Did you have corporal punishment in your school?

[ConfederateSS]

------At my Catholic School...HELL YES!!!! ...
-------Here are some sweet NUNS.....
1)...Remember The Nuns making kids EAT ,yes eat Ivory soap bars when they swore...
2)...The Nuns were master swordsmen with yard sticks and rulers...I remember in 6th grade on Dec. 7th, my teacher asked me what TODAY was?...My response , "THOSE JAP BASTARDS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR",before I could blink, The Nun busted a yard stick across my mouth, cut my upper lip...I just grabbed some tissues put them on my face and sat down...No soap though...
3)...My 5th grade teacher would hit kids in the head with erasers ,if she saw them sleeping...I am talking BILLY THE KID couldn't out draw this NUN...Head down,BOOM ERASER TO THE BACK OF THE HEAD WITH A WHITE PUFF OF CHALK DUST CLOUD OVER THE KID...IT WAS SWEET TO SEE AND FUNNY... ...THE GOOD OLD DAYS ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...But I love that story in the news a few years ago in Atlanta...Where a kid forgot her glasses and the teacher wrote ,"I will not forget my glasses" ,on the kid's forehead in permanent black marker...

[Thorthoth]

------At my Catholic School...HELL YES!!!! ...
-------Here are some sweet NUNS.....
1)...Remember The Nuns making kids EAT ,yes eat Ivory soap bars when they swore...
2)...The Nuns were master swordsmen with yard sticks and rulers...I remember in 6th grade on Dec. 7th, my teacher asked me what TODAY was?...My response , "THOSE JAP BASTARDS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR",before I could blink, The Nun busted a yard stick across my mouth, cut my upper lip...I just grabbed some tissues put them on my face and sat down...No soap though...
3)...My 5th grade teacher would hit kids in the head with erasers ,if she saw them sleeping...I am talking BILLY THE KID couldn't out draw this NUN...Head down,BOOM ERASER TO THE BACK OF THE HEAD WITH A WHITE PUFF OF CHALK DUST CLOUD OVER THE KID...IT WAS SWEET TO SEE AND FUNNY... ...THE GOOD OLD DAYS ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...But I love that story in the news a few years ago in Atlanta...Where a kid forgot her glasses and the teacher wrote ,"I will not forget my glasses" ,on the kid's forehead in permanent black marker...

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The publishing industry is in need of original designers such as yourself, unfettered by stale convention.

[LiveLoveTeach]

Summary: Blame parents for being shitty parents. Can't expect a teacher to do a parents job.

I'd have to agree with this. It all starts at home. If there are no rules or boundaries at home, then the child will ignore the rules and boundaries put in place at school. There needs to be consistency between home and school, to help foster a better learning environment at both places.

[Thorthoth]

Summary: Blame parents for being shitty parents. Can't expect a teacher to do a parents job.

I'd have to agree with this. It all starts at home. If there are no rules or boundaries at home, then the child will ignore the rules and boundaries put in place at school. There needs to be consistency between home and school, to help foster a better learning environment at both places.

If those damn no-good parents would beat their kids more, then LLT wouldn't have to work so hard knocking some sense into them at her Deathly Hateful Teaching job.
Sure bossing the kids around and punishing them sounded fun at first but now she's just tired of it and would just rather have more time to goosestep around CC banning and censoring players.

[jimboston]

I went to a catholic school, this was in the 70's and 80's.

They didn't have a formal corporal punishment policy, but the Nuns would whack you if you mouthed off.
I was slapped hard across the face a couple times, not regularly.

I remember the first time I was slapped across the face. I went home and told my mother, expecting her to be pissed... maybe call the school.
Jim: "Mom, Sister Margaret Philip Marie Antonia slapped me today."
Mom: "What did you do to deserve it?"
Additional punishment followed.

Lesson, don't tell mom if the nun slaps you because you'll just get more punishment.

There was only one "lay" teacher (non-nun or brother) who I ever saw use corporal punishment.
He would whack kids hands with a yardstick.

Turned out he was a drunk. In 7th Grade most of us were not smart enough to figure out why he was always out on Mondays and why he always smelled so bad. He got fired about 2-3 months into the school year. He was pretty brutal with the yardstick.

[jimboston]

- Half ass work. This is something I think you need to take up to their manager or take that shit to court. If you entered a contract to where it says something along the lines of the contractor fulfilling a specific job and the requirements needed, they need to be able to fulfill that. Don't blame a generation because you have had a bad experience with someone doing half ass work. Report him, get him written up, something. I'm with you on hating people who are incompetent or half ass their job, but I don't sit idly by and complain about it, I want the fucker to do their job right and if they can't, I'll find someone else that will.

This is kinda off topic...

I do think (or anecdotally it seems) like this latest generation to come of age is a bit lazy.

I agree with the ideas behind your solution to this... it's not always as easy as you say to hold them accountable.

Do you own a house? Have you ever had to deal with a bad contractor?

Most of these guys don't have "bosses"... no one higher to appeal to.

... and when things start going sideways it's not always apparent. Some shoddy workmanship doesn't show up till much later after the jobs been done for a long time.

Yeah you have a contract and can sue... but good luck with that. You pay someone $2500 to do something. It seems fine at first. So you pay. 6 months later it fails. Go take them to court. You're never getting your money back and even if you "win" you often have to go back to court to get them to actually do the repair or give the refund. It's just a big cluster f**k.

... again off topic.

Though it's kinda related in the sense that the laws and court system don't hold people accountable for crappy work any more than some parents and our school systems hold kids accountable.

[waauw]

This is kinda off topic...

I do think (or anecdotally it seems) like this latest generation to come of age is a bit lazy.

[jimboston]

This is kinda off topic...

I do think (or anecdotally it seems) like this latest generation to come of age is a bit lazy.

He lost me when he said "it's the company's responsibility" to fix this generation.

Wrong.

Yes... it's a "bad" generation... (at least I think so)...

but there are good people within it who are hard workers, who don't expect handouts, and who don't fall victim to "millenial" norms.

The generation is made up of individuals.

It's each individual's own responsibility to fix themselves.
They can get help... from work, from family, from friends.
... but line it's individual responsibility.

[waauw]

This is kinda off topic...

I do think (or anecdotally it seems) like this latest generation to come of age is a bit lazy.

He lost me when he said "it's the company's responsibility" to fix this generation.

Wrong.

Yes... it's a "bad" generation... (at least I think so)...

but there are good people within it who are hard workers, who don't expect handouts, and who don't fall victim to "millenial" norms.

The generation is made up of individuals.

It's each individual's own responsibility to fix themselves.
They can get help... from work, from family, from friends.
... but line it's individual responsibility.

You have to look at the context of his words. There is a cultural shift among the millenials and even among those who come afterwards and are still in school. It is not the job of the people to adapt to company culture, it's the job of the companies to adapt to local culture. And so now, with a cultural shift occuring, it is only normal that companies should shift with them or be left behind.

Imagine chinese companies imposing their own cultural values in the west whenever they open a new branch here, or the other way around; it simply would not work. This same principle doesn't only count across geography, but also across changing times. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask companies to adapt to the way newer generations think.

It is not surprising there is a rise of SJW's. It's not surprising social and environmental awareness are growing. Because these values are simply part of the millenial generation, and they are transpiring into the workplace.

[mrswdk]

Right. People who want to thrive adapt to new realities, rather than trying to impose their own reality.

Also, the idea that ‘young people’ are all [insert pejorative] is such nonsense. The only people who go around saying things like that are old people who've long since ceased to have any regular interaction with younger people.

[ConfederateSS]

Right. People who want to thrive adapt to new realities, rather than trying to impose their own reality.

Also, the idea that ‘young people’ are all [insert pejorative] is such nonsense. The only people who go around saying things like that are old people who've long since ceased to have any regular interaction with younger people.

-------Maybe in China......But here in the USA it is the OLD PEOPLE, who pay for the young people to.....:
Sit on their asses
Drink ,smoke pot all day
Have kids by 10 different partners
Their medical care,Also,when it should be the young paying into SS
-------God bless A wasteland ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[jimboston]

The only people who go around saying things like that are old people who've long since ceased to have any regular interaction with younger people.

Bah Humbug!

Now get off my grass.

[jimboston]

You have to look at the context of his words. There is a cultural shift among the millenials and even among those who come afterwards and are still in school. It is not the job of the people to adapt to company culture, it's the job of the companies to adapt to local culture. And so now, with a cultural shift occuring, it is only normal that companies should shift with them or be left behind.

Imagine chinese companies imposing their own cultural values in the west whenever they open a new branch here, or the other way around; it simply would not work. This same principle doesn't only count across geography, but also across changing times. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask companies to adapt to the way newer generations think.

It is not surprising there is a rise of SJW's. It's not surprising social and environmental awareness are growing. Because these values are simply part of the millenial generation, and they are transpiring into the workplace.

Yah, I stopped listening.

I understand (and I guess) I agree that companies need to adapt.
This is probably good for the long term.

... but I also think that on the short term the leading edge of this generation is risking failure and looking like losers.

I suppose it's good to have ideals, and dreams, and goals... and it's good to expect a lot from the company you work for and be open to looking for better companies and better opportunities. Meanwhile though, it doesn't hurt to put in a little hard work.

I think you (he) is right in some sense... that a portion of this newer generation expects more, and that's fine.

I also think that a portion of this newer generation is just "entitled", and doesn't associate hard work with goals and rewards.

Ultimately we will see...

[mrswdk]

Whereas there is no portion of people above the age of 30 who are entitled