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Postby Stopper on Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:01 pm

Nobunaga wrote:... Smokers could just start up chewing, I suppose . . . works for the Swedes.


You mean SNUS, don't you!?

I read about this stuff ages ago - it's supposed to be different from chewing tobacco. I don't see how it's very different from nicotine chewing gum, though.
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Postby Huckleberryhound on Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:15 pm

unriggable wrote:
0ojakeo0 wrote:
unriggable wrote:
0ojakeo0 wrote:havnt smokedand y the f*ck do u care so much 12 year olds arent clueless like they were wen u were a kid in the 1800s


PLEASE ADD PUNCTUATION NEXT TIME


were would the punctuation go?


Haven't smoked, and why the f*ck do you care so much, 12 year olds aren't clueless like they were when you were a kid in the 1800's.


I know this is off topic, but i have to back track here to show what a twat you are.

If you intend to correct someones punctuation, please learn how to use it first :roll:


the correct punctuation for that sentence would've been.......


Haven't smoked, and why the f*ck do you care so much ? 12 year olds aren't clueless like they were when you were a kid in the 1800's.

At least the kid didn't try to make a fool of anyone, and make himself look stoopied in the process.



stoopied spelled wrong on purpose
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Postby Stopper on Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:28 pm

reverend_kyle wrote:I smoke cigars socially, really anytime you can celebrate I smoke them but probably not more than 1 per month.. is that the same thing?


I only wish I led the kind of life you apparently do, that you have something to celebrate at least once a month! I don't know about the health effects of a cigar-a-month, (and whether inhaling makes a difference - plus, are they panatellas? Big fat Bolivars?), but I reckon I wouldn't worry about it if I led such a successful life...
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Postby btownmeggy on Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:34 pm

Stopper wrote:Without wanting to come across as a hectoring old git, BTW, I would have said practically everything you did in that second paragraph when I was 20. My transition to proper, full-on, phlegm-hocking, orange-fingered chain-smokery was unplanned, swift and unnoticed.


Well, that's encouraging. So what happened?

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btownmeggy wrote:http://www.clinicianreviews.com/index.asp?page=8_102.xml (concerning health, though it doesn't really address smoking non-smokers like myself... just light smokers ~10/day)


Actually, the larger of the two studies you've linked to in this link is the same one as I linked to in the news item, although reading the review suggests that the study was larger than the initial impression I got, so thanks.


The other thing about those two studies, is that they're only about people who WERE heavy smokers, then cut back. Maybe there aren't any studies about very light smokers, erm, I mean people who smoke just a little but aren't smokers, because there are very few such people, and (I'm betting) the health effects are minor. If this sort of practice was very harmful, it seems like it would be studied more, no?
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Postby reverend_kyle on Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:45 pm

Stopper wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:I smoke cigars socially, really anytime you can celebrate I smoke them but probably not more than 1 per month.. is that the same thing?


I only wish I led the kind of life you apparently do, that you have something to celebrate at least once a month! I don't know about the health effects of a cigar-a-month, (and whether inhaling makes a difference - plus, are they panatellas? Big fat Bolivars?), but I reckon I wouldn't worry about it if I led such a successful life...


Well, 17th birthday, 4th of july, probably no celebration in august, but then my friends 18th birthday then probably veterans day in rememberance.


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Postby Bertros Bertros on Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:06 pm

Stopper wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:I smoke cigars socially, really anytime you can celebrate I smoke them but probably not more than 1 per month.. is that the same thing?


I only wish I led the kind of life you apparently do, that you have something to celebrate at least once a month! I don't know about the health effects of a cigar-a-month, (and whether inhaling makes a difference - plus, are they panatellas? Big fat Bolivars?), but I reckon I wouldn't worry about it if I led such a successful life...


When we got our life assurance policy for the mortgage obvoiusly the form asked if you were a smoker but not including a pipe or less than 20 cigars a year... presumably because you don't inhale?
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Postby Norse on Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:30 pm

btownmeggy wrote:

. If this sort of practice was very harmful, it seems like it would be studied more, no?


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Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:39 pm

b.k. barunt wrote:Yes, restaraunts too should be left to the discretion of the owner. Most restaraunts in and around New Orleans do not allow smoking, as the owners have decided that people don't like to eat around smoke, but some owners, thinking to attract the smoking crowd, still have smoking sections. Patrons have a choice of which restaraunts they choose to patronize, and that's the way it should be. What is it with these modern day yuppies with their plethora of rules and regulations? You got us out of public places now, so leave it at that - if you can't find a bar that doesn't ban smoking, maybe it's because you're in the minority there - so if you don't like the smoke, stay the f*ck home and stop pushing your likes and dislikes on those around you.


Funny enough up here in Baton Rouge the only way a "restaurant" is allowed to have smoking is if over half of their business comes from alcohol sales. With that said, I think it's great that regular restaurants are now required to not allow smoking as it is disgusting to smell that crap over the smell of good food.

If someone wants to smoke in the privacy of their home then I don't see a problem with it unless there is a child around. If there is a child around, then you should have to step outside away from the child in order to smoke as studies have proven that smoking around children can cause health consequences to them.

I've nevers moked in my life(I'm 28 ) and see no point to it. My ex girlfriend and I got into a fight because of her smokign before because I would refuse to kiss her when she had that crap taste in her mouth. Amazingly enough, it was enough to make her stop smoking.
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Postby btownmeggy on Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:45 pm

Norse wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:If this sort of practice was very harmful, it seems like it would be studied more, no?


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Postby reverend_kyle on Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:28 am

Bertros Bertros wrote:
Stopper wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:I smoke cigars socially, really anytime you can celebrate I smoke them but probably not more than 1 per month.. is that the same thing?


I only wish I led the kind of life you apparently do, that you have something to celebrate at least once a month! I don't know about the health effects of a cigar-a-month, (and whether inhaling makes a difference - plus, are they panatellas? Big fat Bolivars?), but I reckon I wouldn't worry about it if I led such a successful life...


When we got our life assurance policy for the mortgage obvoiusly the form asked if you were a smoker but not including a pipe or less than 20 cigars a year... presumably because you don't inhale?


You certainly don't inhale like a cigarette.
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Postby Stopper on Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:51 am

btownmeggy wrote:
Stopper wrote:Without wanting to come across as a hectoring old git, BTW, I would have said practically everything you did in that second paragraph when I was 20. My transition to proper, full-on, phlegm-hocking, orange-fingered chain-smokery was unplanned, swift and unnoticed.


Well, that's encouraging. So what happened?


Sudden unexpected changes in my circumstances. Smoking cigarettes was a comfort for a while.

btownmeggy wrote:The other thing about those two studies, is that they're only about people who WERE heavy smokers, then cut back. Maybe there aren't any studies about very light smokers, erm, I mean people who smoke just a little but aren't smokers, because there are very few such people, and (I'm betting) the health effects are minor. If this sort of practice was very harmful, it seems like it would be studied more, no?


It's not uncommon, what you do. I'd call it "social smoking" - is that not a common term in the US? But actually, having gone through quite a few more sites, you may be right, very low levels of smoking may not inherently carry significant medical risks.

The reasons for discouraging light smoking seem to be largely based on the risk of acquiring a proper habit, as for example this article indicates. I don't know if I want to keep on at you about this though, because I think I'm beginning to sound like an born-again ex-smoker, and that is, like, seriously uncool.
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Postby Stopper on Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:05 am

reverend_kyle wrote:basically on holidays.


Sorry, I got the wrong end of the stick - when you said "celebration", it made me think of passing exams, having babies, getting new jobs, that kind of thing.

Bertros Bertros wrote:When we got our life assurance policy for the mortgage obvoiusly the form asked if you were a smoker but not including a pipe or less than 20 cigars a year... presumably because you don't inhale?


Really, they asked that? I must be completely degenerate, because given a Hamlet panatella, I would just inhale the whole thing.

Bertros Bertros wrote:I did the British 10k last weekend, it was my first long(ish) distance race, I loved it. I can certainly say that reducing my smoking helped with this but the most important thing is the training. Good luck with which ever run your doing and try not to get hooked, running is almost as addictive as smoking it would seem (and considering the damage it does to your ankles/knees nearly as bad for you!)...


Dunno how, but I missed this post entirely. Cheers for the encouragement - it's the Great North Run I'm doing. Personally, smoking and running for me is entirely impossible, though I'm well aware plenty of people are capable of doing this. You obviously, and entire football teams in the '70's for instance.
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Postby Nobunaga on Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:06 am

Stopper wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... Smokers could just start up chewing, I suppose . . . works for the Swedes.


You mean SNUS, don't you!?

I read about this stuff ages ago - it's supposed to be different from chewing tobacco. I don't see how it's very different from nicotine chewing gum, though.


... Well, it's popular in the US. In rural areas, anyway. Smoking is a fire hazard in barns and the like, so everybody dips (to dip = to use smokeless tobacco). Some guys chew the real McCoy - Redman and what not, but it's not so popular.

... These companies (which make smokeless tobacco) send product promoters to college campuses in the US, passing out free cans as samples. They insist it's a great way to keep awake for studying.

... The Swedish snus is by comparison to its US counterparts, healthy. That is to say, most Swedish snus contains tobacco, salt, water, and flavoring (many don't have that, actually). US smokeless has all manner of chemicals, added after extensive testing to get folks addicted as quickly as chemically possible. It also contains preservatives to give it a long shelf-life, and these are the things that can kill you. Formaldehyde is one such ingredient.

... Probably a lot more than you cared to know, Stopper, but I quit dipping some time ago, and I've studied up.

... Spitting tends to turn ladies off.... unless of course they dip as well (I've only known one).

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Postby Bertros Bertros on Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:46 am

Stopper wrote:
Bertros Bertros wrote:When we got our life assurance policy for the mortgage obvoiusly the form asked if you were a smoker but not including a pipe or less than 20 cigars a year... presumably because you don't inhale?


Really, they asked that? I must be completely degenerate, because given a Hamlet panatella, I would just inhale the whole thing.


Yup they really asked that... I'm completely degenrate too, hence the "?"...

Stopper wrote:
Bertros Bertros wrote:I did the British 10k last weekend, it was my first long(ish) distance race, I loved it. I can certainly say that reducing my smoking helped with this but the most important thing is the training. Good luck with which ever run your doing and try not to get hooked, running is almost as addictive as smoking it would seem (and considering the damage it does to your ankles/knees nearly as bad for you!)...


Dunno how, but I missed this post entirely. Cheers for the encouragement - it's the Great North Run I'm doing. Personally, smoking and running for me is entirely impossible, though I'm well aware plenty of people are capable of doing this. You obviously, and entire football teams in the '70's for instance.


Amazinfly I did actually spy a couple of guys getting a quick chuff in whilst everybody else was downing red bull before the race... there is no way I could do that!
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