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US Admiral Would Nuke China

Postby GoranZ on Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:57 pm

The commander of the United States Pacific Fleet said Thursday that he would launch a nuclear strike on China if President Donald Trump ordered it.
"The answer would be: Yes," Adm. Scott Swift said, responding to a hypothetical question at a security conference at the Australian National University, according to ABC News.
"Every member of the US military has sworn an oath to defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic and to obey the officers and the president of the United States as commander and chief appointed over us," Swift said.

US Admiral Would Nuke China at Trump's Order (And It's Not a Joke)

This one is not normal, he is totally fucked up in his head.
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Re: US Admiral Would Nuke China

Postby mookiemcgee on Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:09 pm

What's so crazy about a general saying he would obey a command from a superior officer?
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Re: US Admiral Would Nuke China

Postby riskllama on Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:35 pm

um yeah, that's his job. let's just hope that idiot doesn't call it.
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Re: US Admiral Would Nuke China

Postby GoranZ on Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:42 pm

mookiemcgee wrote:What's so crazy about a general saying he would obey a command from a superior officer?

Once that red button is pressed, the world as we all know it will probably not exist any more. Which normal person is prepared to be responsible for such outcome?

Story from the cold war(There few other like this one, but luckily there was always one person who stood between total destruction)
In July of 1962, Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev agreed to Cuba’s request to place nuclear missiles in Cuba as a deterrent to future US interference, pursuant to the Bay of Pigs invasion debacle a few years earlier. In mid-October, a US reconnaissance airplane produced evidence of medium and long range Soviet ballistic missiles on the site, sending alarm bells ringing in Washington DC.

US President John F. Kennedy promptly established a military blockade to prevent further missiles from entering Cuba and demanded that the missiles be dismantled and returned to the Soviet Union. Over the following days the world came close to the brink of nuclear war as the two blocks vigorously asserted their positions.

Nobody realized at the time just how close to disaster they really were. And that’s where Arkhipov would make his decisive contribution to world history.

Arkhipov was second-in-command in the nuclear-armed Foxtrot-class submarine B-59, part of a flotilla of four submarines protecting Soviet ships on their way to Cuba. On October 27, as they approached the US imposed quarantine line, US Navy ships in pursuit started dropping depth charges to force the B-59 to surface for identification – completely unaware that it was carrying nuclear weapons.

The explosions rocked the submarine which went dark except for emergency lights. With the air-conditioning down, temperature and carbon dioxide levels rose sharply. The crew was hardly able to breathe.

Unable to contact Moscow and under pressure from the Americans for several hours, Captain Valentin Savitsky finally lost his nerve. He assumed that war had broken out between the two countries and decided to launch a nuclear torpedo. He would not go down without a fight.

However, unlike the other submarines in the flotilla, the three officers onboard the B-59 had to agree unanimously to launch the nuclear torpedo. As the other officer sided with Savitsky, only Arkhipov stood in the way of launching World War III.

An argument broke out between the three, but Arkhipov was able to convince the Captain not to launch the torpedo. How was he able to prevail under such stressful conditions? He was actually in charge of the entire flotilla and as such was equal in rank to Savitsky. But the reputation he had gained during the K-19 incident may have been the decisive factor in convincing the other officers to abort the launch. That detail may have made all the difference.

The submarine eventually surfaced and awaited orders from Moscow, averting what would have been a nuclear holocaust. The Cuban Missile Crisis ended a few days later.

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Re: US Admiral Would Nuke China

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:06 am

mookiemcgee wrote:What's so crazy about a general saying he would obey a command from a superior officer?

riskllama wrote:um yeah, that's his job. let's just hope that idiot doesn't call it.


You can disobey a direct order if it's immoral or a risk to your personal or your team/squad/platoon/company/etc. safety. Can't promise that whoever denies the order wouldn't be replaced by some yes man.
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Re: US Admiral Would Nuke China

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:00 am

DirtyDishSoap wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:What's so crazy about a general saying he would obey a command from a superior officer?

riskllama wrote:um yeah, that's his job. let's just hope that idiot doesn't call it.


You can disobey a direct order if it's immoral or a risk to your personal or your team/squad/platoon/company/etc. safety. Can't promise that whoever denies the order wouldn't be replaced by some yes man.



Exactly. That's the trouble with any hierarchical organization -- if you refuse an illegal or immoral command, they'll just toss you out and get somebody else.
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Re: US Admiral Would Nuke China

Postby mookiemcgee on Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:51 pm

So yes I agree with you both in the above... the fact is we don't know what anyone would do unless they are actually in a given situation, regardless of their stated intentions before a given crisis actually arises. But is it really "crazy" for someone in this mans shoes to answer "yes i would follow the command of a superior' when addressing the press? I'm just saying this was a hypothetical, and any answer besides the one he gave probably would have led to his removal from the position. So in my humble opinion I don't think he did anything wrong here or crazy in answering a somewhat unspecific hypothetical this way.
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Re: US Admiral Would Nuke China

Postby Cade Weston on Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:25 pm

Anyhow, I don't think that Trump is crazy enough to start a nuclear war. He's crazy but not that crazy.
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Re: US Admiral Would Nuke China

Postby GoranZ on Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:52 am

The biggest problem with irresponsible military personal like the US admiral is that the opponents dont want to risk and they develop nuclear and rocket weapons on their own.

North Koreans already have experimental rocket that can hit continental US, and they have nuclear warheads. The biggest question is for how long those rockets will remain experimental?
North Korea: ICBM test could have reached U.S. mainland

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