?
A whole part of the civilians were getting butchered by Bashar, then daesh... why do you think they've been fleeing the country in such horrible conditions? Bashar's exercize of power against his dicidents was absolutely shocking. The international comunity couldn't just watch and cross their arms.
The same "international community" you are mentioning take out Gaddafi in Lybia and where is Lybia now? In the same shoes as Syria. Assad is not the problem, West is.
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