Gravity vs Creation

[The Weird One]

but there isn't a 'J' in there yes, I got the question the first time, and no, I don't know

[got tonkaed]

unless you guys are using a more subtle sense of sarcasm than i am, i believe each one of you has missed the entire point of this thread.

Except heavycola.

i am a skimmer then, unless he edited his post, cause i thought he missed the boat too.

[Tyr]

Circular reasoning or elliptical reasoning?

This is because all orbiting bodies are actually moving forward. Gravity is the force that keeps it moving in a circle/ellipse rather than flying forward into space. Spin around a yo-yo on a string and you get the same effect.

The universe is tuned.

And its those same kinds of odds that were required for life to form on this particular rock an acceptable distance from a star with adequate amounts of water, oxygen, carbon, and all other elements, ect, ect, ect. Just because the odds of something happening are extremely small doesn't mean it can't happen.

Boltzmann bounces Newton.

Who said that they truly are stable? Since gravity acts both ways, the body orbiting and the body orbited are slowly getting closer to each other. Its an extremely insignificant distance/rate, but it is happening. That's why satellites and space stations need periodic readjustments or else they re-enter the atmosphere and burn up.

Microgravity? Yes! Macrogravity? No!

Get that egg moving forward as fast as the moon is and it will orbit the earth just like anything else. Just dropping it will cause the earth to exert a force on it and drag it down as there is no horizontal force/velocity to cause orbiting. The moon/sun/ect falling was explained in the first point.

God of the gaps.

Why would we rotate around a 50 ton hill when there are a few trillion tons of dirt right below us pulling us down. The effect of Earth's gravity is so much greater than anything you would consider "large" on its surface, that the forces caused by them are insignificant in comparison.

Why doesn't the moon rotate around the sun?

The same reason why we don't fall towards the sun. The earth exerts a much greater force on it because it is much closer.

Newton knew nada.

What a surprise. A scientist has to create a new formula in order to explain his theory. I'm shocked.

82% of the residents of Kansas do not believe in tensors

Right, because, you know, 100% of Kansas residents have a PhD in either particle physics or astronomy.

Alright, I'm done responding to stupid ideas. Time to quite stalling and write my BME paper.[/i]

thank god someone posted this. i do not feel like typing it all out

[magneticgoop]

The Universal Theory of Gravity is often taught by Gravitationalists in public schools as a "fact." It is not a fact. It is not even a good theory.


Circular reasoning or elliptical reasoning?

According to gravitationalists, gravity is a force between objects with mass; Lines of gravitational force are straight. Gravity does not make objects spin in circles or ellipses. But planets are observed to move in elliptical orbits around the sun. Trying to dodge this contradiction, gravitationalists turn logic on its head and claim orbits somehow prove gravity. Circular reasoning and elliptical reasoning are common among gravitationalists.

The universe is tuned.

The moon rotates on its axis but at the same time always presents the same comforting face to us, gazing up from earth. Little Willie Dembski has calculated the chances of that happening at random and it is exactly 1 in 15 septdecillion. That exceeds the probabombastic resources of the universe, proving the intervention of an intelligent agent. Only an intelligent designer could arrange such a happy coincidence, always presenting the familiar side of the moon to us. Imagine how it might have altered human history if, for all these millennium, we had been gazing at the unfamiliar face of the moon.

Boltzmann bounces Newton.

Gravitational theory suggests that the planets have been moving in stable orbits for millions and millions of years. The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that all spontaneous processes increase the entropy of the universe. So where is the entropy increase arising from the spontaneously orbiting planets? Gravitationalists scan the universe with special entropy telescopes, searching for the missing entropy. But they cannot find it.

Microgravity? Yes! Macrogravity? No!

Microgravity is observable. Release an egg from three feet above your kitchen floor to observe microgravity in action. It will fall. But don't take our word for it. Try it yourself. Next observe macrogravity in action. Perform the same experiment with a very massive object, say an object with the mass of the moon. Oh, wait. The moon is suspended above us. It does not fall. This proves to us that macrogravity does not exist. Microgravity only makes small objects on earth fall. If there is macrogravity, why don't the sun, the moon, and the planets all fall down and hit the earth? Heavenly bodies do not fall, obviously, because there is no macrogravity.

God of the gaps.

The failings of the theory are obvious. Gaze up into the sky. The moon obviously rotates around the earth. You can see that. Why don't humans rotate around mountains? Why don't insects rotate around cars? Why doesn't the moon rotate around the sun? Sometimes the theory of gravity seems to work and other times not. There are obvious gaps in gravity theory. Gravitationalists cannot find the missing gravitational links.

Newton knew nada.

Every time there is discussion the theory of gravity, it leads right into "fringe" mathematics. Isaac Newton, said to be the discoverer of gravity, had all sorts of problems developing the theory. Newton invented a whole new branch of mathematics, called fluxions, just to "prove" his theory. Fluxions became calculus, a deeply flawed branch of mathematics having to do with so-called "infinitesimals". Scientists have searched and searched for infinitesimals, but to this day no one has experimentally observed an infinitesimal. Then Einstein invented a new theory of gravity. He used an obscure bit of mathematics called tensors. Polling has shown that 82% of the residents of Kansas do not believe in tensors. Enough said.



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you get the picture

go to a 6th grade science class before using reasoning that not only does nobody agree wit but it also makes you look like the stupidest person in the forums

[J-Duds]

I don't know what a BME paper is, in which case I may be missing a subtle joke.

But if I am not, you are weirdly literal-minded.

No one finds a really serious answer to an obviously not serious thread funny? I got a good laugh out of it at least.

[Iliad]

Guys this was a joke!

Anyone who has read his pro-evolution psots would've known this.

He was ridiculing Christians pointing out "flaws" in evolution(hence micro,macro)!

[freezie]

Only reading his post, I thought he was serious.

Now I know not to post a few answers of my own..

[heavycola]

unless you guys are using a more subtle sense of sarcasm than i am, i believe each one of you has missed the entire point of this thread.

Except heavycola.

i am a skimmer then, unless he edited his post, cause i thought he missed the boat too.

Hello! I am over here!

I didn't miss the boat. I'm going to heaven. See you in hell, heretic.

[AlgyTaylor]

This has been said here but I'll repeat it.

Gravity is a law.

Check your physics books, it's a theory. Nothing more than a dogmatic theory peddled by so-called 'scientists'. Gravity has only the same amount of "proof" that evolution does.


And we all know that evolution's a load of cobblers, don't we?

[MeDeFe]

Good post Algy, at least I enjoyed reading it.

[Skittles!]

go to a 6th grade science class before using reasoning that not only does nobody agree wit but it also makes you look like the stupidest person in the forums

Says the amazingly smart Christian who can pick up the slightest bit of sarcasm with so much ease.

[joecoolfrog]

go to a 6th grade science class before using reasoning that not only does nobody agree wit but it also makes you look like the stupidest person in the forums

Says the amazingly smart Christian who can pick up the slightest bit of sarcasm with so much ease.

It cant be easy for somebody who believes in myths to identify the absurd

[AlgyTaylor]

Come on you gravitationalists, prove your theory of gravity to me!

Why don't I orbit large buildings? Or keep crashing in to them, for that matter?

[Iliad]

Come on you gravitationalists, prove your theory of gravity to me!

Why don't I orbit large buildings?

Because God wills it so! Can't you see! Gravity doesn't exist!

[Titanic]

Come on you gravitationalists, prove your theory of gravity to me!

Why don't I orbit large buildings?

Because God wills it so! Can't you see! Gravity doesn't exist!

Im surprised creationists dont think Satan is the cause of gravity and tries to pull us towards hell.

[Iliad]

Come on you gravitationalists, prove your theory of gravity to me!

Why don't I orbit large buildings?

Because God wills it so! Can't you see! Gravity doesn't exist!

Im surprised creationists dont think Satan is the cause of gravity and tries to pull us towards hell.

[AlgyTaylor]

That's what so-called "gravity" is!!! It's just these mad gravitationalists that try to spread their evil left wing/liberal messages through the schools to brainwash the children's minds in to thinking that some half-baked THEORY of gravity is actually a fact.

I mean, this missing link - where is it? Satellites orbit the earth in a circular/elliptical fashion. Eggs fall straight down. Where are the things that, when you let go of them they go for a quick whiz round the M25 (a so called "orbital" road) then fall to earth?

[joecoolfrog]

I quite like beef tea but I suppose that gravy tea might be a step too far.

[Simonov]

That's what so-called "gravity" is!!! It's just these mad gravitationalists that try to spread their evil left wing/liberal messages through the schools to brainwash the children's minds in to thinking that some half-baked THEORY of gravity is actually a fact.

I mean, this missing link - where is it? Satellites orbit the earth in a circular/elliptical fashion. Eggs fall straight down. Where are the things that, when you let go of them they go for a quick whiz round the M25 (a so called "orbital" road) then fall to earth?

good point algy! fighting the creationist with their own weapons. similar to like what laibach does: "they absorb the mannerisms of the enemy, adopting all the seductive trappings and symbols of state power, and then they exaggerate everything to the edge of parody..."