Thought for the day

[got tonkaed]

you have limited free will, in the sense that you can do what you would like to do, but what you would like to do and what you are capable of is greatly dictated, probably almost determinsitically so, by your socialization process.

I could at any moment if i really wanted to, go jump off a builiding because yes, i have free will. Yet my family upbringing has led me to believe this would cause an unecesary hardship for them, and as a person bound to a degree by familial bonds i couldnt do this. Not that i would want to, but i couldnt because i could not bring myself to it.

[misterman10]

you have limited free will, in the sense that you can do what you would like to do, but what you would like to do and what you are capable of is greatly dictated, probably almost determinsitically so, by your socialization process.

I could at any moment if i really wanted to, go jump off a builiding because yes, i have free will. Yet my family upbringing has led me to believe this would cause an unecesary hardship for them, and as a person bound to a degree by familial bonds i couldnt do this. Not that i would want to, but i couldnt because i could not bring myself to it.

yes you could, and in that sense you have free will. But that still doesn't mean that God didn't know you were going to do this

[radiojake]

I could at any moment if i really wanted to, go jump off a builiding because yes, i have free will. Yet my family upbringing has led me to believe this would cause an unecesary hardship for them, and as a person bound to a degree by familial bonds i couldnt do this. Not that i would want to, but i couldnt because i could not bring myself to it.

yes you could, and in that sense you have free will. But that still doesn't mean that God didn't know you were going to do this

Hang on, does God know what our decisions are about to be or does God DECIDE what our decisions are going to be? (even though both are illogical) They are different.

[got tonkaed]

you have limited free will, in the sense that you can do what you would like to do, but what you would like to do and what you are capable of is greatly dictated, probably almost determinsitically so, by your socialization process.

I could at any moment if i really wanted to, go jump off a builiding because yes, i have free will. Yet my family upbringing has led me to believe this would cause an unecesary hardship for them, and as a person bound to a degree by familial bonds i couldnt do this. Not that i would want to, but i couldnt because i could not bring myself to it.

yes you could, and in that sense you have free will. But that still doesn't mean that God didn't know you were going to do this

i dont actually account for God in terms of free will, since neither side could be able to prove that God exists.

[Anarchy Ninja]

I beleive we all make our own choices and every time anything is presented witht the most minute of choices or possibilities of outcomes the universe splits off into a mirror one where something happened or didn't happen. So there could very well be a univerese where I am not making this post but sitting as God-Emperor of earth

[Stopper]

I believe it is my destiny to type a glib platitude here, of my own free will.

[got tonkaed]

I believe it is my destiny to type a glib platitude here, of my own free will.

really sounds like the type of thing to make someone wanna get out of the bed in the morning....

[Stopper]

Platitudes don't have to be motivational - they're defined as being meaningless.

Where there is a will, there is a way. But always remember you can't escape your fate.

[got tonkaed]

Platitudes don't have to be motivational - they're defined as being meaningless.

Where there is a will, there is a way. But always remember you can't escape your fate.

well if you willed yourself to escape your fate?

[Stopper]

You cannot will yourself to escape your fate unless you are destined to do so. To do otherwise would be to go against your true nature.

[Neutrino]

As humans, it is free will, but that doesn't mean God doesn't know what we will decide to do. He knew I was going to post this message, even though I didn't know I would until this point.

But then it isn't free will. If it is possible to know exactly when each and every event that ever occured occured, then free will for any creatures that partook in those actions is extinguished. The actions of any creature with free will can only be expresed as a series of probabilities, not certainties.
Using your example: you could post, or you could not post. Since I know that you posted, I will assume that was the option that was preordained. Therefore, you never actually had free will! You may think you had the choice of whether to post or not, but in reality (assuming god exists and has preordained all actions) your every action, thought and feeling is written in stone.

We are either unknowing slaves, or god has no interest in dictating our actions.

[got tonkaed]

You cannot will yourself to escape your fate unless you are destined to do so. To do otherwise would be to go against your true nature.

i suck....i spent a good few minutes trying to spin this around and failed utterly.

[Stopper]

If at first you do not succeed, always try again. But have the wisdom to know when to stop trying.

[got tonkaed]

If at first you do not succeed, always try again. But have the wisdom to know when to stop trying.

ill keep the wisdom on layaway until im old enough to use some of it....

i suppose heres the easy way out....

what if you were destined to violate your true nature, therefore making you able to will yoursef out of a fate that otherwise would have been your own had your true nature remained constant?

[Michelle]

If at first you do not succeed, always try again. But have the wisdom to know when to stop trying.

ill keep the wisdom on layaway until im old enough to use some of it....

i suppose heres the easy way out....

what if you were destined to violate your true nature, therefore making you able to will yoursef out of a fate that otherwise would have been your own had your true nature remained constant?

Everyones ultimate fate is death. Sure you can side step it throughout the course of your life but there is no escaping it. It will happen.

You cannot escape fate.

[got tonkaed]

If at first you do not succeed, always try again. But have the wisdom to know when to stop trying.

ill keep the wisdom on layaway until im old enough to use some of it....

i suppose heres the easy way out....

what if you were destined to violate your true nature, therefore making you able to will yoursef out of a fate that otherwise would have been your own had your true nature remained constant?

Everyones ultimate fate is death. Sure you can side step it throughout the course of your life but there is no escaping it. It will happen.

You cannot escape fate.

touche....however much like my response to stoppers cleverness that started the little rambling...


sure doesnt seem like the type of thing that makes one get out of bed in the morning.

[Titanic]

I believe in free will, because if you have a destiny and you have to take that path then why dont you just sit on your backside because destiny itself will mean that you end up in the same place, just this way you can do it with no work or effort.

Also, if we have a destiny, does that apply to all creatures, plants possible, and every other form of life on other planets in the universe?

To me, destiny sounds like a very medieval way of thinking. We have evolved past that kind of thinking in every area of life except from religion,

[dcowboys055]

Like I said before I believe there is no laid out plan. God created us and left us to progress and learn for ourselves.

[heavycola]

The writing is on the wall.

[Stopper]

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

[got tonkaed]

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

first the platitude, then this cryptic little remark....

what was in your cheerios today sir?

[Stopper]

Ask no questions, and hear no lies.