How long before Ghislaine Maxwell suicide

[mookiemcgee]

How is being against the modern feminist movement far right? It certainly isn't. I don't agree with the modern feminist movement. Does that automatically make me a white supremacist or a Nazi?

well, it doesn't exactly help...

How is abolishing the death penalty far left? Not wanting the state to kill people = "radical leftist movement"? In your last post you just said you wouldn't call anyone on the left, far left, unless they wanted to overthrow the gov't... and then you say biden is far left because he wants to remove the death penalty and a pathway to citizenship for people already in the country and working. This country has had socialist systems in place since FDR, and a majority Americans love them. If Social Security is a 'far leftist' program to you, then you must also acknowledge that most Americans want this form of socialism... which makes it a centrist opinion NOT a far left opinion.

From here in the middle I can clearly see that CNN = propaganda and talking points of the left, and Fox = propaganda and talking points of the right. If you can't see/acknowledge that it isn't unfair, it's just bad... for everyone on both sides then I don't think you are being open minded as you believe you are.

[Jdsizzleslice]

How is abolishing the death penalty far left? Not wanting the state to kill people = "radical leftist movement"? In your last post you just said you wouldn't call anyone on the left, far left, unless they wanted to overthrow the gov't... and then you say biden is far left because he wants to remove the death penalty and a pathway to citizenship for people already in the country and working. This country has had socialist systems in place since FDR, and a majority Americans love them. If Social Security is a 'far leftist' program to you, then you must also acknowledge that most Americans want this form of socialism... which makes it a centrist opinion NOT a far left opinion.

From here in the middle I can clearly see that CNN = propaganda and talking points of the left, and Fox = propaganda and talking points of the right. If you can't see/acknowledge that it isn't unfair, it's just bad... for everyone on both sides then I don't think you are being open minded as you believe you are.

I think it's fair to make an argument that the death penalty isn't an extreme viewpoint. Point taken, I resend that point.

The path for citizenship is specifically in reference to people who are not citizens and who are not here legally, regardless of whether or not they are working. That to me is an extreme viewpoint.

To be fair, Social Security is an abhorent bad example to use because it has zero money in its reserves. It's been taken for other uses over the years. There is no guarantee Social Security will even be available to those in the future because the money is not guaranteed, period. I'm not banking my future on Social Security. Therefore, Social Security has failed.

Also, I would disagree that the majority of Americans support socialist policies. What other Socialist policies have been a net positive in the scope of the US? I would argue that most government programs focused on the community have been abysmal disasters.

My general stance is that there does need to be a mix of capitalist and socialist policies in the US. However, that percentage should be approximately 80% capitalist and 20% socialist. You can't let companies have complete free reign, that's where monopolies occur (see current MSM climate, where Google controls 70% of Ad-space on the internet). So we do need regulation but my opinion is that it should be minimal. The general principle is that we shouldn't be heavily reliant on the federal government for all of our needs or heavily reliant on the federal government to take care of our lives.

Lastly, if the majority of Americans in multiple polls were in favor of re-segregating society (hypothetically), would that be considered centrist?

[riskllama]

I think it's fair to make an argument that the death penalty isn't an extreme viewpoint. Point taken, I resend that point.

lolwut capital punishment is literally the most extreme form of justice a state/organization/person can mete out.

a closed mouth gathers no foot, Jar Jar...

[mookiemcgee]

I think it's fair to make an argument that the death penalty isn't an extreme viewpoint. Point taken, I resend that point.

lolwut capital punishment is literally the most extreme form of justice a state/organization/person can mete out.

a closed mouth gathers no foot, Jar Jar...

I think he mean opposing the death penalty isn't extreme... but yes many would argue being for it is indeed an extreme position.

[mookiemcgee]

What other Socialist policies have been a net positive in the scope of the US?

Medicare. Medicare and social security are by FAR the biggest two by dollars, and they are both very very popular programs among Americans.

Unemployment insurance has it's problems, but it's also kept the American economy afloat through the first few months of the pandemic.

Would you call Biden a far leftist for supporting medicare and social security and unemployment insurance? These are socialist ideas/programs, and many republicans would never vote against them, does that make them far left too?

[mookiemcgee]

Lastly, if the majority of Americans in multiple polls were in favor of re-segregating society (hypothetically), would that be considered centrist?

I think it would have to stretch to more than a simple majority. If say 80% of Americans supported re-segregating society(roughly the amount that support Social Security), then yes I would consider it a centrist opinion in America at the time it happened. I think it's a really hard hypothetical to take seriously right now because the actual number is probably sub 5%(who would support re-segregation, that's just a guess). To get to 80%, the circumstances in this country would have to be VERY VERY different from where they are now.

In the late 1700's, it would have probably been a centrist position in America (I have no real knowledge that is the case but that's all I can up with for when there might have been 80%+ of america that would have been pro seg)

[Jdsizzleslice]

Medicare. Medicare and social security are by FAR the biggest two by dollars, and they are both very very popular programs among Americans.

Unemployment insurance has it's problems, but it's also kept the American economy afloat through the first few months of the pandemic.

Would you call Biden a far leftist for supporting medicare and social security and unemployment insurance? These are socialist ideas/programs, and many republicans would never vote against them, does that make them far left too?

No, I would say support of these programs in and of itself is not far left. The rhetoric of Medicare for All is.

The distinction I make is the all portion, not the medicare portion. I would say Medicare is needed for some people (my viewpoint here is that some means a fewer amount of people than currently on it), but shouldn't be made for all. A public option I don't think would be beneficial. I think that we have a complex system that does need some sort of structural change but a public option isn't the way to go. The Affordable Care Act attempted to go in this direction and ultimately failed and made the healthcare system more complicated.

I think it would have to stretch to more than a simple majority. If say 80% of Americans supported re-segregating society(roughly the amount that support Social Security), then yes I would consider it a centrist opinion in America at the time it happened. I think it's a really hard hypothetical to take seriously right now because the actual number is probably sub 5%(who would support re-segregation, that's just a guess). To get to 80%, the circumstances in this country would have to be VERY VERY different from where they are now.

In the late 1700's, it would have probably been a centrist position in America (I have no real knowledge that is the case but that's all I can up with for when there might have been 80%+ of america that would have been pro seg)

That's fair. I was just using that as a pure hypothetical example. I could have used getting out of Afghanistan, the phrase "All Lives Matter," 2A issues, etc. I just used re-segregation because it is a polarizing topic, as is socialist policies are (although not as polarizing, I'll admit).

[jimboston]

I think it's fair to make an argument that the death penalty isn't an extreme viewpoint. Point taken, I resend that point.

lolwut capital punishment is literally the most extreme form of justice a state/organization/person can mete out.

a closed mouth gathers no foot, Jar Jar...

I think he mean opposing the death penalty isn't extreme... but yes many would argue being for it is indeed an extreme position.

Why do you feel the need to explain for JD?
Is he not capable of explaining his own positions and comments?

[Jdsizzleslice]

I think it's fair to make an argument that the death penalty isn't an extreme viewpoint. Point taken, I resend that point.

lolwut capital punishment is literally the most extreme form of justice a state/organization/person can mete out.

a closed mouth gathers no foot, Jar Jar...

I think he mean opposing the death penalty isn't extreme... but yes many would argue being for it is indeed an extreme position.

Why do you feel the need to explain for JD?
Is he not capable of explaining his own positions and comments?

Mookie was correct (see reddened portion). It's not my personal opinion, but I can understand why some people would be opposed to the death penalty.

[Dukasaur]

The case against the death penalty seems pretty clear. Given that the police have a record of charging the wrong man, it's crucial that the window stays open to right the wrong. Killing the suspect throws away that chance. It's true that there are scumbags who deserve to die, but letting them live (and life in jail is not exactly a picnic in the park) is the lesser of two evils.

[Jdsizzleslice]

The case against the death penalty seems pretty clear. Given that the police have a record of charging the wrong man, it's crucial that the window stays open to right the wrong. Killing the suspect throws away that chance. It's true that there are scumbags who deserve to die, but letting them live (and life in jail is not exactly a picnic in the park) is the lesser of two evils.

I'm not going to argue that people aren't wrongfully charged or convicted, but every person in the US that is placed on death row has the right to appeal or writ of habeas corpus (which can take years, or often very many years to complete). People who are convicted with the death penalty aren't immediately killed.

Not to mention that being charged with a crime does not equal being convicted for that crime. There is a much significantly less chance of someone being wrongfully convicted than being wrongfully charged. The courts decide (not police) who is guilty and who is innocent, meaning that the courts decide whether or not the police's charge was correct or incorrect.

I would disagree with your premise that the lesser of two evils is life in prison.

[jimboston]

I think it's fair to make an argument that the death penalty isn't an extreme viewpoint. Point taken, I resend that point.

lolwut capital punishment is literally the most extreme form of justice a state/organization/person can mete out.

a closed mouth gathers no foot, Jar Jar...

I think he mean opposing the death penalty isn't extreme... but yes many would argue being for it is indeed an extreme position.

Why do you feel the need to explain for JD?
Is he not capable of explaining his own positions and comments?

Mookie was correct (see reddened portion). It's not my personal opinion, but I can understand why some people would be opposed to the death penalty.

My question was to Mookie, asking him why he needed to answer for you.

Now my question is for you... why do you feel the need to answer for Mookie?
Do you feel he’s incapable of defending his own actions?

[2dimes]

I think it's fair to make an argument that the death penalty isn't an extreme viewpoint. Point taken, I resend that point.

lolwut capital punishment is literally the most extreme form of justice a state/organization/person can mete out.

a closed mouth gathers no foot, Jar Jar...

I think he mean opposing the death penalty isn't extreme... but yes many would argue being for it is indeed an extreme position.

Why do you feel the need to explain for JD?
Is he not capable of explaining his own positions and comments?

Mookie was correct (see reddened portion). It's not my personal opinion, but I can understand why some people would be opposed to the death penalty.

My question was to Mookie, asking him why he needed to answer for you.

Now my question is for you... why do you feel the need to answer for Mookie?
Do you feel he’s incapable of defending his own actions?

I think he wanted to mention that Mook was right when he answered for jdsizz.

[mookiemcgee]

lolwut capital punishment is literally the most extreme form of justice a state/organization/person can mete out.

a closed mouth gathers no foot, Jar Jar...

I think he mean opposing the death penalty isn't extreme... but yes many would argue being for it is indeed an extreme position.

Why do you feel the need to explain for JD?
Is he not capable of explaining his own positions and comments?

Mookie was correct (see reddened portion). It's not my personal opinion, but I can understand why some people would be opposed to the death penalty.

My question was to Mookie, asking him why he needed to answer for you.

Now my question is for you... why do you feel the need to answer for Mookie?
Do you feel he’s incapable of defending his own actions?

I think he wanted to mention that Mook was right when he answered for jdsizz.

HOW DARE YOU ANSWER FOR ME 2DIMES, I'M OUTRAGED! I'M CAPABLE OF DEFENDING MY OWN ACTIONS!!!!

[Jdsizzleslice]

I think he mean opposing the death penalty isn't extreme... but yes many would argue being for it is indeed an extreme position.

Why do you feel the need to explain for JD?
Is he not capable of explaining his own positions and comments?

Mookie was correct (see reddened portion). It's not my personal opinion, but I can understand why some people would be opposed to the death penalty.

My question was to Mookie, asking him why he needed to answer for you.

Now my question is for you... why do you feel the need to answer for Mookie?
Do you feel he’s incapable of defending his own actions?

I think he wanted to mention that Mook was right when he answered for jdsizz.

HOW DARE YOU ANSWER FOR ME 2DIMES, I'M OUTRAGED! I'M CAPABLE OF DEFENDING MY OWN ACTIONS!!!!

I think Mookie that 2dimes wanted to mention that I was right that you were right when you answered for me.

[2dimes]

I think he mean opposing the death penalty isn't extreme... but yes many would argue being for it is indeed an extreme position.

Why do you feel the need to explain for JD?
Is he not capable of explaining his own positions and comments?

Mookie was correct (see reddened portion). It's not my personal opinion, but I can understand why some people would be opposed to the death penalty.

My question was to Mookie, asking him why he needed to answer for you.

Now my question is for you... why do you feel the need to answer for Mookie?
Do you feel he’s incapable of defending his own actions?

I think he wanted to mention that Mook was right when he answered for jdsizz.

HOW DARE YOU ANSWER FOR ME 2DIMES, I'M OUTRAGED! I'M CAPABLE OF DEFENDING MY OWN ACTIONS!!!!

I think Mookie that 2dimes wanted to mention that I was right that you were right when you answered for me.

I thought I was answering for jd. Are you trying to jump the que?