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UK tells US to shove it

Postby mrswdk on Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:18 am

Protectionist bullies America have spent a lot of time huffing and puffing and trying to force other countries to join their bullying of Huawei, only to be told in no uncertain terms by the UK to cram it with walnuts because everyone else likes Huawei:

US, 27 January 2020 wrote:U.S. President Donald Trump has warned British Prime Minister Boris Johnson of “serious consequences” if he allows the Chinese telecom giant Huawei a role in building Britain’s 5G phone network, according to officials on both sides of the Atlantic.


https://www.voanews.com/europe/us-warns ... 5g-network

UK, 28 January 2020 wrote:The UK government has decided to allow Huawei to continue to be in its 5G networks but with restrictions.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51283059
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Re: UK tells US to shove it

Postby KoolBak on Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:46 am

Next thing ya know, they'll be throwing our tea in the bay. Oh nos.
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Re: UK tells US to shove it

Postby mrswdk on Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:49 am

Newt Gingrich, a Republican and former Speaker of the US House of Representatives, described it as a "strategic defeat" for his country.

"British decision to accept Huawei for 5G is a major defeat for the United Statees. How big does Huawei have to get and how many countries have to sign with Huawei for the US government to realize we are losing the internet to China? This is becoming an enormous strategic defeat."


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Re: UK tells US to shove it

Postby NomadPatriot on Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:25 am

The UK's top cyber officials have warned that Huawei has poor cybersecurity and that its processes are opaque, even as it's greenlit for 5G

- UK prime minister Boris Johnson has defied President Trump to permit Huawei to provide equipment for the country's 5G networks.

- Even as the UK allows Huawei into "non-core" parts of the 5G network, its cybersecurity service warned that Huawei is a high-risk vendor who could be at the behest of the Chinese government.

- The UK's National Cyber Security Centre wrote: "Our experience has shown that Huawei's cybersecurity and engineering quality is low and its processes opaque."

- Huawei is banned from supplying equipment for sensitive parts of the network, and its presence in the "non-core" part is capped at 35%.


…. Still, Huawei's presence in the UK's mobile networks has caused growing concern. BT began removing Huawei equipment from the "core" part of its mobile networks in 2019.

Dr Ian Levy, technical director of the NCSC, wrote in a blogpost on Tuesday: "We've never 'trusted' Huawei and the artefacts you can see (like the Huawei Cyber Security Evaluation Centre (HCSEC) and the oversight board reports) exist because we treat them differently to other vendors."


https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-warns-huawei-cybersecurity-poor-5g-2020-1
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Re: UK tells US to shove it

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:20 am

This is all because of millenials and their addiction to idiot videos. There'd be no need for 5G or even 4G, if the internet was being used for text and spreadsheets and simple graphs. Even 3G was a highly debatable "advance", and all this needless tech is for idiots who need to photograph their own turds and post them to the world, and watch idiot videos.

I don't wish for us all to end up in Chinese concentration camps. But if it does happen, I won't be blaming Huawei -- they're just doing what comes naturally, making money off people's stupidity. I won't be blaming Boris Johnson, either -- he's doing what an elected leader is supposed to do, and giving the public what they demand. I'll be blaming the kid at work who insists on watching "Punk'd" when he's supposed to be working.
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Re: UK tells US to shove it

Postby mrswdk on Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:36 am

Dukasaur wrote:This is all because of millenials and their addiction to idiot videos. There'd be no need for 5G or even 4G, if the internet was being used for text and spreadsheets and simple graphs. Even 3G was a highly debatable "advance", and all this needless tech is for idiots who need to photograph their own turds and post them to the world, and watch idiot videos.

I don't wish for us all to end up in Chinese concentration camps. But if it does happen, I won't be blaming Huawei -- they're just doing what comes naturally, making money off people's stupidity. I won't be blaming Boris Johnson, either -- he's doing what an elected leader is supposed to do, and giving the public what they demand. I'll be blaming the kid at work who insists on watching "Punk'd" when he's supposed to be working.


lol, classic boomer humour

5G is also pretty important for the future of autonomous vehicles, drones, the internet of things and other functional/infrastructure uses.
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Re: UK tells US to shove it

Postby NomadPatriot on Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:51 pm

There are too many 5G health risks to not raise awareness of the dangers of installing so many of these new small tower devices. Some of the health risks besides increased cancer rates include; cardiovascular issues, reproductive problems, autoimmune disorders, chronic stress and fatigue, as well as Anxiety and Depression.

5G Radiation Dangers – 11 Reasons To Be Concerned


#1 – A Denser Soup of Electrosmog
We’re going to be bombarded by really high frequencies at low, short-range intensities creating a yet more complicated denser soup of electrosmog – as this diagram shows.

Source: Latest on 5G Spectrum – EMFields Ltd.
To work with the higher range MMW in 5G, the antennas required are smaller. Some experts are talking about as small as 3mm by 3mm. The low intensity is for efficiency and to deal with signal disruption from natural and man-made obstacles.

#2 – Effects on the Skin
The biggest concern is how these new wavelengths will affect the skin. The human body has between two million to four million sweat ducts. Dr. Ben-Ishai of Hebrew University, Israel explains that our sweat ducts act like “an array of helical antennas when exposed to these wavelengths,” meaning that we become more conductive. A recent New York study which experimented with 60GHz waves stated that “the analyses of penetration depth show that more than 90% of the transmitted power is absorbed in the epidermis and dermis layer.”
The effects of MMWs as studied by Dr. Yael Stein of Hebrew University is said to also cause humans physical pain as our nociceptors flare up in recognition of the wave as a damaging stimuli. So we’re looking at possibilities of many skin diseases and cancer as well as physical pain to our skin.

#3 – Effects on the Eyes
A 1994 study found that low level millimeter microwave radiation produced lens opacity in rats, which is linked to the production of cataracts.
An experiment conducted by the Medical Research Institute of Kanazawa Medical University found that 60GHz “millimeter-wave antennas can cause thermal injuries of varying types of levels. The thermal effects induced by millimeterwaves can apparently penetrate below the surface of the eye.”
A 2003 Chinese study has also found damage to the lens epithelial cells of rabbits after 8 hours of exposure to microwave radiation and a 2009 study conducted by the College of Physicians and Surgeons in Pakistan conclude that EMFs emitted by a mobile phone cause derangement of chicken embryo retinal differentiation.

#4 – Effects On The Heart
A 1992 Russian study found that frequencies in the range 53-78GHz (that which 5G proposes to use) impacted the heart rate variability (an indicator of stress) in rats. Another Russian study on frogs who’s skin was exposed to MMWs found heart rate changes (arrhythmias).

#5 – Immune System Effects
A 2002 Russian study examined the effects of 42HGz microwave radiation exposure on the blood of healthy mice. It was concluded that “the whole-body exposure of healthy mice to low-intensity EHF EMR has a profound effect on the indices of nonspecific immunity”.

#6 – Effects on Cell Growth Rates
A 2016 Armenian study observed MMWs at low intensity, mirroring the future environment brought about by 5G. Their study conducted on E-coli and other bacteria stated that the waves had depressed their growth as well as “changing properties and activity” of the cells. The concern is that it would do the same to human cells.

#7 – Effects on Bacteria Resistance
The very same Armenian study also suggested that MMWs effects are mainly on water, cell plasma membrane and genome too. They had found that MMW’s interaction with bacteria altered their sensitivity to “different biologically active chemicals, including antibiotics.” More specifically, the combination of MMW and antibiotics showed that it may be leading to antibiotic resistance in bacteria.
This groundbreaking finding could have a magnum effect on the health of human beings as the bandwidth is rolled out nationwide. The concern is that we develop a lower resistance to bacteria as our cells become more vulnerable – and we become more vulnerable.

#8 – Effects on Plant Health
One of the features of 5G is that the MMW is particularly susceptible to being absorbed by plants and rain. Humans and animals alike consume plants as a food source. The effects MMW has on plants could leave us with food that’s not safe to consume.
Think GMOs on steroids. The water that falls from the sky onto these plants will also be irradiated. A 2010 study on aspen seedlings showed that the exposure to radio frequencies led to the leaves showing necrosis symptoms.

Another Armenian study found that MMWs of low intensity “invoke(s) peroxidase isoenzyme spectrum changes of wheat shoots.” Peroxidase is a stress protein existing in plants. Indications are that 5G will be particularly harmful to plants – perhaps more so than to humans.

#9 – Effects on the Atmosphere and Depletion of Fossil Fuels
Implementation of the 5G global wireless network requires the launching of rockets to deploy satellites to emit 5G radiation. These satellites have a short lifespan which would require a lot more deployment than what we’re currently seeing. A new type of hydrocarbon rocket engine expected to power a fleet of suborbital rockets would emit black carbon which “could cause potentially significant changes in the global atmospheric circulation and distributions of ozone and temperature” according to a 2010 Californian study. Solid state rocket exhaust contains chlorine which also destroys the ozone.
The effects on the ozone are thought to be worse than current day CFC exposure.
Google’s Project Loon is said to bring Internet to rural and hard-to-access areas by using helium balloons. But these balloons only have a 10-month lifespan. We’re looking at a lot of helium being used here, more than what we can possibly have on Earth?

#10 – Disruption of the Natural Ecosystem
Since the year 2000, there have been reports of birds abandoning their nests as well as health issues like “plumage deterioration, locomotion problems, reduced survivorship and death,” says researcher Alfonso Balmori. Bird species that are affected by these low levels, non-ionizing microwave radiation are the House Sparrows, Rock Doves, White Storks, Collared Doves and Magpies, among others.
But it’s not just the birds. The declining bee population is also said to be linked to this non-ionizing EMF radiation. It reduces the egg-laying abilities of the queen leading to a decline in colony strength.
A study conducted by Chennai’s Loyola College in 2012 concluded that out of 919 research studies carried out on birds, plants, bees and other animals and humans, 593 of them showed impacts from RF-EMF radiations. 5G will be adding to the effects of this electrosmog.

#11 – Most 5G Radiation Studies Mis-Leading
5G will use pulsed millimeter waves to carry information. But as Dr. Joel Moskowitz points out, most 5G studies are misleading because they do not pulse the waves. This is important because research on microwaves already tells us how pulsed waves have more profound biological effects on our body compared to non-pulsed waves. Previous studies, for instance, show how pulse rates of the frequencies led to gene toxicity and DNA strand breaks.

https://www.electricsense.com/5g-radiation-dangers/
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Re: UK tells US to shove it

Postby mrswdk on Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:13 pm

NomadPatriot wrote:There are too many 5G health risks to not raise awareness of the dangers of installing so many of these new small tower devices.


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