S-400

[armati]

@Bernie

https://youtu.be/7gmZKkbkWps
US Boosts Defense Spending – To What End?

A 6 min new vid for you, details the US military position.
You were saying the americans are the strongest, bestus, yadda yadda, gung ho ,ra ra

If its so strong why do the neocons want a trillion dollars to up grade?

Take 6 mins, double dog dare ya. lol

[Dukasaur]

@Bernie

https://youtu.be/7gmZKkbkWps
US Boosts Defense Spending – To What End?

A 6 min new vid for you, details the US military position.
You were saying the americans are the strongest, bestus, yadda yadda, gung ho ,ra ra

If its so strong why do the neocons want a trillion dollars to up grade?

Take 6 mins, double dog dare ya. lol

Good video, although it's not the full answer.

[Symmetry]

There's a good critique of Rex Tillerson and the Trump administration's approach to foreign policy in the New Yorker this month.

It's worth a read, although it is pretty damning.

Rex Tillerson at the Breaking Point

[GoranZ]

Reality is that there are already counter-measures making the S 400 only partially effective.

What's the big deal? The S-400 is decades old, and by no means top technology anymore. To assume the americans have nothing that can beat the S-400 defense system, is ludicrous.

The high demand says differently.

One more thing, American Military in a conventional war would wipe any Russian attack.

Nazi's had similar supremacy, Napolen's France also. Both were crushed to submission.

Russia is in decline. Population is declining and a economy on par with Italy.

You really need to update your data, Russia GDP Growth for Q2 2017 is 2.5%. Italy's debt is one of the worlds biggest in the world, Russian one is the opposite lowest in the world.

Don't forget their overdependance on oil and gas. Europe and Asia are slowly turning towards electric cars, a future that could turn the Russian economy into a train wreck.

Russia doesn't have huge reserves(ranked 8-th) of oil but the exploitation is quite high(ranked 1-st). Russia will practically deplete majority of its oil reserves before 2030 so they dont have to worry about the upcoming electric cars.
When it comes to the gas... That will stay for very long time.

[Bernie Sanders]

Russia's future is bleak indeed.


https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/05/there-is-little-reason-to-be-cheerful-about-russias-growth-prospects

The fact Russia has avoided a financial crisis is remarkable – and largely due to the efforts of the Central Bank of Russia. Indeed, Elvira Nabiullina, the CBR’s governor, has twice won international central banker of the year awards.

But the burden of adjustment has largely fallen on consumers, owing to a roughly 50% drop in the ruble’s value relative to the dollar; real wages and consumption both fell sharply. As one Russian put it to me, he used to take 1,000 rubles to the supermarket and come home with two bags; now he comes home with one.

The shock to the real economy has been severe, with Russia suffering a decline in output in 2015 and 2016 comparable to what the United States experienced during its 2008-2009 financial crisis, with the contraction in GDP totalling about 4%. Many firms went bankrupt, and in 2016 the International Monetary Fund estimated that almost 10% of all bank loans were non-performing (a figure that surely understates the severity of the situation).


Yes Goran, Countries are buying cheap products from Russia, just like Americans buy cheap products from Walmart. You want quality furniture, shoes or other products, you go elsewhere.

You want quality military products you buy from America, Sweden, Germany and France.

[Bernie Sanders]

@Bernie

https://youtu.be/7gmZKkbkWps
US Boosts Defense Spending – To What End?

A 6 min new vid for you, details the US military position.
You were saying the americans are the strongest, bestus, yadda yadda, gung ho ,ra ra

If its so strong why do the neocons want a trillion dollars to up grade?

Take 6 mins, double dog dare ya. lol

Sorry Armanti, you are barking up the wrong tree, now go play fetch with someone else. Never said I'm for a HUGE increase in military expenditures.....We certainly did not need a 54 Billion dollar increase for our military, as our military is bloated already with enough conventional weapons to wipe out any threat to America.

Americans are not really in fear of Russia's military, but Russia's neighbors should be.


American politicians are bought and sold by the Industrial Military Complex.

[waauw]

The high demand says differently.

The nations you mentioned are all militaristically backward. There is a reason Russia is prepared to sell the S-400. It's because they have the S-500 now.

Don't forget their overdependance on oil and gas. Europe and Asia are slowly turning towards electric cars, a future that could turn the Russian economy into a train wreck.

Russia doesn't have huge reserves(ranked 8-th) of oil but the exploitation is quite high(ranked 1-st). Russia will practically deplete majority of its oil reserves before 2030 so they dont have to worry about the upcoming electric cars.
When it comes to the gas... That will stay for very long time.

Natural gas will face the same problems. It will continue to be used for many decades still, but in a world that is slowly moving away from fossil fuels. Same issue, minus cars. Russia needs to step up its game and remodernize its other industries or it's going to meet an inevitable decline.

Personally I'm under the impression it's not going to happen under Putin.

[GoranZ]

The fact Russia has avoided a financial crisis is remarkable – and largely due to the efforts of the Central Bank of Russia. Indeed, Elvira Nabiullina, the CBR’s governor, has twice won international central banker of the year awards.

US tried to brake Russian economy, obviously it failed. As a result Russians will be much more aggressive now

Yes Goran, Countries are buying cheap products from Russia, just like Americans buy cheap products from Walmart. You want quality furniture, shoes or other products, you go elsewhere.

You want quality military products you buy from America, Sweden, Germany and France.

Russian armament sometimes is not the most technological advanced one but in almost any case they ares doing the job quite effectively and are cheep for purchase and maintenance. This is why everyone likes them

[Bernie Sanders]

The fact Russia has avoided a financial crisis is remarkable – and largely due to the efforts of the Central Bank of Russia. Indeed, Elvira Nabiullina, the CBR’s governor, has twice won international central banker of the year awards.

US tried to brake Russian economy, obviously it failed. As a result Russians will be much more aggressive now

Yes Goran, Countries are buying cheap products from Russia, just like Americans buy cheap products from Walmart. You want quality furniture, shoes or other products, you go elsewhere.

You want quality military products you buy from America, Sweden, Germany and France.

Russian armament sometimes is not the most technological advanced one but in almost any case they ares doing the job quite effectively and are cheep for purchase and maintenance. This is why everyone likes them

After the severe drop in oil and gas prices, Russia suffered a severe recession and now Russia is coming back from a slight boost in energy prices. . The embargo imposed by Europe and America is hurting Russia, that's why The Russian Foreign Minister was playing nice with our Putin sucking President.

S 400 is over rated and will be if not now obsolete. Russia can not compete against America's technological prowess. Also, anyone with a higher education is fleeing Russia. Wonder why?

[armati]

bernie, you are exactly what the US government luvs.
Totally blind and gung ho.
Anyone that takes the time to look will see Russian equipment blows everything else away.

I gave examples of the navy, american ships get rammed by frieghters they build Zumwalts.
Russian subs are known as black holes by nato...they cant be seen.
nobody elses have the same attribute.
Check the armata tank compare it to the us stuff.
Air force?
Nothing the states has comes close, easy to check.
ant air and missile, nothing comes close to the s 400, s 500 is in the works.
Heck even the Russian nukes are better, they have hypersonic antimissle avoiding stuff, it would take only 2 to eliminate the entire eastern seaboard.
Do we need mention an emp that could take out the american power grids?
if that happens estimates are over 90% casualties within 1 year.

THATS WHAT THE AMERICANS ARE SO SCARED N KOREA MAY HAVE.

The US is run by Zionist neocons, they are preassuring for war all over the world, why? for profit.

They absolutely luv guys like you that are so brainwashed you can not see reality.

Everything I have said you can confirm if you want.
go to utube, there are copious amounts of vids pertaining to the worlds military equipment.

The ONLY advantage the americans might have is #s.
Ya think the #s game that was used with Sherman tanks to kill Tiger tanks will work now?

Remember? The Tigers can kill 6 of our Shermans to every Tiger we kill.....ok, we will build 7.
Will that thinking work today?


Anyway, no big deal Bernie, nutin personal, lotsa yanks have patriotic blindness.
My daughters aunt is married to a guy that flys for the yanks, f series stuff.
I have a brother livin in LA, he served with the yanks.

Again, nutin personal, sometimes I just get tired of the gung ho "lets all go die for banks" stuff.
best to ya

[Bernie Sanders]

bernie, you are exactly what the US government luvs.
Totally blind and gung ho.
Anyone that takes the time to look will see Russian equipment blows everything else away.

I gave examples of the navy, american ships get rammed by frieghters they build Zumwalts.
Russian subs are known as black holes by nato...they cant be seen.
nobody elses have the same attribute.
Check the armata tank compare it to the us stuff.
Air force?
Nothing the states has comes close, easy to check.
ant air and missile, nothing comes close to the s 400, s 500 is in the works.
Heck even the Russian nukes are better, they have hypersonic antimissle avoiding stuff, it would take only 2 to eliminate the entire eastern seaboard.
Do we need mention an emp that could take out the american power grids?
if that happens estimates are over 90% casualties within 1 year.

THATS WHAT THE AMERICANS ARE SO SCARED N KOREA MAY HAVE.

The US is run by Zionist neocons, they are preassuring for war all over the world, why? for profit.

They absolutely luv guys like you that are so brainwashed you can not see reality.

Everything I have said you can confirm if you want.
go to utube, there are copious amounts of vids pertaining to the worlds military equipment.

The ONLY advantage the americans might have is #s.
Ya think the #s game that was used with Sherman tanks to kill Tiger tanks will work now?

Remember? The Tigers can kill 6 of our Shermans to every Tiger we kill.....ok, we will build 7.
Will that thinking work today?


Anyway, no big deal Bernie, nutin personal, lotsa yanks have patriotic blindness.
My daughters aunt is married to a guy that flys for the yanks, f series stuff.
I have a brother livin in LA, he served with the yanks.

Again, nutin personal, sometimes I just get tired of the gung ho "lets all go die for banks" stuff.
best to ya

Do you make things up as you go?

The Russian battle tank is rated 5th in the world.

Here's some fun facts about today's battle tanks around the world.

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/top_10_main_battle_tanks.htm

Me being gung ho? Where have I ever advocated being a world policeman?

I want our men and women to leave the Middle East! We no longer need their oil and gas thank you. In a few more years America will be self-sufficient in energy. Let the Chinese and Europeans shed their blood and treasures for the oil.

[armati]

The guys you show do have an opinion.

Chinese Team Wins Competition in Tank Biathlon
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Check the vids on u tube, the armata is next generation, the next step for it is no crew at all.

If the guys you post are correct, how do you explain the Chinese winning that competition?
At least armour technology lists the chinese in their top list.

In any case, you have to do your own research.

No argument tho, those are wicked war machines.

[GoranZ]

The high demand says differently.

The nations you mentioned are all militaristically backward. There is a reason Russia is prepared to sell the S-400. It's because they have the S-500 now.

Don't forget their overdependance on oil and gas. Europe and Asia are slowly turning towards electric cars, a future that could turn the Russian economy into a train wreck.

Russia doesn't have huge reserves(ranked 8-th) of oil but the exploitation is quite high(ranked 1-st). Russia will practically deplete majority of its oil reserves before 2030 so they dont have to worry about the upcoming electric cars.
When it comes to the gas... That will stay for very long time.

Natural gas will face the same problems. It will continue to be used for many decades still, but in a world that is slowly moving away from fossil fuels. Same issue, minus cars. Russia needs to step up its game and remodernize its other industries or it's going to meet an inevitable decline.

Yes its obvious the Russians have S-500 now(nobody believes they are still working on ti ), thus they are selling S-400. But although S-400 is not the best Russians have its still quite capable weapon.
When it comes to Remodernization of Russian industry I think the Russians are well aware of this also. I think they are starting some steps towards this also(Northern sea route is one of them for example). Sanctions generally forced them to make very efficient moves when it comes to everything so on a long run they will do more good then bad. A lot to be done ahead of them tho.

Personally I'm under the impression it's not going to happen under Putin.

Im not sure how long Putin will stay in power tho, till 2018 or till 2024. Eather way a lot of things need to be done correctly in the next 15-20 years from Russian government.

[waauw]

Im not sure how long Putin will stay in power tho, till 2018 or till 2024. Eather way a lot of things need to be done correctly in the next 15-20 years from Russian government.

Let's hope so. Economic theory states countries grow closer to eachother the more they mutually trade and the more they arrive to the same level of development. It's what I hope for euro-russian relations, only possible if Russia reinvigorates its industry.

[Thorthoth]

And then, there's the power of 409...

[GoranZ]

Im not sure how long Putin will stay in power tho, till 2018 or till 2024. Eather way a lot of things need to be done correctly in the next 15-20 years from Russian government.

Let's hope so. Economic theory states countries grow closer to eachother the more they mutually trade and the more they arrive to the same level of development. It's what I hope for euro-russian relations, only possible if Russia reinvigorates its industry.

Russia working closely with EU is win-win situation. I doubt there is anyone in the world that can depute this. But I cant see willingness in EU leadership to do a lot when it comes to the abandoning of the sanctions. And Russia is more and more drifting away from EU and turning their eyes towards Asia.

[waauw]

Im not sure how long Putin will stay in power tho, till 2018 or till 2024. Eather way a lot of things need to be done correctly in the next 15-20 years from Russian government.

Let's hope so. Economic theory states countries grow closer to eachother the more they mutually trade and the more they arrive to the same level of development. It's what I hope for euro-russian relations, only possible if Russia reinvigorates its industry.

Russia working closely with EU is win-win situation. I doubt there is anyone in the world that can depute this. But I cant see willingness in EU leadership to do a lot when it comes to the abandoning of the sanctions. And Russia is more and more drifting away from EU and turning their eyes towards Asia.

Actually Angela Merkel has already expressed wishes to lower sanctions. The problem is countries like Poland that simply hate Russia regardless.
And let's be honest here, but Russia supporting far right movements and the anti-EU rhetoric hasn't helped things either.

[GoranZ]

Im not sure how long Putin will stay in power tho, till 2018 or till 2024. Eather way a lot of things need to be done correctly in the next 15-20 years from Russian government.

Let's hope so. Economic theory states countries grow closer to eachother the more they mutually trade and the more they arrive to the same level of development. It's what I hope for euro-russian relations, only possible if Russia reinvigorates its industry.

Russia working closely with EU is win-win situation. I doubt there is anyone in the world that can depute this. But I cant see willingness in EU leadership to do a lot when it comes to the abandoning of the sanctions. And Russia is more and more drifting away from EU and turning their eyes towards Asia.

Actually Angela Merkel has already expressed wishes to lower sanctions. The problem is countries like Poland that simply hate Russia regardless.
And let's be honest here, but Russia supporting far right movements and the anti-EU rhetoric hasn't helped things either.

Yes seems like only the Germans are trying the most but their long term profit will be the greatest.
Russians are generally insulted by the whole situation with Ukraine so they are trying to do the same to EU/US.

As a side note. Popularity of S-400 vs its US counterpart THAAD can be seen even here on CC. S-400 thread has 10 times more views and post then THAAD thread. Are you reading this Bernie Sanders?

[Bernie Sanders]

Im not sure how long Putin will stay in power tho, till 2018 or till 2024. Eather way a lot of things need to be done correctly in the next 15-20 years from Russian government.

Let's hope so. Economic theory states countries grow closer to eachother the more they mutually trade and the more they arrive to the same level of development. It's what I hope for euro-russian relations, only possible if Russia reinvigorates its industry.

Russia working closely with EU is win-win situation. I doubt there is anyone in the world that can depute this. But I cant see willingness in EU leadership to do a lot when it comes to the abandoning of the sanctions. And Russia is more and more drifting away from EU and turning their eyes towards Asia.

Actually Angela Merkel has already expressed wishes to lower sanctions. The problem is countries like Poland that simply hate Russia regardless.
And let's be honest here, but Russia supporting far right movements and the anti-EU rhetoric hasn't helped things either.

Yes seems like only the Germans are trying the most but their long term profit will be the greatest.
Russians are generally insulted by the whole situation with Ukraine so they are trying to do the same to EU/US.

As a side note. Popularity of S-400 vs its US counterpart THAAD can be seen even here on CC. S-400 thread has 10 times more views and post then THAAD thread. Are you reading this Bernie Sanders?

Are you saying CC posters are more likely to have S 400 instead of THAAD missile launchers in their backyard?

[Dukasaur]

Im not sure how long Putin will stay in power tho, till 2018 or till 2024. Eather way a lot of things need to be done correctly in the next 15-20 years from Russian government.

Let's hope so. Economic theory states countries grow closer to eachother the more they mutually trade and the more they arrive to the same level of development. It's what I hope for euro-russian relations, only possible if Russia reinvigorates its industry.

Russia working closely with EU is win-win situation. I doubt there is anyone in the world that can depute this. But I cant see willingness in EU leadership to do a lot when it comes to the abandoning of the sanctions. And Russia is more and more drifting away from EU and turning their eyes towards Asia.

Actually Angela Merkel has already expressed wishes to lower sanctions. The problem is countries like Poland that simply hate Russia regardless.
And let's be honest here, but Russia supporting far right movements and the anti-EU rhetoric hasn't helped things either.

Yes seems like only the Germans are trying the most but their long term profit will be the greatest.
Russians are generally insulted by the whole situation with Ukraine so they are trying to do the same to EU/US.

As a side note. Popularity of S-400 vs its US counterpart THAAD can be seen even here on CC. S-400 thread has 10 times more views and post then THAAD thread. Are you reading this Bernie Sanders?

Are you saying CC posters are more likely to have S 400 instead of THAAD missile launchers in their backyard?

I ran out of beer and had to pawn my S-400.

[GoranZ]

As a side note. Popularity of S-400 vs its US counterpart THAAD can be seen even here on CC. S-400 thread has 10 times more views and post then THAAD thread. Are you reading this Bernie Sanders?

Are you saying CC posters are more likely to have S 400 instead of THAAD missile launchers in their backyard?

You want THAAD missile launchers in your backyard?
Can someone help him get his rockets

And one Tesla for me plz
Thank you very much