Manchester explosion

[mrswdk]

Don't they teach you folks not to use Wikipedia as source material?

Religious Foundations of Suicide Bombings

Doesn't trust information accredited to multiple Ivy League psychology experts because 'it's on Wikipedia', trusts a far right conservative think tank whose president believes Barack Obama is a Muslim.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I don't trust information from a criminalogy major with no psychiatric experience. And if we're going to use your goofy Wikipedia article, here's this that you choose not to include.

Studies of who becomes a suicide attacker and what motivates them have often come to different conclusions. According to Riaz Hassan, "apart from one demographic attribute – that the majority of suicide bombers tend to be young males – the evidence has failed to find a stable set of demographic, psychological, socioeconomic and religious variables that can be causally linked to suicide bombers’ personality or socioeconomic origins." Scott Atran agrees: "In targeting potential recruits for suicide terrorism, it must be understood that terrorist attacks will not be prevented by trying to profile terrorists. They are not sufficiently different from everyone else. Insights into homegrown jihadi attacks will have to come from understanding group dynamics, not individual psychology. Small-group dynamics can trump individual personality to produce horrific behavior in otherwise ordinary people." Reasons vary greatly, and are different in the case of each individual. Fanaticism (nationalist or religious, or both), results from brain-washing, negative experiences regarding “the enemy”, the lack of a perspective in life. Suicides want to hurt or kill their targets because they hold them responsible for all bad things that has happened to them or in the world or simply just because they want to escape misery and poverty.

Good job.

[mrswdk]

Suicides want to hurt or kill their targets because they hold them responsible for all bad things that has happened to them or in the world or simply just because they want to escape misery and poverty.

Sounds exactly like Columbine, Charleston etc.

Anyway, I thought you said suicide bombers wanted to spread Islam. Now you're saying that suicide bombers are just upset and looking for someone to take it out on? Glad to see you have moved roughly 70% of the way towards agreeing with me. This afternoon we can take care of the other 30%.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Well now I'm just firmly reminded that I can't take you seriously in any matter.

Studies of who becomes a suicide attacker and what motivates them have often come to different conclusions. According to Riaz Hassan, "apart from one demographic attribute – that the majority of suicide bombers tend to be young males – the evidence has failed to find a stable set of demographic, psychological, socioeconomic and religious variables that can be causally linked to suicide bombers’ personality or socioeconomic origins." Scott Atran agrees: "In targeting potential recruits for suicide terrorism, it must be understood that terrorist attacks will not be prevented by trying to profile terrorists. They are not sufficiently different from everyone else. Insights into homegrown jihadi attacks will have to come from understanding group dynamics, not individual psychology. Small-group dynamics can trump individual personality to produce horrific behavior in otherwise ordinary people." Reasons vary greatly, and are different in the case of each individual.Fanaticism (nationalist or religious, or both), results from brain-washing, negative experiences regarding “the enemy”, the lack of a perspective in life. Suicides want to hurt or kill their targets because they hold them responsible for all bad things that has happened to them or in the world or simply just because they want to escape misery and poverty.

The middle east is pretty damn poor. Just saying. So in a poverty stricken nation, when it's ran religiously, and that religion promises a wealthy afterlife if you die for your God, what do you think people will do?

Anywho, further arguing this is getting nowhere. You're not going to read or watch any of the material provided, you're just trying to troll.

[mrswdk]

If by 'material provided' you mean the article written by a bunch of far right loonies who think Obama is a Muslim and who donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Geert Wilders then no.

If by 'material provided' you mean the information quoted in the Wiki article then there's still nothing in there which says jihadis are rational people simply trying to spread their religion. Even in the text you quoted it sounds like they're just unstable, vulnerable people who have been given a way to top themselves while feeling like they're being kinda cool by doing so. Kinda like the kids who shot up Columbine, Charleston etc.

[BoganGod]

Well now I'm just firmly reminded that I can't take you seriously in any matter.

Studies of who becomes a suicide attacker and what motivates them have often come to different conclusions. According to Riaz Hassan, "apart from one demographic attribute – that the majority of suicide bombers tend to be young males – the evidence has failed to find a stable set of demographic, psychological, socioeconomic and religious variables that can be causally linked to suicide bombers’ personality or socioeconomic origins." Scott Atran agrees: "In targeting potential recruits for suicide terrorism, it must be understood that terrorist attacks will not be prevented by trying to profile terrorists. They are not sufficiently different from everyone else. Insights into homegrown jihadi attacks will have to come from understanding group dynamics, not individual psychology. Small-group dynamics can trump individual personality to produce horrific behavior in otherwise ordinary people." Reasons vary greatly, and are different in the case of each individual.Fanaticism (nationalist or religious, or both), results from brain-washing, negative experiences regarding “the enemy”, the lack of a perspective in life. Suicides want to hurt or kill their targets because they hold them responsible for all bad things that has happened to them or in the world or simply just because they want to escape misery and poverty.

The middle east is pretty damn poor. Just saying. So in a poverty stricken nation, when it's ran religiously, and that religion promises a wealthy afterlife if you die for your God, what do you think people will do?

Anywho, further arguing this is getting nowhere. You're not going to read or watch any of the material provided, you're just trying to troll.

The middle east isn't poor. Parts of the middle east are pretty damn wealthy, sadly the antiquated feudal monarchies or dictatorships(both propped up by cynical uncle Sam) don't give two damns about their people. Income inequality is massive, a fraction of a percentage of the population shit on gold toilets, whilst their countrymen wipe their arses with a stone. Conspicuous consumption coupled with rampant commercialism is a great recipe for outrage. I agree that those that feel powerless feel that dramatic and final decisions are the only way they can be heard. I blame the great american satan.

[mrswdk]

Parts of the middle east are pretty damn wealthy, sadly the antiquated feudal monarchies or dictatorships(both propped up by cynical uncle Sam) don't give two damns about their people. Income inequality is massive, a fraction of a percentage of the population shit on gold toilets, whilst their countrymen wipe their arses with a stone. Conspicuous consumption coupled with rampant commercialism is a great recipe for outrage. I agree that those that feel powerless feel that dramatic and final decisions are the only way they can be heard. I blame the great american satan.

Incidentally, the level of income inequality in Saudi Arabia is pretty much a mirror image of the level of income inequality in the States.

[BoganGod]

Parts of the middle east are pretty damn wealthy, sadly the antiquated feudal monarchies or dictatorships(both propped up by cynical uncle Sam) don't give two damns about their people. Income inequality is massive, a fraction of a percentage of the population shit on gold toilets, whilst their countrymen wipe their arses with a stone. Conspicuous consumption coupled with rampant commercialism is a great recipe for outrage. I agree that those that feel powerless feel that dramatic and final decisions are the only way they can be heard. I blame the great american satan.

Incidentally, the level of income inequality in Saudi Arabia is pretty much a mirror image of the level of income inequality in the States.

I know that like me, english is your second language. Still no excuse for such a glaring mistake. Coincidentally........... Womba you disgrace your ancestors by losing face infront of the modern day version of the british opium selling demons. The afghan poppy slinging americans.

[mookiemcgee]

Parts of the middle east are pretty damn wealthy, sadly the antiquated feudal monarchies or dictatorships(both propped up by cynical uncle Sam) don't give two damns about their people. Income inequality is massive, a fraction of a percentage of the population shit on gold toilets, whilst their countrymen wipe their arses with a stone. Conspicuous consumption coupled with rampant commercialism is a great recipe for outrage. I agree that those that feel powerless feel that dramatic and final decisions are the only way they can be heard. I blame the great american satan.

Incidentally, the level of income inequality in Saudi Arabia is pretty much a mirror image of the level of income inequality in the States.

I know that like me, english is your second language. Still no excuse for such a glaring mistake. Coincidentally........... Womba you disgrace your ancestors by losing face infront of the modern day version of the british opium selling demons. The afghan poppy slinging americans.

Yeah they would be way better off if we left them alone. Just look at how low income inequality is in sub Saharan Africa. No wealth = no inequality! They may have to live in mud huts, and die of curable diseases... but at least they are happy right?

[riskllama]

lol, mook - who do you think is exploiting Africa's resources? oil and mining companies. silly mook...

[mookiemcgee]

lol, mook - who do you think is exploiting Africa's resources?

The Chinese.

[riskllama]

white, yellow, whatever...point is, they are def. not black africans...

[DirtyDishSoap]

The middle east isn't poor. Parts of the middle east are pretty damn wealthy, sadly the antiquated feudal monarchies or dictatorships(both propped up by cynical uncle Sam) don't give two damns about their people. Income inequality is massive, a fraction of a percentage of the population shit on gold toilets, whilst their countrymen wipe their arses with a stone. Conspicuous consumption coupled with rampant commercialism is a great recipe for outrage. I agree that those that feel powerless feel that dramatic and final decisions are the only way they can be heard. I blame the great american satan.

Out of the two that I've been to, and the fellow that went to Pakistan for about a month, I'd say those parts are very, very reserved for the wealthy. So when the majority of the populace lives in poverty, that nation can be considered both poor and dictatorial.
Although I'll agree that, yeah, our fault. Trained them to fight the good ol' Russians back in the 80's, put Saddam in power, a lot of this is our fault. I will not concede the fact though, that these recent attacks are carried out with a religious motive. Think it's asinine to believe otherwise.

[riskllama]

[BoganGod]

lol, mook - who do you think is exploiting Africa's resources? oil and mining companies. silly mook...

Africa is lovely to test contaminated polio vaccines, flu shots, etc. Using porcine product as ballast,..... belgiums and dutch are great at treating black people reasonably. Tintin is not an accident, is social commentary.

[Bernie Sanders]

lol, mook - who do you think is exploiting Africa's resources? oil and mining companies. silly mook...

Africa is lovely to test contaminated polio vaccines, flu shots, etc. Using porcine product as ballast,..... belgiums and dutch are great at treating black people reasonably. Tintin is not an accident, is social commentary.

Can we have someone here translate this gibberish?

[BoganGod]

lol, mook - who do you think is exploiting Africa's resources? oil and mining companies. silly mook...

Africa is lovely to test contaminated polio vaccines, flu shots, etc. Using porcine product as ballast,..... belgiums and dutch are great at treating black people reasonably. Tintin is not an accident, is social commentary.

Can we have someone here translate this gibberish?

Dutch and Belgiums are Bad and RACIST. They have tested and used known faulty vaccines in Africa, most recently in the Congo. They also have a history of using vaccines using pork products in muslim countries(maybe flemish speakers have a sense of humour after all.). Tintin(a belgium cartoon) has massively racist tropes about Africans. I'm suggesting this typical of belgium thought, rather than an isolated case. Happy to help your senile mind process things a little easier.

[Symmetry]

Medical ethics is a weird subject. Edward Jenner practically the eradication of smallpox from the world, which kinda makes him a hero. But he tested his vaccine on a kid, to see if it would work. That is- he gave a kid smallpox to see if his vaccine would fight it.

On 14 May 1796, Jenner tested his hypothesis by inoculating James Phipps, an eight-year-old boy who was the son of Jenner's gardener. He scraped pus from cowpox blisters on the hands of Sarah Nelmes, a milkmaid who had caught cowpox from a cow called Blossom,[27] whose hide now hangs on the wall of the St George's medical school library (now in Tooting). Phipps was the 17th case described in Jenner's first paper on vaccination.[28]
Jenner inoculated Phipps in both arms that day, subsequently producing in Phipps a fever and some uneasiness, but no full-blown infection. Later, he injected Phipps with variolous material, the routine method of immunization at that time. No disease followed. The boy was later challenged with variolous material and again showed no sign of infection.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Jenner

Nowadays, the guy is a hero, because his work saved a lot of lives. Sometimes when I look at how he got there though, I think of Nietzsche (the real one), that sometimes, when fighting monsters, you should beware of becoming a monster yourself.

[riskllama]

[Symmetry]

Hmm, apparently I'll have to ask the advice of my parents before I listen.

[riskllama]

headphones, sym...