Suspect arrested? Was: Trouble in Woodsboro

[saxitoxin]

It turns out his BA and MS degrees were from Pa. but he was doing his doctoral dissertation at Washington State University. Biden had approved student loan forgiveness for him.

[Maxleod]

When does the series air on Netflix?

[jusplay4fun]

WTF is he wearing, it looks like a kimono made out of moving blankets.

Guessing it's a stab vest since he's a high profile prisoner?

Jim --- I mean, "Bryan" --- what were you wearing?

This is jimb?? I thought he is short and bald..?? NO...??

[jimboston]

It turns out his BA and MS degrees were from Pa. but he was doing his doctoral dissertation at Washington State University. Biden had approved student loan forgiveness for him.

LOL

So Biden approved the loan forgiveness specifically for this dude?
Wow… there’s some Deep State shit there.

[bigtoughralf]

Is this what happens when people's debts are paid by the state? It sounds like he went on a murderous rampage shortly after being relieved of responsibilities. Should this be a warning to people demanding citizens be relieved of the duty to source their own health insurance?

[jonesthecurl]

Yes, it's well-known that, in the UK, otherwise law-abiding citizens frequently stalk and assassinate strangers with a commando knife after a free visit to the doctor,

[2dimes]

No wonder you left.

[Dukasaur]

Are you going to Scarborough Fair?

[pmac666]

Biden had approved student loan forgiveness for him.

LOL
Youre so incredibly bad with your trolling game.

[saxitoxin]

Okay I've pieced these items together from news report and the affidavit. None of this makes any sense.

- At about 4:15 a.m. the day of the murders, surviving roommate 1 heard one of the victims say, from her room, "there's someone in the house."

- A minute later she heard sounds from the victims' bedroom and then a male voice saying "it's okay, I'm here to help you."

- A second minute later survivor 1 opened the door to her bedroom and saw a tall, athletic male in the hallway dressed entirely in black, wearing a mask, and moving towards her room. She closed the door to her room, locked it, and went back to sleep. She woke up at around 9 a.m., couldn't get the roommates to wake up so called some friends to help her and, eventually at 12, they called the police. However, the police say - upon arriving - all roommates had visible stab wounds and were drenched in blood.

- Bryan Kohberger, the suspect, apparently studied under Katherine Ramsland, one of the country's leading experts in serial killers.

- Kohberger's hot AF sister starred in a slasher film in 2011, "Two Days Back."



- Kohberger, upon being arrested, immediately asked police if they'd arrested anyone else as well.

- Kohberger intends to plead not guilty and says he's looking forward to being "fully exonerated."

- The Latah County Court has issued an "unusual" nondissemination order commanding the police to release no further information to the public.

- There was a rumor Kohberger may have tried to contact the BTK Killer, however, the BTK Killer - who is currently serving a 175 year sentence in Kansas - has released a statement saying he had no such contact but believed Kohberger may "have studied my methods."

[saxitoxin]

Also, one of his students said they all hated him because he was a harsh grader, but that after the murders he started giving everyone 100s.

[mookiemcgee]

That's good stuff Saxi, I haven't gone very deep on this one but what's the name of this survivor whos story doesn't add up?

[jusplay4fun]

That's good stuff Saxi, I haven't gone very deep on this one but what's the name of this survivor whos story doesn't add up?

Yes, I agree, Mookie, that saxi has really "dug into" this story and kept us informed. The case is indeed fascinating.

This is a good break from mundane and, at times, boring political insults that masquerades as discussions and debates. And this is a good break from the frequent insults of small minded folks on here, too.

I will caution that there tends to be lots of rumors swirling around in a story like this and I prefer to wait until we have Official pronouncements of what actually did occur. Some speculation tends to be incorrect. We did hear early about a search for a white Hyundia Elantra and that proved to be a correct lead. There were other stories that did not pan out, most of which I have fortunately forgotten.

[saxitoxin]

That's good stuff Saxi, I haven't gone very deep on this one but what's the name of this survivor whos story doesn't add up?

They're not releasing the name, she's referred to in the affidavit as "D.M." -- https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/ ... c/full.pdf

Also, here's the police press release announcing they've had a nondissemination order imposed on them - https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCen ... tion-order

The affidavit also notes they recovered the knife sheath in of the victim's bedrooms and it had Kohberger's DNA on it.

So the evidence they're basing the case on appears to be:

- "D.M." said the man in black in the hallway had "bushy eyebrows," was white, and of medium built and Kohberger has those three characteristics.
- Cell tower pings show Kohberger was near the house before the killings and later the next day, after the killings. (There were no cell phone pings on his phone at all during the time of the killings, perhaps indicating he had the foresight to put it in a Faraday bag.)
- A doorbell camera from a nearby residence shows Kohberger's white Hyundai Elantra nearby before the killings. (Again, however, there's no footage of it during the actual killings.)
- The knife sheath found in a victim's room had male DNA on it that is 99.9% a match with Kohberger.

Presumably the police must be holding something back, otherwise it seems (IMO) like they don't have much of a case:

- The witness description is extremely vague and her extremely odd behavior faced with a quadruple murder will cause the defense to call into question whether she was drunk or high which would make this vague memory even less reliable.
- Moscow is a small town. If Kohberger is the criminal mastermind he's alleged to be, and had the foresight even to put his phone in a Faraday bag before the killings, he'll certainly have have a reason as to why he was driving in the vicinity of the murder house.
- The DNA evidence is a bit more damning. However, it's ultimately just located on a knife sheath, not the actual murder weapon, and not on the victim's bodies. Plus, the house was known to be a local party house. What if Kohberger is able to show he'd been at the house previously for a party, ergo it's not surprising his DNA might be present in places?

The police have not given a motive and say they have not recovered the murder weapon or been able to link Kohberger to either owning or purchasing a KBar knife.

I was listening to the Dan Abrams Show the other night and he had a caller who claimed to a be a retired cop and said he had never heard of a first-time killer murdering four people with a knife. Usually people need to start with one or two, but for someone to do four at once ... and with a knife ... and do it extremely methodically, is very unusual.

[jusplay4fun]

That's good stuff Saxi, I haven't gone very deep on this one but what's the name of this survivor whos story doesn't add up?

They're not releasing the name, she's referred to in the affidavit as "D.M." -- https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/ ... c/full.pdf

Also, here's the police press release announcing they've had a nondissemination order imposed on them - https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCen ... tion-order

The affidavit also notes they recovered the knife sheath in of the victim's bedrooms and it had Kohberger's DNA on it.

So the evidence they're basing the case on appears to be:

- "D.M." said the man in black in the hallway had "bushy eyebrows," was white, and of medium built and Kohberger has those three characteristics.
- Cell tower pings show Kohberger was near the house before the killings and later the next day, after the killings. (There were no cell phone pings on his phone at all during the time of the killings, perhaps indicating he had the foresight to put it in a Faraday bag.)
- A doorbell camera from a nearby residence shows Kohberger's white Hyundai Elantra nearby before the killings. (Again, however, there's no footage of it during the actual killings.)
- The knife sheath found in a victim's room had male DNA on it that is 99.9% a match with Kohberger.

Presumably the police must be holding something back, otherwise it seems (IMO) like they don't have much of a case:

- The witness description is extremely vague and her extremely odd behavior faced with a quadruple murder will cause the defense to call into question whether she was drunk or high which would make this vague memory even less reliable.
- Moscow is a small town. If Kohberger is the criminal mastermind he's alleged to be, and had the foresight even to put his phone in a Faraday bag before the killings, he'll certainly have have a reason as to why he was driving in the vicinity of the murder house.
- The DNA evidence is a bit more damning. However, it's ultimately just located on a knife sheath, not the actual murder weapon, and not on the victim's bodies. Plus, the house was known to be a local party house. What if Kohberger is able to show he'd been at the house previously for a party?

The police have not given a motive and say they have not recovered the murder weapon or been able to link Kohberger to either owning or purchasing a KBar knife.

I was listening to the Dan Abrams Show the other night and he had a caller who claimed to a be a retired cop and said he had never heard of a first-time killer murdering four people with a knife. Usually people need to start with one or two, but for someone to do four at once ... and with a knife ... and do it extremely methodically, is very unusual.

I Totally agree with this:

Presumably the police must be holding something back, otherwise it seems (IMO) like they don't have much of a case:

Yes, the DNA evidence is quite cogent; that will be difficult for his defense lawyer(s) to deny.

If, as saxi speculated, that the defense argues that Kohberger was there at a party, I ASK why would he bring a KNIFE SHEATH to a party?

And, obviously, we do not know all the evidence and the Police and the FBI have not found answers to all questions. We do not know his motive, but Kohberger seems to be a crime buff and that may explain LOTS. Speculation that he reached out to the BTK murderer (Dennis Rader) before committing the crime is interesting. But merely finding and charging Kohberger is a HUGE step to resolving and solving this murder case.

I watched Dateline on NBC this past Friday. That featured case took some 6.5 years, interrupted by COVID pandemic, but the police had evidence on the KILLER early; it took a LONG time to go to court and prove that case and get the conviction. They will feature this Kohberger quadruple murder story this coming Friday. I think the show runs 9-11 PM, EST. I hope to watch that.

[HitRed]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-tea ... and-action

[jusplay4fun]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-teacher-shot-6-year-old-identified-parents-demand-action

This belongs in a different or new thread.

[HitRed]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/oklahoma-12- ... police-say

[jusplay4fun]

Out of the blue, 28 year old Bryan Christopher Kohberger has been arrested in Pennsylvania. Idaho has asked he be extradited in connection with the murders but no reason as to why he may be the killer has been presented yet.

“Out of the Blue”

Or maybe “after 6 weeks of hard investigative work”?

I have to agree with jimb on this one. I was about to post something similar, then looked at his post.

And I prefer to keep this thread about this one case and not turn it into a "Crimes in America (violent and/or bizarre)" thread.

[jimboston]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-teacher-shot-6-year-old-identified-parents-demand-action

Look at that fake condescending smile… you can almost understand why the kid shot her, no?

The second link is weird…
-the title mentions a stabbing involving a 12yo and 9yo, but that’s not the story.
-the video is from a shooting with a suspect hiding under a bed.
-then there’s a sentence or two about the Woodsboro thing.