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US admits Syria war crimes

Postby mrswdk on Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:40 am

The US has admitted carrying out an attack in eastern Syria that killed dozens of Syrian forces fighting so-called Islamic State (IS).

The US-led coalition said the "mistake" on 17 September was intended to target IS positions.

Coalition aircraft from the UK, US, Denmark and Australia were involved in the attack.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38149963

You know the USG's got its back pressed fairly firmly against the wall when it publicly acknowledges its evil doing, rather than simply brushing it under the carpet.

How many more admissions can we expect between now and Warmonger-in-Chief Obama being replaced?
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Re: US admits Syria war crimes

Postby riskllama on Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:23 pm

a "mistake" is not admitting to war crimes, mrs... :roll:
you always do this...
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Re: US admits Syria war crimes

Postby mrswdk on Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:40 pm

Good point, llama. Whether it's bombing the military of a nation you are not at war with, murdering innocent civilians in drone strikes or simply running over a family of four while driving under the influence, so long as you did it 'by mistake' then there is no reason why you should ever be held criminally liable for your actions.

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Re: US admits Syria war crimes

Postby Bernie Sanders on Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:47 pm

Here's the real "Crime against Humanity"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38143187

America can learn from the nice governments of Russia and Syria.
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Re: US admits Syria war crimes

Postby owenshooter on Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:26 pm

Bernie Sanders wrote:Here's the real "Crime against Humanity"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38143187

America can learn from the nice governments of Russia and Syria.


or china...

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Re: US admits Syria war crimes

Postby Bernie Sanders on Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:16 pm

owenshooter wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:Here's the real "Crime against Humanity"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38143187

America can learn from the nice governments of Russia and Syria.


or china...




Trump will do his best to make sure we can surpass Russia, China and Syria in the nice department.
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Re: US admits Syria war crimes

Postby waauw on Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:31 pm

Bernie Sanders wrote:Here's the real "Crime against Humanity"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38143187

America can learn from the nice governments of Russia and Syria.


Russia gave the people of Aleppo the option to leave before they continued their assault. ISIS blocked hundreds of thousands to leave, using them as a human shield. A humanitarian disaster was unavoidable.
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Re: US admits Syria war crimes

Postby GoranZ on Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:03 pm

Bernie Sanders wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:Here's the real "Crime against Humanity"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38143187

America can learn from the nice governments of Russia and Syria.


or china...




Trump will do his best to make sure we can surpass Russia, China and Syria in the nice department.

Spreading FAKE NEWS? You cant find anything better? Mainstream Media Wants You to Believe that 16,000 Aleppo Citizens Escape from ‘Assad Forces’

Bernie Sanders wrote:Trump will do his best to make sure we can surpass Russia, China and Syria in the nice department.

You started with cheering for Bernie Sanders, then for Hillary and now you are throwing everything on Trump... WHAT A LOOSER :lol:

waauw wrote:Russia gave the people of Aleppo the option to leave before they continued their assault. ISIS blocked hundreds of thousands to leave, using them as a human shield. A humanitarian disaster was unavoidable.

I think that ISIS never had any part of Aleppo, but Al-Qaeda(US ally) has. They wont have it for very long tho.
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Re: The end of Democratic Era

Postby mookiemcgee on Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:26 pm

http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-11-29/democracy-dying

It's not about Trump or Syria... but it's symbolic of why i fear Trump as our president. Call me wrong or call it fake, I don't care. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, I'm just playing the worlds smallest violin over here while the titanic is sinking.
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Re: US admits Syria war crimes

Postby mrswdk on Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:23 am

Excellent point, DY. As the Christian Bible says, all offenses should be punished under the principle of 'an eye for an eye'. If Syria commits an offense against Syrian civilians, the US is entitled to slaughter dozens of non-belligerent Syrian ground forces in reprisal.

As the families of those dead Syrian soldiers can attest, Christianity is a hateful and extreme doctrine and its state backers (America) will stop at nothing in their bloodthirsty enforcement of it.
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Re: US admits Syria war crimes

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:51 pm

Jesus Christ wrote:You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.


In any case, here are the contexts for eye for an eye:

First
“If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. 23“But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.


This is actually a law about abortion and claims that anyone who commits abortions should be put to death.

Fact: Syria is the number nth country in the world for abortions.

Second
“A single witness shall not rise up against a man on account of any iniquity or any sin which he has committed; on the evidence of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed. 16“If a malicious witness rises up against a man to accuse him of wrongdoing, 17then both the men who have the dispute shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges who will be in office in those days. 18“The judges shall investigate thoroughly, and if the witness is a false witness and he has accused his brother falsely, 19then you shall do to him just as he had intended to do to his brother. Thus you shall purge the evil from among you. 20“The rest will hear and be afraid, and will never again do such an evil thing among you. 21“Thus you shall not show pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.


This is actually a law about how false witnesses are to get the punishment they wished upon others.

Fact: All Syrians wish ill-will upon 'Merica and are gonna get got.

Third
Now the son of an Israelite woman, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the sons of Israel; and the Israelite woman’s son and a man of Israel struggled with each other in the camp. 11The son of the Israelite woman blasphemed the Name and cursed. So they brought him to Moses. (Now his mother’s name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan.) 12They put him in custody so that the command of the LORD might be made clear to them.

13Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 14“Bring the one who has cursed outside the camp, and let all who heard him lay their hands on his head; then let all the congregation stone him. 15“You shall speak to the sons of Israel, saying, ‘If anyone curses his God, then he will bear his sin. 16‘Moreover, the one who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall certainly stone him. The alien as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.

‘If a man takes the life of any human being, he shall surely be put to death. 18‘The one who takes the life of an animal shall make it good, life for life. 19‘If a man injures his neighbor, just as he has done, so it shall be done to him: 20fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; just as he has injured a man, so it shall be inflicted on him. 21‘Thus the one who kills an animal shall make it good, but the one who kills a man shall be put to death. 22‘There shall be one standard for you; it shall be for the stranger as well as the native, for I am the LORD your God.’” 23Then Moses spoke to the sons of Israel, and they brought the one who had cursed outside the camp and stoned him with stones. Thus the sons of Israel did, just as the LORD had commanded Moses.


How did the man injure his neighbour? He blasphemed the name of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.

It could just as easily be paraphrased: "if anyone is Syrian and not a Christian, they can say hello to Uncle Sam".
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Re: US admits Syria war crimes

Postby Qwert on Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:00 pm

its only collateral damage, everyone knows that .Blame civilians who live in war zone when America send drones to bombard. Only difference now and in previous US involvement (Vietnam, Iraq, Somalia, Yugoslavia) consider communication technology that entire world are quite connected and everybody can represent quite fast photos and pictures from scene where US drop bomb, so its a little difficulty to make cover up operation, but still US are power country and soldiers are protected from any war trials.
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Re: US admits Syria war crimes

Postby patches70 on Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:33 pm

I don't know anything about deliberate acts of cruelty by the US military, being from the military myself I am skeptical. the US military is a very professional force. We don't do that shit. Isolated cases of certain individuals going bonkers the exception, there is no institutional movement to commit war crimes. The UCMJ is pretty fucking clear and every soldier has decent knowledge of it and the UCMJ will hammer anyone committing such acts.

However, there is the problem of the Constitution. The US has not declared war on Syria. The US has been bombing Syrian positions, territory without the permission of Syria. These are acts of war. Some may claim that the POTUS has the power to do this because of the War Powers Act or the War Power Resolution, except that the US has been committing these acts of war for years and those acts only give power to do such for 60 days.
Then of course there is AUMF (Authorization for Use of Military Force) under which the current acts of war we perpetrate upon Syria on a daily basis is justified legally. The AUMF gave the POTUS the authorization to use whatever force necessary, anywhere in the world, to bring to justice those who perpetrated the 9/11 acts. This was a blank check to go after terrorists. Even though ISIS had nothing to do with 9/11 that I am aware.
The problem with this is that the AUMF has the same time restrictions as the War Resolutions Act. In fact, in section II of the Act it specifically states that the AUMF does not supersede the War Powers Act and thus, the US cannot use the AUMF to justify years upon years of acts of war against Syria.
Not to mention the problem of giving the POTUS a blank check to attack terrorists anywhere in the world without reproach. All a POTUS has to do is label anyone a "terrorist" and then use the AUMF as the legal shielding.

Every bomb dropped in Syria, every attack carried out, every sortie, every covert op are all illegal without a declaration of war from Congress on Syria at this point. Unless someone can direct me to some law or statute that gives the POTUS the power to wage war without a declaration of war from Congress for a period that spans years and even decades. Seriously, if anyone can show me any US law that can be applied here to legally justify dropping bombs on a sovereign nation then please, post it here ITT.
I know we do this shit, I know no one ever gets prosecuted for it or slapped down for ignoring the Constitution on this, but that still doesn't make it right just because no one ever says anything about it.
IMO, the sooner we wash our hands the better off we, Europe and the world will be better off. The Islamist "rebels", once without western support and logistics will be easy pickings for the Russians and the Syrian armed forces and the bloodshed can finally end.


qwert wrote: soldiers are protected from any war trials.

US soldiers aren't "protected" from war trials. The US soldiers are protected from being tried by other countries. The UCMJ will prosecute soldiers committing war crimes and does. It's just that, in general, US soldiers don't go around raping and murdering at will.

Now if you wanna say that the US politicians who enable this war to keep going should be gone after, I'm with ya on that! But the US soldier? No way, the average US soldier doesn't want to commit war crimes, has zero desire to do so. Don't blame them for the impossible situation they are put in by the US politicians.
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