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[Dancing Mustard]

I debate because sometimes I get lucky and really really annoy somebody who I think is talking a load of old cobblers.

[F1fth]

I debate because sometimes I get lucky and really really annoy somebody who I think is talking a load of old cobblers.

And a fine troll you make!

[jiminski]

Well I hope I understood enough of that to give a decent reply

I have heard of this fact/opinion saying, and while I agree that a line must be drawn between fact and opinion, what I'm saying is that people agree with others who have the same opinions and disagree with those who don't, but there are things that people with the same opinions on one matter profoundly disagree on. Because of this, anyone who promotes their ideas variously is essentially promoting their whole "hexagon" on everybody. Do you agree with that?

and alright I think I understand the rest...

I'm not quite sure what is troubling you about this Static.

Can i, a believer in the concept of Socialism, realise that unerring imposition of the principle is beyond us? That it can only make a contribution whilst integrated into a capitalistic framework?

Yes... so i actually hold, to use your metaphor, about a thousand vying contradictory, misshapen hexagons... in fact within my own views the use of a hexagon has to be misnomer! The shape which would reflect these views would be compiled of venn diagrams, made of perforated lines and jagged edges.

No question asked in any thread depicts or encourages a 'pure' (hexagonal) view.
If we were to chart the relevance of every thread it would look like a roller-coaster. A meandering line going up and down with every persons particular slant on a whole plethora of loosely related and completely unrelated ideas.

So whether or not someone is a Christian who believes in the death penalty by means of crucifixion or a politician who believes in the sanctity of truth. within each of us their are such seemingly glaring contradictions of thought that the fact no one holds exactly the same views as anyone else is not much of a quandary.

Am i missing your contention?

[jiminski]

I debate because sometimes I get lucky and really really annoy somebody who I think is talking a load of old cobblers.

I am furious!

[static_ice]

I'm not quite sure what is troubling you about this Static.

Can i, a believer in the concept of Socialism, realise that unerring imposition of the principle is beyond us? That it can only make a contribution whilst integrated into a capitalistic framework?

Yes... so i actually hold, to use your metaphor, about a thousand vying contradictory, misshapen hexagons... in fact within my own views the use of a hexagon has to be misnomer! The shape which would reflect these views would be compiled of venn diagrams, made of perforated lines and jagged edges.

No question asked in any thread depicts or encourages a 'pure' (hexagonal) view.
If we were to chart the relevance of every thread it would look like a roller-coaster. A meandering line going up and down with every persons particular slant on a whole plethora of loosely related and completely unrelated ideas.

So whether or not someone is a Christian who believes in the death penalty by means of crucifixion or a politician who believes in the sanctity of truth. within each of us their are such seemingly glaring contradictions of thought that the fact no one holds exactly the same views as anyone else is not much of a quandary.

Am i missing your contention?

well as you said, the hexagon is only a metaphor, of course there are many factors, many categories, many opinions to go with each, many undecided opinions, and yes the fact that everyone has their own set of these opinions isn't much of a dilemma but I guess my original question was what can you ("you" as in generally) conclude from this? What do you think about what I said with everyone being wrong?

[jiminski]

in which case... due to the ephemeral nature of truth.. hehe you are wrong!

[mybike_yourface]

All I know is that when someone offers 1 million dollars to anyone who can prove a 757 hit the pentagon like this government says, and nobody can show such proof there really isnt anything to debate.


and yet there is players here who still want too.



ohh and when you follow sports teams for most of your life then the kicker molests little tykes and they give him a slap on the wrist and move him to another team and hush it up in the papers, and he continues earning millions of dollars and you keep watching and groveling to sports and didnt learn anything from that, then your a pathetic worm that needs to go to jail with the other jock sniffers and molesters and the stadium needs to be torn down and never rebuilt and the whole team disbanned. And when a tennis star gets caught with steriods they need to break both her arms and kneecaps.

those "prove it for money" types of things are always geared so you can't win.

[mr. incrediball]

of course you think your opinions are right. Otherwise you wouldn't have those opinions

[heavycola]

I argue on here partly because in my sheltered London life I don't meet anyone who actually believes in, to take an example out of thin air, creationism. And it's fun being right about everything all the time.
That said, it's also a little sad. Debating with Xtraparanoia is a bit like poking a frog with a stick to make it jump about.

There have been some excellent debates on here actually. I think arguing helps people crystallise their own points of view.